---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/10/09: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:40 AM - IFR Qualifications (Rich Simmons) 2. 05:44 AM - Re: IFR Qualifications (Jay Maynard) 3. 06:06 AM - Re: New Panel Design (Craig Payne) 4. 06:27 AM - Re: IFR Qualifications (Gig Giacona) 5. 06:30 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Pump Requirements on a Low Wing 601 (Ken Lilja) 6. 06:39 AM - Re: IFR Qualifications (Paul Mulwitz) 7. 06:53 AM - Re: IFR Qualifications (Gig Giacona) 8. 09:25 AM - Re: Fuel Pump Requirements on a Low Wing 601 (MHerder) 9. 12:32 PM - Tension gage drawing (LarryMcFarland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:52 AM PST US From: Rich Simmons <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net> Subject: Zenith-List: IFR Qualifications OK guys! A real Airplane question. In layman's terms, what is the minimum equipment needed to make my 601 IFR Capable. The plane is too light for much in the IFR environment but I still would like the capability for those early morning departures. Any descent discussion would be appreciated. Thanks, Rich ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:20 AM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: IFR Qualifications On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:39:26PM +0000, Rich Simmons wrote: > In layman's terms, what is the minimum equipment needed to make my 601 IFR > Capable. See 91.205 for the legal minimums. That's a pretty minimal list, too. You'll want some decent avionics and instruments for the job, as well as a heated pitot (which isn't listed there) and maybe an openable window like AMD puts in the XLi/LSi for you to stick your arm out and scrape ice off the canopy. > The plane is too light for much in the IFR environment but I still would > like the capability for those early morning departures. Don't sell it short...it might be light, but it's pretty stable, and that dfefinitely helps matters. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:36 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New Panel Design Actually the MGL color EFIS all do this but to the SD memory card in the front slot. Since the recorded data can include the location from the internal GPS (in addition to flight and engine data) you can also feed the data to Google Earth for a 3D plot of your flight path. http://www.stratomaster.eu/lignes/mgl/photos/EN_Google.jpg I suspect the new Dynon's will do the same when they ship this year. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Phillips Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:49 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Panel Design Hi Dan Assuming that you are still the Zenith-List's inside guy at Dynon, I'd like to pass along something for the Dynon wish list: I'd really like to see a USB port through which the system could just dump all the data to a USB drive in a CSV format. Then one could use it for a data recorder during Phase I testing. And, in a more solemn vein, it would function as a dirt cheap black box if an accident happened. Is such a thing feasible? Maybe it's already there? Thanks for listening. Terry At 02:20 PM 7/29/2008 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks for the suggestion.. Actually a couple people have suggested I move >them further in.. LOL.. I honestly just randomly taped them to the panel >to show them off. Depending on how things work out, I may start with the >7's and upgrade to a pair of 10's eventually once we release our Com radio >and transponder. ( I won't need the panel space for radios ) > >Why not Grand Rapids? LOL.. Because Dynons are the Best! and the price is >right. ;) > >Just in case anyone out there was wondering how my fuselage just seemed to >have appeared.. I was the person who bought the $1500 deal in Lynnwood, WA >about a week ago. It was right down the road from me, and the workmanship >was excellent. It was just a little more complete than a Quickbuild. > >Dan Lykowski >Dynon Avionics Software Engineer >601XL Terry Phillips ZBAGer ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are done; working on the wings http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:38 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: IFR Qualifications From: "Gig Giacona" The first thing you need to equip your 601 with in order to fly IFR is a sentence like this in the operating limitations. After completion of phase I flight testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only. Without that you could install the panel from a 777 in it and it won't be legal. Then as Jay said look at 91.205. Blue Mountain Avionics has a pretty good document available on the subject here. http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/pdf/IFR%20equipment.pdf -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229524#229524 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:53 AM PST US From: Ken Lilja Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel Pump Requirements on a Low Wing 601 MHerder wrote: For the O-200 the cam is the same but the vacuum pump gear assembly that goes on the cam has a lobe