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1. 06:44 AM - Re: Looking for an AOA or LR Probe` (macleod@eagle.ca)
2. 09:54 AM - Re: Looking for an AOA or LR Probe` (ROBERT SCEPPA)
3. 02:34 PM - To 406 or not 406 that is the question. (Gig Giacona)
4. 03:05 PM - Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. (Paul Mulwitz)
5. 03:06 PM - Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. (steve)
6. 03:12 PM - Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. (steve)
7. 03:28 PM - Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. (Craig Payne)
8. 03:54 PM - Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. (Rick Lindstrom)
9. 04:40 PM - Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. (Jay Maynard)
10. 05:06 PM - Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. (Craig Payne)
11. 05:08 PM - Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. (chris Sinfield)
12. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. (Paul Mulwitz)
13. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. (Craig Payne)
14. 06:27 PM - Re: Corv-oil Filler Tube (leinad)
15. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. (Jay Maynard)
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for an AOA or LR Probe` |
John:
I made 2 out of wood (1x2 - which is really about 3/4 by 1 1/2). The first
was to confirm that I could drill the holes straight enough with my
handheld drill. The second was for real. The entire process took about 1
hour.
After painting (the paint shop actually phones me to confirm that I wanted
to paint a "stick with holes" along with the rest of the small pieces) it
looks great.
Mike
XL getting really close
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> Have been looking at online information for building a reserve lift
> indicator using the converted meter for the indicator. Have so far been
> unsuccessful at drilling the required 5.25 and 5 .875 3/16 holes for the
> probe.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for an AOA or LR Probe` |
> I drilled both holes in my drill press and used a bench vise to hold
> the piece of aluminum bar stock. I think there's a website that shows
> the diagram of the LRI somewhere. I bought a long drill at my local
> hardware store. the two smaller holes were a little difficult, but I
> managed anyhow. Good luck....Do not archive
--- On Tue, 2/24/09, macleod@eagle.ca <macleod@eagle.ca> wrote:
> From: macleod@eagle.ca <macleod@eagle.ca>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Looking for an AOA or LR Probe`
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 2:43 PM
>
> John:
>
> I made 2 out of wood (1x2 - which is really about 3/4 by 1
> 1/2). The first
> was to confirm that I could drill the holes straight
> enough with my
> handheld drill. The second was for real. The entire
> process took about 1
> hour.
>
> After painting (the paint shop actually phones me to
> confirm that I wanted
> to paint a "stick with holes" along with the rest
> of the small pieces) it
> looks great.
>
> Mike
> XL getting really close
> ---
>
>
> > Have been looking at online information for building a
> reserve lift
> > indicator using the converted meter for the indicator.
> Have so far been
> > unsuccessful at drilling the required 5.25 and 5 .875
> 3/16 holes for the
> > probe.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | To 406 or not 406 that is the question. |
As we know the 121MHz aren't going to be monitored by satellite any more. But the
406MHz aren't required by the FAA. There is a huge price difference between
the two and I was wondering what the builders who are getting close to flying
are planning to go with?
I'm leaning towards an 121MHZ Ack E-01 and some sort of 406MHz personal locater.
Then in a few years hopefully the price will drop on the Ack 406 unit.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231890#231890
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| Subject: | Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. |
I'm planning to put off the decision until I get near the end of
phase I flight testing. I don't think I need an ELT until that task
is complete.
It seems silly to buy a 121 MHz device since nobody will hear it. I
will probably get the 406 one when the time comes. Current pricing
for these gizmos is around $1000, and it probably won't be much less
when I need it - maybe this Summer. That seems like a lot of money,
but it is less than 10 percent of the electronics in my plane.
Paul
XL getting close
At 02:33 PM 2/24/2009, you wrote:
>As we know the 121MHz aren't going to be monitored by satellite any
>more. But the 406MHz aren't required by the FAA. There is a huge
>price difference between the two and I was wondering what the
>builders who are getting close to flying are planning to go with?
