---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/22/09: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:04 AM - Still flying? (roger lambert) 2. 09:31 AM - Re: Still flying? (Gig Giacona) 3. 10:10 AM - Re: Fuel Leak (ashontz) 4. 10:54 AM - Re: New Panel Design (Dan Lykowski) 5. 11:57 AM - Re: Fuel Leak (steve) 6. 12:14 PM - Re: Fuel Leak (Elden Jacobson) 7. 01:27 PM - Re: Fuel Leak (John Brumpton) 8. 03:47 PM - Olfa Knife - SEM pictures for the curious builder (bcchurch) 9. 04:07 PM - Re: Olfa Knife - SEM pictures for the curious builder (Larry Winger) 10. 04:21 PM - Re: Olfa Knife - SEM pictures for the curious builder (bcchurch) 11. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Olfa Knife - SEM pictures for the curious builder (Carlos Sa) 12. 06:00 PM - Chat Room reminder for "Digesters" (George Race) 13. 07:29 PM - Re: Olfa Knife - SEM pictures for the curious builder (Ron Lendon) 14. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: Olfa Knife - SEM pictures for the curious builder (ihab.awad@gmail.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:06 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Still flying? From: roger lambert I note that RICHARD LINDSTROM of Kitplanes Magazine is still the registered owner of his 601xl- N42KP as featured in the magazine. Does anyone know of his stand on the design worthiness of the airplane? The final segments of the article have not been included in the Zenithair website? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:03 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Still flying? From: "Gig Giacona" He posts here regularly. A search of Lindstrom should find you any comments he has made on the issue and he has made some. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231506#231506 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:38 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel Leak From: "ashontz" I'm building my tanks now. I actually went ahead and decided on my own to put the sender on top. Glad I did. Just a generic fuel sender from Pep Boys, sender and gauge, $40 total. To mount the sender I made a ring backer plate out of .0125 aluminum and tapped the ring for 10-32 brass machine screws. Also, I cut a notch of of the ring to essentially make it horseshoe shape so that it can be installed through the access hole in the tank that the sender sits in. I install the assembly by using a piece of 12" long all-thread to hold the backer plate in place from the inside while I start to install the sender from the outside. Works really well and would work well for a retrofit for moving the sender to a new location after the fact. [quote="notsew_evets(at)frontiern"]Before I installed my tanks I pressure checked everything and made sure the gauges worked. Go figure, after sitting for a year I finally put fuel in the tanks. The darn things didnt read at all. I guess the time spent without fuel caused the rheostats to corrode or something like that. For whatever reason I had to remove the senders. Each checked out bad. The manufacturer , VDO, is now Continental.... I ve had a very bad time purchasing new senders. Zenith helped by supplying new ones but they were the wrong ones for my gauges....I had to purchase SN 39 senders online. Made for Ford trucks they are the VDO equivalent... This whole story comes down to this: It was such a hassle to remove the senders that I decided to seal off the 59mm holes in the tank ends and go the "old way" by installing the senders on top of the wing... This has been a very good move... If I were to build again, I would be sure to have the senders on top. I have pictures of the "rebuild" if your interested. It took less than a day and I m now happy..... Steve > --- -------- Andy Shontz do not archive CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231515#231515 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:08 AM PST US From: Dan Lykowski Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Panel Design Terry, Sorry I didn't reply sooner.. I filter the Zenith list to its own mail box and I haven/t had time to read it lately. Gen2 will have the ability to write logs to a USB stick. It will also be used for software updates. Dan Lykowski Dynon Avionics ________________________________ From: Terry Phillips Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 11:49:05 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New Panel Design Hi Dan Assuming that you are still the Zenith-List's inside guy at Dynon, I'd like to pass along something for the Dynon wish list: I'd really like to see a USB port through which the system could just dump all the data to a USB drive in a CSV format. Then one could use it for a data recorder during Phase I testing. And, in a more solemn vein, it would function as a dirt cheap black box if an accident happened. Is such a thing feasible? Maybe it's already there? Thanks for listening. Terry At 02:20 PM 7/29/2008 -0700, you wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion.. Actually a couple people have suggested I move them further in.. LOL.. I honestly just randomly taped them to the panel to show them off. Depending on how things work out, I may start with the 7's and upgrade to a pair of 10's eventually once we release our Com radio and transponder. ( I won't need the panel space for radios ) > > Why not Grand Rapids? LOL.. Because Dynons are the Best! and the price is right. ;) > > Just in case anyone out there was wondering how my fuselage just seemed to have appeared.. I was the person who bought the $1500 deal in Lynnwood, WA about a week ago. It was right down the road from me, and the workmanship was excellent. It was just a little more complete than a Quickbuild. > > Dan Lykowski > Dynon Avionics Software Engineer > 601XL Terry Phillips ZBAGer ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are done; working on the wings http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:31 AM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Leak I ll be happy to