---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/13/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:16 AM - Re: IFR Qualifications (Rich Simmons) 2. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: IFR Qualifications (Ashley) 3. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: IFR Qualifications (jaybannist@cs.com) 4. 06:29 AM - Re: IFR Qualifications (Gig Giacona) 5. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: IFR Qualifications (Dave Covert) 6. 08:06 AM - Zenith-List Qualifications (Beckman, Rick) 7. 08:43 AM - Re: IFR Qualifications (Gig Giacona) 8. 02:22 PM - Fw: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft (jaybannist@cs.com) 9. 02:50 PM - Re: Fw: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft (wade jones) 10. 03:13 PM - Re: Fw: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft (jaybannist@cs.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:35 AM PST US From: Rich Simmons <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net> Subject: Zenith-List: RE: IFR Qualifications Sorry guys, I am a bit hard headed. I guess my question which is only somewhat answered: If I were to put in a six pack with a "single" Nav/com am I IFR leagal (Vacum included)? Compass and Heated Pitot included! If not, is a handheld GPS good enough for a supplimental/redundant means of full navigation. Now, I f I go with a Dynon or the MGL with HSI capability, am I legal using the GarminSL30! It also seems that even with the awsome gismos like the EFIS, FAA and common sense says backup steam gauge is required. One more question, if I make mine IFR leagal, what is the requirments for testing the IFR components to be kept IFR legal. In Certified craft it is annually(?) or what. CAn I prove the components wothiness or does some one lese have to do it? I am currently working on my IFR ticket and actuallly see quite of an improvment in my pilotage. My Navigation is krisper and tholding those headings is a whole lot easier now. It is actually fun learning something again. The comments about hard IFR, I would run from it. Having a fog bank I can enter and break through to the top side and continue on would be absoluelty awsome and I would be smiling in awe at the break of the blue sky. I just want to make light IFR an option in some of my desired journey if I ever get this thing built!!! Rich 601XL Canopy fitting ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:23 AM PST US From: "Ashley" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: IFR Qualifications Try reading FAR 91 sections 171, 205, 215, 411, and 413. These will list equiptment required and testing requirements. The FAR 90.205 applies to aircraft with standard airworthiness certificate. If flying light IFR in non icing conditions why would pitot heat be required? My 1965 PA28-180 do not have it. My 601 XL has a Dynon 180 and Dynon 10 and Garmin 430. I use the HSI on the Dynon for the VOR and GPS indicator. Floyd Wilkes 601XL ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Simmons To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 7:13 AM Subject: Zenith-List: RE: IFR Qualifications Sorry guys, I am a bit hard headed. I guess my question which is only somewhat answered: If I were to put in a six pack with a "single" Nav/com am I IFR leagal (Vacum included)? Compass and Heated Pitot included! If not, is a handheld GPS good enough for a supplimental/redundant means of full navigation. Now, I f I go with a Dynon or the MGL with HSI capability, am I legal using the GarminSL30! It also seems that even with the awsome gismos like the EFIS, FAA and common sense says backup steam gauge is required. One more question, if I make mine IFR leagal, what is the requirments for testing the IFR components to be kept IFR legal. In Certified craft it is annually(?) or what. CAn I prove the components wothiness or does some one lese have to do it? I am currently working on my IFR ticket and actuallly see quite of an improvment in my pilotage. My Navigation is krisper and tholding those headings is a whole lot easier now. It is actually fun learning something again. The comments about hard IFR, I would run from it. Having a fog bank I can enter and break through to the top side and continue on would be absoluelty awsome and I would be smiling in awe at the break of the blue sky. I just want to make light IFR an option in some of my desired journey if I ever get this thing built!!! Rich 601XL Canopy fitting ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: IFR Qualifications From: jaybannist@cs.com Rich, Your answer is in 91.319 (Aircraft with experimental certificates) (d) (2) Operate under VFR, day only, unless otherwise specifically authorized by the Administrator.? This section does not specify any instrument requirements. However, if you do fly IFR, the following would certainly apply: 91.205 (for certified aircraft, VFR, day) 1) Airspeed indicator, 1) Altimeter, 3) Magnetic direction iindicator, 4) Tachometer, 5) Oil pressure gauge, 6) Temperature gauge for liquid-cooled engine, 7) Oil temperature gauge for air-cooled engine, 8) Manifold pressure gauge for altitude engine, 9) Fuel gauge, 10) Landing gear position indicator (for retractables); For IFR, the above plus: Two-way communication and navigation equipment for the route to be flown, Gyroscopic rate of turn indicator, slip skid indicator, Sensitive altimeter adjustable for barometric pressure, Clock, Artificial horizon, Directional gyro.? Given IFR trainers I have flown, you only need one radio for communication and one for navigation. This would satisfy a minimum equipment list.? It certainly isn't a recommended list, which would would include other equipment for redundancy, ease of operation, pilot workload reduction and safety. Jay Bannister -----Original Message----- From: Rich Simmons <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net> Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 7:13 am Subject: Zenith-List: RE: IFR Qualifications Sorry guys, I am a bit hard headed. I guess my question which is only somewhat answered: If I were to put in a six pack with a "single" Nav/com am I IFR leagal (Vacum included)? Compass and Heated Pitot included! If not, is a handheld GPS good enough for a supplimental/redundant means of full navigation. Now, I f I go with a Dynon or the MGL with HSI capability, am I legal using the GarminSL30! It also seems that even with the awsome gismos like the EFIS, FAA and common sense says backup steam gauge is required. One more question, if I make mine IFR leagal, what is the requirments for testing the IFR components to be kept IFR legal. In Certified craft it is annually(?) or what. CAn I prove the components wothiness or does some one lese have to do it? I am currently working on my IFR ticket and actuallly see quite of an improvment in my pilotage. My Navigation is krisper and tholding those headings is a whole lot easier now. It is actually fun learning something again. The comments about hard IFR, I would run from it. Having a fog bank I