>
>I'm leaning towards an 121MHZ Ack E-01 and some sort of 406MHz
>personal locater. Then in a few years hopefully the price will drop
>on the Ack 406 unit.
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| Subject: | Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. |
Rules say: Two seat airplanes must have an ELT.
Thats it....
I m staying with 121.5. It does work.
FBO's and Unicom stations will be listening.
I guess if you fly across Keyna you might want 406....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:33 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: To 406 or not 406 that is the question.
>
> As we know the 121MHz aren't going to be monitored by satellite any more.
> But the 406MHz aren't required by the FAA. There is a huge price
> difference between the two and I was wondering what the builders who are
> getting close to flying are planning to go with?
>
> I'm leaning towards an 121MHZ Ack E-01 and some sort of 406MHz personal
> locater. Then in a few years hopefully the price will drop on the Ack 406
> unit.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231890#231890
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. |
Thats KENYA. Im lesdexic.. Duh!
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: To 406 or not 406 that is the question.
>
> Rules say: Two seat airplanes must have an ELT.
>
> Thats it....
>
> I m staying with 121.5. It does work.
> FBO's and Unicom stations will be listening.
> I guess if you fly across Keyna you might want 406....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:33 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: To 406 or not 406 that is the question.
>
>
>>
>> As we know the 121MHz aren't going to be monitored by satellite any more.
>> But the 406MHz aren't required by the FAA. There is a huge price
>> difference between the two and I was wondering what the builders who are
>> getting close to flying are planning to go with?
>>
>> I'm leaning towards an 121MHZ Ack E-01 and some sort of 406MHz personal
>> locater. Then in a few years hopefully the price will drop on the Ack 406
>> unit.
>>
>> --------
>> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>> 601XL Under Construction
>> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231890#231890
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| Subject: | To 406 or not 406 that is the question. |
Wait as long as you can to buy - prices are dropping and new 406 MHz models
are coming out. The ACK 406 is close enough in price to their 121 ($586 vs.
$140 on Spruce). But I don't know if it is shipping yet. Spruce also shows
an Ameri-King 406 MHz unit for $836.
Too late for me, I bought the $1200 Artex (now under $1000) and it doesn't
even accept a GPS feed.
Also the Canadians are insisting that all their planes upgrade including
visiting ones. So if you plan to fly into Canada...
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:33 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: To 406 or not 406 that is the question.
As we know the 121MHz aren't going to be monitored by satellite any more.
But the 406MHz aren't required by the FAA. There is a huge price difference
between the two and I was wondering what the builders who are getting close
to flying are planning to go with?
I'm leaning towards an 121MHZ Ack E-01 and some sort of 406MHz personal
locater. Then in a few years hopefully the price will drop on the Ack 406
unit.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231890#231890
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| Subject: | Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. |
Hi, Gig!
That's exactly what I'm planning on doing, buying a lower cost personal 406 PLB
until the average price of aircraft units comes down, which it eventually will.
Even though the satellites won't be looking for ELTs anymore, CAP and other aircraft
WILL continue to monitor 121.5.
I like the idea of being able to activate a personal PLB before a force landing,
and being able to instantly travel with it. I do believe that McMurdo is coming
up with a smaller, lighter, and lower cost PLB that's in the final approval
stages that will sell for less than half of a comparable aviation 406 unit.
Rick
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 24, 2009 2:33 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: To 406 or not 406 that is the question.
>
>
>As we know the 121MHz aren't going to be monitored by satellite any more. But
the 406MHz aren't required by the FAA. There is a huge price difference between
the two and I was wondering what the builders who are getting close to flying
are planning to go with?
>
>I'm leaning towards an 121MHZ Ack E-01 and some sort of 406MHz personal locater.
Then in a few years hopefully the price will drop on the Ack 406 unit.
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=231890#231890
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. |
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 02:33:29PM -0800, Gig Giacona wrote:
> I'm leaning towards an 121MHZ Ack E-01 and some sort of 406MHz personal
> locater. Then in a few years hopefully the price will drop on the Ack 406
> unit.
