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1. 05:16 AM - Re: IFR Qualifications (Rich Simmons)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: IFR Qualifications (Ashley)
3. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: IFR Qualifications (jaybannist@cs.com)
4. 06:29 AM - Re: IFR Qualifications (Gig Giacona)
5. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: IFR Qualifications (Dave Covert)
6. 08:06 AM - Zenith-List Qualifications (Beckman, Rick)
7. 08:43 AM - Re: IFR Qualifications (Gig Giacona)
8. 02:22 PM - Fw: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft (jaybannist@cs.com)
9. 02:50 PM - Re: Fw: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft (wade jones)
10. 03:13 PM - Re: Fw: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft (jaybannist@cs.com)
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| Subject: | RE: IFR Qualifications |
Sorry guys, I am a bit hard headed.
I guess my question which is only somewhat answered:
If I were to put in a six pack with a "single" Nav/com am I IFR leagal (Vacum included)?
Compass and Heated Pitot included!
If not, is a handheld GPS good enough for a supplimental/redundant means of full
navigation.
Now, I f I go with a Dynon or the MGL with HSI capability, am I legal using the
GarminSL30!
It also seems that even with the awsome gismos like the EFIS, FAA and common sense
says backup steam gauge is required.
One more question, if I make mine IFR leagal, what is the requirments for testing
the IFR components to be kept IFR legal.
In Certified craft it is annually(?) or what. CAn I prove the components wothiness
or does some one lese have to do it?
I am currently working on my IFR ticket and actuallly see quite of an improvment
in my pilotage. My Navigation is krisper and tholding those headings is a whole
lot easier now. It is actually fun learning something again.
The comments about hard IFR, I would run from it. Having a fog bank I can enter
and break through to the top side and continue on would be absoluelty awsome
and I would be smiling in awe at the break of the blue sky.
I just want to make light IFR an option in some of my desired journey if I ever
get this thing built!!!
Rich
601XL Canopy fitting
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| Subject: | Re: RE: IFR Qualifications |
Try reading FAR 91 sections 171, 205, 215, 411, and 413. These will
list equiptment required and testing requirements.
The FAR 90.205 applies to aircraft with standard airworthiness
certificate.
If flying light IFR in non icing conditions why would pitot heat be
required? My 1965 PA28-180 do not have it.
My 601 XL has a Dynon 180 and Dynon 10 and Garmin 430.
I use the HSI on the Dynon for the VOR and GPS indicator.
Floyd Wilkes
601XL
----- Original Message -----
From: Rich Simmons
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 7:13 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: IFR Qualifications
Sorry guys, I am a bit hard headed.
I guess my question which is only somewhat answered:
If I were to put in a six pack with a "single" Nav/com am I IFR leagal
(Vacum included)?
Compass and Heated Pitot included!
If not, is a handheld GPS good enough for a supplimental/redundant
means of full navigation.
Now, I f I go with a Dynon or the MGL with HSI capability, am I legal
using the GarminSL30!
It also seems that even with the awsome gismos like the EFIS, FAA and
common sense says backup steam gauge is required.
One more question, if I make mine IFR leagal, what is the requirments
for testing the IFR components to be kept IFR legal.
In Certified craft it is annually(?) or what. CAn I prove the
components wothiness or does some one lese have to do it?
I am currently working on my IFR ticket and actuallly see quite of an
improvment in my pilotage. My Navigation is krisper and tholding those
headings is a whole lot easier now. It is actually fun learning
something again.
The comments about hard IFR, I would run from it. Having a fog bank I
can enter and break through to the top side and continue on would be
absoluelty awsome and I would be smiling in awe at the break of the blue
sky.
I just want to make light IFR an option in some of my desired journey
if I ever get this thing built!!!
Rich
601XL Canopy fitting
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| Subject: | Re: RE: IFR Qualifications |
Rich,
Your answer is in 91.319 (Aircraft with experimental certificates) (d) (2) Operate
under VFR, day only, unless otherwise specifically authorized by the Administrator.?
This section does not specify any instrument requirements. However,
if you do fly IFR, the following would certainly apply:
91.205 (for certified aircraft, VFR, day) 1) Airspeed indicator, 1) Altimeter,
3) Magnetic direction iindicator, 4) Tachometer, 5) Oil pressure gauge, 6) Temperature
gauge for liquid-cooled engine, 7) Oil temperature gauge for air-cooled
engine, 8) Manifold pressure gauge for altitude engine, 9) Fuel gauge, 10)
Landing gear position indicator (for retractables);
For IFR, the above plus: Two-way communication and navigation equipment for the
route to be flown, Gyroscopic rate of turn indicator, slip skid indicator, Sensitive
altimeter adjustable for barometric pressure, Clock, Artificial horizon,
Directional gyro.?
Given IFR trainers I have flown, you only need one radio for communication and
one for navigation. This would satisfy a minimum equipment list.? It certainly
isn't a recommended list, which would would include other equipment for redundancy,
ease of operation, pilot workload reduction and safety.
Jay Bannister
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Simmons <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 7:13 am
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: IFR Qualifications
Sorry guys, I am a bit hard headed.
I guess my question which is only somewhat answered:
If I were to put in a six pack with a "single" Nav/com am I IFR leagal (Vacum included)?
Compass and Heated Pitot included!
If not, is a handheld GPS good enough for a supplimental/redundant means of full
navigation.