to move an arm on an AC type fuel pump. The cam that has the fuel pump lobe is for an older engine model. Ken Lilja Zenith-List message posted by: "MHerder" > two folks on this threa now have mentioned a "gear" and the cost range has been 850 to 1200. The only mechanical fuel pump that I can find is one that rides on the camshaft. For the o 0 that was originally gravity fed in a o 200 my calculations would include, machining the case to accept thefuel pump, possibly getting a new camshaft (one with the proper lobe) that the fuel pump rides on and possibly a new carb that accepts the increased fuel pressure. This makes the "deal" that I was looking at on the engine not so appealing. I sincerely appreciate everyones input. I think everyone has brought to the table some intersting points. Each comment has very helpful, dual electric, mech and electric, back up battery with dual electric pump all valid options... But is there another geared pump otion that im not aware of? Something that installs to the back accessory case or where the vacuum pump would install? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:22 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: IFR Qualifications Hi Rich, Minimum can be measured in several different ways. If it is minimum cost you are after, then I think an EFIS is the best choice. This gives you a complete gyro and pressure instrument panel in an inexpensive package. It doesn't give you sufficient backup for extended IFR, but you might consider it enough for your needs. You also need some radios suitable to the operations you want to perform. If you go with steam gauges, you will pay a lot more than you will for a non-certified EFIS. I'm not sure exactly how many you need to be legal, but if you don't want to be always on partial panel flying you need a full six pack. For radios, you probably will want a complete VOR/ILS setup along with a certified (panel mounted) GPS. There are many choices of vendors and models in this area, and all will cost you a lot more than a good EFIS. You will have a hard time beating a Garmin SL-30 for NAV/COMM including LOC and GS in a single small package. You still need marker beacons for a complete ILS. With all the GPS approaches being established you probably want a fancy WAAS enabled ILS capable GPS. Of course you will need a transponder, and just about any will do. One area to watch out for is the amount of electrical current you need to power up all this stuff. You may find the alternator in your engine of choice is the limiting factor to your system. This is especially true if you want lights for night operation as well. Good luck, Paul XL getting close do not archive At 04:39 AM 2/10/2009, you wrote: >OK guys! A real Airplane question. > >In layman's terms, what is the minimum equipment needed to make my >601 IFR Capable. > >The plane is too light for much in the IFR environment but I still >would like the capability for those early morning departures. > >Any descent discussion would be appreciated. > > >Thanks, >Rich ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:20 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: IFR Qualifications From: "Gig Giacona" The lightest and lowest power drain IFR you are going to get is a EFIS like the Dynon and an SL30. The SL30 also gives you the advantage of having 2 VORs in one unit because you can see the output of the main VOR freq on Dynon and have the standby VOR freq on the SL30's own LED screen. You can then get you Marker Beacon Read out from this. http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/catalog/marker_receiver.html And while an IFR legal GPS would be great the installation requirements and costs are significant. So if you augment all the legal stuff with something like a Garmin 496 you also have the fully isolated, battery backed, GPS derived, "6 pack" to get you out of the clouds should everything go to hell in a handbag on you. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229534#229534 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:33 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel Pump Requirements on a Low Wing 601 From: "MHerder" Ken Do you know of a continental part number or aftermarket part number for a gear with this lobe? Id sure like to see what one looks like. Anyone know of anyone who can do that sort of machining it should be just drillig a hole in the case and putting two threaded studs in it? Does the carb need to be modified? Different needles or similar? Thanks again! -------- One Rivet at a Time! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229558#229558 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:03 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith-List: Tension gage drawing Hi guys, I finally finished the cable tension gage drawing and put it on the site. Its found within Tools, Jigging & Handling page sub-file /Cable Tools. See link, www.macsmachine.com/html/tjhcabletools.htm I hope this is useful. To print, click to the large image, show only this frame and save it for printing a full 8.5 x 11 image. Have a good one, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.