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1. 05:34 AM - Re: Fuses /Breakers and a few electrical questions (Ken Arnold)
2. 12:13 PM - Absence of Evidence (roger lambert)
3. 12:28 PM - Re: Absence of Evidence (steve)
4. 12:46 PM - Re: Absence of Evidence (jaybannist@cs.com)
5. 01:13 PM - 601XL Aileron Bellcrank Brace (japhillipsga@aol.com)
6. 02:25 PM - Re: 601XL Aileron Bellcrank Brace (Craig Payne)
7. 04:41 PM - Re: Absence of Evidence (ihab.awad@gmail.com)
8. 08:55 PM - Re: New Panel Design (Terry Phillips)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuses /Breakers and a few electrical questions |
George,
Excellent picture. Excellent design.
Ken Arnold
Flying CH701 N701LK
do not archive
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From: George Race
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuses /Breakers and a few electrical
questions
Attached is the schematic diagram of what I did building a CH-701
It is in picture format. I have it in DWG and DXF if it would be of
any help.
Diagram was drawn using Microsoft Visio.
George
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Simmons
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:31 AM
To: List, Zenith-List
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuses /Breakers and a few electrical questions
If someone would like to share what they did for a schematic I can use
fro an example it would be great!
I know these question are some what basic but hey, it's a starting
point.
Any good advice would be appreciated.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Rich
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| Subject: | Absence of Evidence |
In probability theory, absence of *evidence* is always *evidence* of
absence. If E is a binary event and P(H|E) > P(H), "seeing E increases the
probability of H"; then P(H|~E) < P(H), "failure to observe E decreases the
probability of H". P(H) is a weighted mix of P(H|E) and P(H|~E), and
necessarily lies between the two. If any of this sounds at all confusing,
see An Intuitive Explanation of Bayesian
Reasoning<http://yudkowsky.net/bayes/bayes.html>.
Under the vast majority of real-life circumstances, a cause may not reliably
produce signs of itself, but the absence of the cause is even less likely to
produce the signs. The absence of an observation may be strong evidence of
absence or very weak evidence of absence, depending on how likely the cause
is to produce the observation. The absence of an observation that is only
weakly permitted (even if the alternative hypothesis does not allow it at
all), is very weak evidence of absence (though it is evidence nonetheless).
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| Subject: | Re: Absence of Evidence |
So, in reality Abstinence is bad ?
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From: roger lambert
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:01 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Absence of Evidence
In probability theory, absence of evidence is always evidence of
absence. If E is a binary event and P(H|E) > P(H), "seeing E increases
the probability of H"; then P(H|~E) < P(H), "failure to observe E
decreases the probability of H". P(H) is a weighted mix of P(H|E) and
P(H|~E), and necessarily lies between the two. If any of this sounds at
all confusing, see An Intuitive Explanation of Bayesian Reasoning.
Under the vast majority of real-life circumstances, a cause may not
reliably produce signs of itself, but the absence of the cause is even
less likely to produce the signs. The absence of an observation may be
strong evidence of absence or very weak evidence of absence, depending
on how likely the cause is to produce the observation. The absence of
an observation that is only weakly permitted (even if the alternative
hypothesis does not allow it at all), is very weak evidence of absence
(though it is evidence nonetheless).
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| Subject: | Re: Absence of Evidence |
Roger,
No "dis" is intended, your "egghead" analysis has one flawed statement - "the
absence of the cause is even less likely to produce the signs."? If there is no
cause, there is no negative result and NO evidence, 'cause nothing will happen
without a cause. Right?
Does this apply to something pertinent?? If so, what is your point?
Jay Bannister
-----Original Message-----
From: roger lambert <n601ap@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 2:01 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Absence of Evidence
In?probability theory, absence of evidence is always evidence of absence.? ?If
E is a binary event and P(H|E) > P(H), "seeing E increases the probability of
H"; then P(H|~E) < P(H), "failure to observe E decreases the probability of H".?
P(H) is a weighted mix of P(H|E) and P(H|~E), and necessarily lies between
the two.? If any of this sounds at all confusing, see An Intuitive Explanation
of Bayesian Reasoning.
Under the vast majority of real-life circumstances, a cause may not reliably produce
signs of itself, but the absence of the cause is even less likely to produce
the signs.? The absence of an observation may be strong evidence of absence
or very weak evidence of absence, depending on how likely the cause is to produce
the observation.? The absence of an observation that is only weakly permitted
(even if the alternative hypothesis does not allow it at all), is very
weak evidence of absence (though it is evidence nonetheless).?
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| Subject: | 601XL Aileron Bellcrank Brace |
Dear 601 Builders & Flyers, here is my next effort at reducing the risk of aileron
flutter. Sure would enjoy reading your opinions, Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | 601XL Aileron Bellcrank Brace |
For those who don't have Microsoft Office 2007 (or the "docx" viewer) I've
converted the doc to Acrobat/PDF. Hopefully you will find it attached.
-- Craig
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Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Aileron Bellcrank Brace
Dear 601 Builders & Flyers, here is my next effort at reducing the risk of
aileron flutter. Sure would enjoy reading your opinions, Best regards, Bill
of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Absence of Evidence |
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:01 PM, roger lambert <n601ap@gmail.com> wrote:
> Inprobability theory, absence of evidence is always evidence of absence.
You are right, and I stand duly corrected. Thank you. Let me amend my ways:
The fact that the Yuba City report states:
"no oscillatory loading of the control surfaces was apparent"
counts as evidence against flutter, but should not rule it out;
furthermore, given the paucity of other hypotheses and the various
reasons to continue to suspect flutter (including actual occurence of
it in the fleet), we should continue to pursue this avenue in addition
to others.
Does this work better?
Ihab
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Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA
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| Subject: | Re: New Panel Design |
Thanks, Dan.
You guys are way ahead of me. I'm glad to hear that it is in the works.
Terry
At 10:52 AM 2/22/2009 -0800, you wrote:
>Terry,
>Sorry I didn't reply sooner.. I filter the Zenith list to its own mail box
>and I haven/t had time to read it lately. Gen2 will have the ability to
>write logs to a USB stick. It will also be used for software updates.
>
>Dan Lykowski
>Dynon Avionics
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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