Now, I f I go with a Dynon or the MGL with HSI capability, am I legal using the
GarminSL30!
It also seems that even with the awsome gismos like the EFIS, FAA and common sense
says backup steam gauge is required.
One more question, if I make mine IFR leagal, what is the requirments for testing
the IFR components to be kept IFR legal.
In Certified craft it is annually(?) or what. CAn I prove the components wothiness
or does some one lese have to do it?
I am currently working on my IFR ticket and actuallly see quite of an improvment
in my pilotage. My Navigation is krisper and tholding those headings is a whole
lot easier now. It is actually fun learning something again.
The comments about hard IFR, I would run from it. Having a fog bank I can enter
and break through to the top side and continue on would be absoluelty awsome
and I would be smiling in awe at the break of the blue sky.
I just want to make light IFR an option in some of my desired journey if I ever
get this thing built!!!
Rich
601XL Canopy fitting
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| Subject: | Re: IFR Qualifications |
Rich,
> If I were to put in a six pack with a "single" Nav/com am I IFR leagal (Vacum
included)?
> Compass and Heated Pitot included!
Yes but the compass is required for VFR as well and the Heated Pitot is not required
at all.
> If not, is a handheld GPS good enough for a supplimental/redundant means of full
navigation.
A handheld GPS does not meet any LEGAL requirements.
> Now, I f I go with a Dynon or the MGL with HSI capability, am I legal using the
GarminSL30!
Yes
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230091#230091
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| Subject: | Re: IFR Qualifications |
> A handheld GPS does not meet any LEGAL requirements.
Except for when your panel goes dark. Then it is legal to use a handheld to
save your bacon and get to the nearest suitable airport or VFR conditions.
For that matter, if you could train a pigeon to fly to VFR or the nearest
suitable airport, tossing it out the window and following it would be legal
too...
(I jest about the pigeon)
Dave
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rich,
>
>
> > If I were to put in a six pack with a "single" Nav/com am I IFR leagal
> (Vacum included)?
> > Compass and Heated Pitot included!
>
>
> Yes but the compass is required for VFR as well and the Heated Pitot is not
> required at all.
>
>
> > If not, is a handheld GPS good enough for a supplimental/redundant means
> of full navigation.
>
>
> A handheld GPS does not meet any LEGAL requirements.
>
>
> > Now, I f I go with a Dynon or the MGL with HSI capability, am I legal
> using the GarminSL30!
>
>
> Yes
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230091#230091
>
>
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| Subject: | Zenith-List Qualifications |
Try this, too....
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: IFR Qualifications |
Please note I limited my answers to Rich's last post to what was LEGAL not what
was a good idea. I did that on purpose.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230114#230114
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| Subject: | Fwd: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur |
Built Aircraft
I think this is an interesting and important read.
Jay Bannister
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From: bakerocb@cox.net
Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 3:07 pm
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft
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2/13/2009?
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Hello Fellow Builders, The information contained on this web page is worthy
of being tucked away in your system in some fashion:?
?
http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/issues/airworthy.asp??
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur |
Built Aircraft
Yes Jay this is a good read .When I was active doing conditional
inspections I always had the owner comply with the ADs issued to the
components .Guess I was wrong ,oh well I think for safety I would still
have them comply with the ADs . I have been busy doing an annual on my
Tripacer .Had to pull the engine on the Sonerai looking for oil leak
(did not find any) must be coming from the engine vent .I should not be
getting much blowby from the vent as the engine has very little time
since I rebuilt it using new piston ect.I bought some engine parts from
a departed friends brother a couple weeks ago and have selling them off
.Will have enough parts left over to build another Cont. 0200 engine.
Will get back on the 601XL when I catch up .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
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Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fwd: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives
& Amateur Built Aircraft
I think this is an interesting and important read.
Jay Bannister
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To: pulsar-builders@caseyk.org; kisbuilders@angus.mystery.com;
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 3:07 pm
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built
Aircraft
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2/13/2009
Hello Fellow Builders, The information contained on this web page is
worthy of being tucked away in your system in some fashion:
http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/issues/airworthy.asp?
Owen C. Baker
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur |
Built Aircraft
Wade,
Do you have an air-oil separator on the Sonerai engine?
Jay
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From: wade jones <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 4:49 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fwd: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur
Built Aircraft
Yes Jay this is a good read .When I was active
doing conditional inspections I always had the owner comply with the ADs issued
to the components .Guess I was wrong ,oh well I think for safety I would still
have them comply with the ADs . I have been busy doing an annual on my Tripacer
..Had to pull the engine on the Sonerai looking for oil leak (did not find any)
must be coming from the engine vent .I should not be getting much blowby from
the vent as the engine has very little time since I rebuilt it using new piston
ect.I bought some engine parts from a departed friends brother a couple weeks
ago and have selling them off .Will have enough parts left over to build another
Cont. 0200 engine. Will get back on the 601XL when I catch up .
Wade? Jones? South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
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From:
jaybannist@cs.com
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:19
PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fwd:
AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft
I think this is an interesting
and important read.
Jay Bannister
-----Original Message-----
From: bakerocb@cox.net
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent:
Fri, 13 Feb 2009 3:07 pm
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness
Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft
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Hello
Fellow Builders, The information contained on this web page is worthy of being
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http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/issues/airworthy.asp??
?
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