can enter and break through to the top side and continue on would be absoluelty awsome and I would be smiling in awe at the break of the blue sky. I just want to make light IFR an option in some of my desired journey if I ever get this thing built!!! Rich 601XL Canopy fitting ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:50 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: IFR Qualifications From: "Gig Giacona" Rich, > If I were to put in a six pack with a "single" Nav/com am I IFR leagal (Vacum included)? > Compass and Heated Pitot included! Yes but the compass is required for VFR as well and the Heated Pitot is not required at all. > If not, is a handheld GPS good enough for a supplimental/redundant means of full navigation. A handheld GPS does not meet any LEGAL requirements. > Now, I f I go with a Dynon or the MGL with HSI capability, am I legal using the GarminSL30! Yes -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230091#230091 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: IFR Qualifications From: Dave Covert > A handheld GPS does not meet any LEGAL requirements. Except for when your panel goes dark. Then it is legal to use a handheld to save your bacon and get to the nearest suitable airport or VFR conditions. For that matter, if you could train a pigeon to fly to VFR or the nearest suitable airport, tossing it out the window and following it would be legal too... (I jest about the pigeon) Dave On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Gig Giacona wrote: > > Rich, > > > > If I were to put in a six pack with a "single" Nav/com am I IFR leagal > (Vacum included)? > > Compass and Heated Pitot included! > > > Yes but the compass is required for VFR as well and the Heated Pitot is not > required at all. > > > > If not, is a handheld GPS good enough for a supplimental/redundant means > of full navigation. > > > A handheld GPS does not meet any LEGAL requirements. > > > > Now, I f I go with a Dynon or the MGL with HSI capability, am I legal > using the GarminSL30! > > > Yes > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230091#230091 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:28 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith-List Qualifications From: "Beckman, Rick" Try this, too.... Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:58 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: IFR Qualifications From: "Gig Giacona" Please note I limited my answers to Rich's last post to what was LEGAL not what was a good idea. I did that on purpose. DO NOT ARCHIVE -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=230114#230114 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:47 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Fwd: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft From: jaybannist@cs.com I think this is an interesting and important read. Jay Bannister -----Original Message----- From: bakerocb@cox.net Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 3:07 pm Subject: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: ? ? 2/13/2009? ? Hello Fellow Builders, The information contained on this web page is worthy of being tucked away in your system in some fashion:? ? http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/issues/airworthy.asp?? ? Owen C. Baker ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:50 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fwd: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft Yes Jay this is a good read .When I was active doing conditional inspections I always had the owner comply with the ADs issued to the components .Guess I was wrong ,oh well I think for safety I would still have them comply with the ADs . I have been busy doing an annual on my Tripacer .Had to pull the engine on the Sonerai looking for oil leak (did not find any) must be coming from the engine vent .I should not be getting much blowby from the vent as the engine has very little time since I rebuilt it using new piston ect.I bought some engine parts from a departed friends brother a couple weeks ago and have selling them off .Will have enough parts left over to build another Cont. 0200 engine. Will get back on the 601XL when I catch up . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ----- Original Message ----- From: jaybannist@cs.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com ; zenith601-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Fwd: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft I think this is an interesting and important read. Jay Bannister -----Original Message----- From: bakerocb@cox.net To: pulsar-builders@caseyk.org; kisbuilders@angus.mystery.com; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 3:07 pm Subject: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: 2/13/2009 Hello Fellow Builders, The information contained on this web page is worthy of being tucked away in your system in some fashion: http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/issues/airworthy.asp? Owen C. Baker ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fwd: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft From: jaybannist@cs.com Wade, Do you have an air-oil separator on the Sonerai engine? Jay -----Original Message----- From: wade jones Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 4:49 pm Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fwd: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft Yes Jay this is a good read .When I was active doing conditional inspections I always had the owner comply with the ADs issued to the components .Guess I was wrong ,oh well I think for safety I would still have them comply with the ADs . I have been busy doing an annual on my Tripacer ..Had to pull the engine on the Sonerai looking for oil leak (did not find any) must be coming from the engine vent .I should not be getting much blowby from the vent as the engine has very little time since I rebuilt it using new piston ect.I bought some engine parts from a departed friends brother a couple weeks ago and have selling them off .Will have enough parts left over to build another Cont. 0200 engine. Will get back on the 601XL when I catch up . Wade? Jones? South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ----- Original Message ----- From: jaybannist@cs.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Fwd: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft I think this is an interesting and important read. Jay Bannister -----Original Message----- From: bakerocb@cox.net aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 3:07 pm Subject: AeroElectric-List: Airworthiness Directives & Amateur Built Aircraft --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: ? ? 2/13/2009? ? Hello Fellow Builders, The information contained on this web page is worthy of being tucked away in your system in some fashion:? ? http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/issues/airworthy.asp?? ? Owen C. Baker ? 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