send you all pictures of how I installed the senders on the top of the fuel tanks. I do have a slight problem. Seems I cant post on matronics. All I can do is reply to your emails. About six months ago I got totally fed up with the website, with all of the wannabies spewing BS. There was much information that was not from actual builders and some of it was down right "off base". Remember the guy who told us to put weights on the trailing edge of the ailerons?... Thats his suggestion on balancing to stop flutter.... I hope things are better now. I m on the Zenith site now. Its for builders and flyers. So far the scoop seems ok.... SW ----- Original Message ----- From: John Brumpton To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Leak Hi Steve Could you please forward some pictures to the list & specify the senders and gauges you used and where they were purchased from at what cost? Thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:01 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Leak Before I installed my tanks I pressure checked everything and made sure the gauges worked. Go figure, after sitting for a year I finally put fuel in the tanks. The darn things didnt read at all. I guess the time spent without fuel caused the rheostats to corrode or something like that. For whatever reason I had to remove the senders. Each checked out bad. The manufacturer , VDO, is now Continental.... I ve had a very bad time purchasing new senders. Zenith helped by supplying new ones but they were the wrong ones for my gauges....I had to purchase SN 39 senders online. Made for Ford trucks they are the VDO equivalent... This whole story comes down to this: It was such a hassle to remove the senders that I decided to seal off the 59mm holes in the tank ends and go the "old way" by installing the senders on top of the wing... This has been a very good move... If I were to build again, I would be sure to have the senders on top. I have pictures of the "rebuild" if your interested. It took less than a day and I m now happy..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Leak List At 78 hrs. my left tank VDO fuel level sender started weeping fuel thru the center wire connector fitting. i am planning to drain the fuel, clean the area with solvent and try to cover the area with proseal to stop the leak. if that does not work i will try to remove the sender thru the access hole. i do not want to remove the tank. has anyone had this problem. any solutions. thanks bobby N131BP 601 XL href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c __________ NOD32 3846 (20090211) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:45 PM PST US From: Elden Jacobson Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Leak Steve, =C2- I'd be delighted to receive such photos; I am at the point of having to mak e basic decisions about the fuel tanks. Thanks=C2-=C2-=C2- eldenej@ya hoo.com --- On Mon, 2/23/09, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Leak =EF=BB #yiv30729176 P { MARGIN:0px;} I ll be happy to send you all pictures of how I installed the senders on th e top of the fuel tanks.=C2- I do have a slight problem.=C2- Seems I ca nt post on matronics.=C2- All I can do is reply to your emails. About six months ago I got totally fed up with the website, with all of the wannabies spewing BS. There was much information that was not from actual builders and some of it was down right "off base". Remember the guy who told us to put weights on the trailing edge of the ail erons?...=C2- Thats his suggestion on balancing to stop flutter.... I hope things are better now. I m on the Zenith site now.=C2- Its for builders and flyers. So far the scoop seems ok.... =C2- SW ----- Original Message ----- From: John Brumpton Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Leak Hi Steve Could you please=C2-forward some pictures to the list & specify the sende rs and gauges you used and where they were purchased from at what cost? Thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: steve Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:01 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Leak Before I installed my tanks I pressure checked everything and made sure the gauges worked.=C2- Go figure, after sitting for a year I finally put fue l in the tanks.=C2- The darn things didnt read at all.=C2- I guess the time spent without fue l caused the rheostats to corrode or something like that. For whatever reason I had to remove the senders.=C2- Each checked out bad .. The manufacturer , VDO, is now Continental.... I ve had a very bad time purchasing new senders.=C2- Zenith helped by sup plying new ones but they were the wrong ones for my gauges....I had to purc hase=C2-SN 39 senders online. Made for Ford trucks they are the VDO equivalent... This whole story comes down to this:=C2-=C2-=C2- It was such a hassle to remove the senders that I decided to seal off the 59mm holes in the tan k ends and go the "old way"=C2- by installing the senders on top of the w ing... This has been a very good move... If I were to build again,=C2- I would be sure to have the senders on top. I have pictures of the "rebuild" if your interested. It took less than a day and I m now happy..... =C2- Steve =C2- ----- Original Message ----- From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Leak List =C2-At 78 hrs. my left tank VDO fuel level sender started weeping fuel th ru the center wire connector fitting. i am planning to drain the fuel, clea n the area with solvent and try to cover the area with proseal to stop the leak. if that does not work i will try to remove the sender thru the access hole. i do not want to remove the tank. has anyone had this problem. any solutions. thanks bobby N131BP 601 XL href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c __________ NOD32 3846 (20090211) Information __________ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:48 PM PST US From: "John Brumpton" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Leak Steve Could you email me