I'd recommend, if you go this route (and it's a reasonable one if you don't
want to spend the money for 406 righ away), to mount the ELT and antenna
where you can get to them easily. The 406 ELT will use a different antenna
from the 121.5 ELT, and you'll have to swap antennas when you do the
conversion. I'm not looking forward to the change in my Zodiac for that
reason (unless the ACK antenna can be changed without needing access to the
underside).
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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| Subject: | To 406 or not 406 that is the question. |
> Im lesdexic.. Duh!
Have you heard about DAM? Mothers Against Dyslexia.
-- Craig
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. |
My C130 will still monitor 121.5 and 406. also the civil airliners may still be
monitoring 121.5 anyone know?. if they know you have a 121.5 they will find you
but not as fast.. get a portable 406 and turn it on after the crash for extra
protection.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. |
According to some FAA folks I spoke to at a trade show last weekend,
all aircraft are supposed to monitor 121.5 at all times if they are
able to do so. Unfortunately, I was unable to find any reference to
this in the FARs.
Paul
do not archive
At 05:07 PM 2/24/2009, you wrote:
>My C130 will still monitor 121.5 and 406. also the civil airliners
>may still be monitoring 121.5 anyone know?. if they know you have a
>121.5 they will find you but not as fast.. get a portable 406 and
>turn it on after the crash for extra protection.
>Chris
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| Subject: | Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. |
The disadvantage of course to the 406 MHz PLB is that you have to be
conscious to activate it. I suppose if you are dead there isn't much rush to
find you. An alternative would be SPOT or the Ham radio based APRS tracker
devices is Byonics. Both will allow a third-party to track you and report
your last known position if you are overdue. The downside to SPOT is that
the cost of the unit ($100 or more) and the annual fee ($100 basic plus $50
for tracking). So in a few years the cost approaches that of a 406 MHz ELT.
But you (or your friends and family) get real-time tracking. The question on
APRS is coverage.
http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=1113
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/tracker.htm
http://www.byonics.com/
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Corv-oil Filler Tube |
Paul,
It sounds like you're aiming toward a setup like the one I've chosen. Rear alternator
running off the harmonic balancer. I left the oil filler in place but
shortened it. I was able to cut it off and re-weld it shorter without pressing
the steel filler out of the rear housing.
I did remove the horizontal oil filter adapter and have mine vertical. The belt
passes it without interference.
I suppose you could remove the alternator saddle but I found it a convenient place
for the alternator brackets to bolt.
There are lots of pictures of my set up on my website. http://daniel.dempseyfamily.us/zodiac/index.html
> "paulrod36(at)msn.com"] Before I modify my Corvair with my trusty chainsaw and
sledgehammer, I thought I'd ask a few questions: What's the consensus on placement
of the filler tube? I've been thinking of either setting the tube at
the top rear of one of the valve covers, or shortening it way down, and setting
it somewhere in the flat top cover. Since I'm not yet quite sure how much
space I'll need for the alternator, and exactly how much space will be available,
I thought I'd ask and avoid the "Oh, *&#" moment that invariably follows
blazing new trails over the cliff. Also, if you remove the horizontal oil
filter adapter, and hang the filter vertical, is there still enough room for
the rear accessory pulley? And, finally, I don't see any need for the old Delcotron
saddle. Anybody have a problem with sawing it off?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul Rodriguez
> 601XL/Corvair
> Crank about to go for nitriding
>
--------
Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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| Subject: | Re: To 406 or not 406 that is the question. |
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 05:23:27PM -0800, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
> According to some FAA folks I spoke to at a trade show last weekend, all
> aircraft are supposed to monitor 121.5 at all times if they are able to do
> so. Unfortunately, I was unable to find any reference to this in the FARs.
I don't believe there is one in the FARs. However, I'd refer you to AIM
5-6-2(a)(2): "All aircraft operating in the US national airspace, if
capable, will maintain a listening watch on VHF guard 121.5[...]" That
paragraph has to do with intercept procedures, and it's a REALLY good idea
to comply.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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