on jbrumpt@activ8.net.au Thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Leak I ll be happy to send you all pictures of how I installed the senders on the top of the fuel tanks. I do have a slight problem. Seems I cant post on matronics. All I can do is reply to your emails. About six months ago I got totally fed up with the website, with all of the wannabies spewing BS. There was much information that was not from actual builders and some of it was down right "off base". Remember the guy who told us to put weights on the trailing edge of the ailerons?... Thats his suggestion on balancing to stop flutter.... I hope things are better now. I m on the Zenith site now. Its for builders and flyers. So far the scoop seems ok.... SW ----- Original Message ----- From: John Brumpton To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Leak Hi Steve Could you please forward some pictures to the list & specify the senders and gauges you used and where they were purchased from at what cost? Thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:01 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel Leak Before I installed my tanks I pressure checked everything and made sure the gauges worked. Go figure, after sitting for a year I finally put fuel in the tanks. The darn things didnt read at all. I guess the time spent without fuel caused the rheostats to corrode or something like that. For whatever reason I had to remove the senders. Each checked out bad. The manufacturer , VDO, is now Continental.... I ve had a very bad time purchasing new senders. Zenith helped by supplying new ones but they were the wrong ones for my gauges....I had to purchase SN 39 senders online. Made for Ford trucks they are the VDO equivalent... This whole story comes down to this: It was such a hassle to remove the senders that I decided to seal off the 59mm holes in the tank ends and go the "old way" by installing the senders on top of the wing... This has been a very good move... If I were to build again, I would be sure to have the senders on top. I have pictures of the "rebuild" if your interested. It took less than a day and I m now happy..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Leak List At 78 hrs. my left tank VDO fuel level sender started weeping fuel thru the center wire connector fitting. i am planning to drain the fuel, clean the area with solvent and try to cover the area with proseal to stop the leak. if that does not work i will try to remove the sender thru the access hole. i do not want to remove the tank. has anyone had this problem. any solutions. thanks bobby N131BP 601 XL href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c __________ NOD32 3846 (20090211) Information __________ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c __________ NOD32 3846 (20090211) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:47:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Olfa Knife - SEM pictures for the curious builder From: "bcchurch" Thought I'd share some pictures I took showing what an Olfa Knife does to aluminum. Regards, Ben -------- Ben Church CH801 Racine, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231561#231561 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/olfa_198.pdf ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Olfa Knife - SEM pictures for the curious builder From: Larry Winger That's crazy. Where did you make the magnified images? Larry Winger 650/Corvair Fuselage ready to rivet Tustin, CA Do Not Archive On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:46 PM, bcchurch wrote: > > Thought I'd share some pictures I took showing what an Olfa Knife does to > aluminum. > > Regards, > Ben > > -------- > Ben Church > CH801 > Racine, WI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231561#231561 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/olfa_198.pdf > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:59 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Olfa Knife - SEM pictures for the curious builder From: "bcchurch" Larry, Can't seem to spend my entire work day working... I'm materials engineer and use electron microscopes on a regular basis. It's good practice for me to look at "non-routine" things from time to time - just to keep the skills sharp. Regards, Ben -------- Ben Church CH801 Racine, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231569#231569 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Olfa Knife - SEM pictures for the curious builder From: Carlos Sa Very, very cool! Next time you are bored, how about a raw vs polished surfaces? Cheers Carlos CH601-HD, plans do not archive 2009/2/22 bcchurch > > Larry, > > Can't seem to spend my entire work day working... > > I'm materials engineer and use electron microscopes on a regular basis. > It's good practice for me to look at "non-routine" things from time to time > - just to keep the skills sharp. > > Regards, > Ben > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:06 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room reminder for "Digesters" Please join us for our Monday evening Chat. Around 8:00 PM Eastern Time. www.mykitairplane.com/chat George ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:21 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Olfa Knife - SEM pictures for the curious builder From: "Ron Lendon" Ben, Let us see what that edge looks like after working the edge with a vixen file, then again after all the burrs are removed. Thanks, -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Corvair Engine Prints: http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231601#231601 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Olfa Knife - SEM pictures for the curious builder From: ihab.awad@gmail.com On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Ron Lendon wrote: > Let us see what that edge looks like ... Yes, and let's settle the Scotch-Brite debate once and for all, scientifically. Ihab -- Ihab A.B. 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