---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/02/09: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:54 AM - Re: Y stick problem (fred sanford) 2. 06:04 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race) 3. 08:51 AM - Correct Rivet Squeezer Tip for Solid Rivets (William Dominguez) 4. 09:44 AM - Re: Correct Rivet Squeezer Tip for Solid Rivets (leinad) 5. 09:56 AM - Re: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy? (leinad) 6. 12:04 PM - Re: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy? (William Dominguez) 7. 12:20 PM - Re: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy? (wade jones) 8. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: Y stick problem (Bill Naumuk) 9. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Y stick problem (LarryMcFarland) 10. 05:32 PM - Harness?? (Bill Naumuk) 11. 06:22 PM - Re: Harness?? (Dr Lyle Pahnke) 12. 11:28 PM - Re: Y stick problem (fred sanford) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:10 AM PST US From: fred sanford Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y stick problem I cut mine off. Tried to attach pix to previous message - didn't work. Try this: http://www.sonar100.com/panelwgpson.jpg Fred Sanford N9601 do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:58 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Reminder We have a brand new chat room for the Zenith group ready for use. Please click on the link below to be on your way there. While at the web site, please take a look at the new stuff for Experimental Aircraft Builders that I am in the process of making. You can also look at it from the "Chat" page. Click on the link at the bottom of the page to "Pop" it up. May be something there that you will be able to use in your build. The newest additions are CNC cut Insturment Bezels, Adaptors, and Cover Plates. Coming soon, Tie Down Rings for the Ch-701 and a real neat Inspection Opening Kit that will be ideal for the bottom of the CH-701 wings, along with other aircraft. http:// www.mykitairplane.com George Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:35 AM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Zenith-List: Correct Rivet Squeezer Tip for Solid Rivets The solid rivets for the spar are 5/32. I'm looking for the correct rivet s queezer tip to drive these 5/32 rivets into the spar. I see 3 sizes in ACS, 1/8,- 5/32, 3/16 all cupped. Which one is the correct one? I'm tempted to order the 5/32 squeezer tip but don't know if this is the di ameter of the tip's dome or the equivalent for 5/32 rivet. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami Florida http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:31 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Correct Rivet Squeezer Tip for Solid Rivets From: "leinad" William, The 5/32 is the correct one. They are specified by rivet size, not dome size. Dan [quote="William Dominguez"]The solid rivets for the spar are 5/32. I'm looking for the correct rivet squeezer tip to drive these 5/32 rivets into the spar. I see 3 sizes in ACS, 1/8, 5/32, 3/16 all cupped. Which one is the correct one? I'm tempted to order the 5/32 squeezer tip but don't know if this is the diameter of the tip's dome or the equivalent for 5/32 rivet. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami Florida http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom > [b] -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232763#232763 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:17 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy? From: "leinad" The only thing I've purchased from Zenith has been the plans. In my opinion the thing that consumes the most time building from scratch is sourcing materials. I've purchased a number things only to find out that they would not work and then had to find the right thing. I would disagree with the post that said you'll have to buy a ton of fancy tools. I've done almost everything with simple to make wooden jigs and fixtures and tools most home handyman would likely have. I did purchase an oxy-acetylene torch. I even made a bending brake out of wood. I'm working on wing assembly now and then the only things left are to make a cowl, and then paint. Dan -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232770#232770 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:31 PM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy? So far, I've made almost all of the parts myself. Still I have ordered a fe w things from ZAC, they are: - All rivets, except for the fuel tank rivets. (I riveted and pros-sealed m y tanks using self plugging rivets). - Fuel tank sender and fuel level gauge. (I shopped around and found that Z enith have a very competitive price for them) - Flap nylon control plate. - Center spar upright angular. (didn't find them at ACS) - Center spar bolts. I will buy the landing gear kit if it comes with all the parts like axles, rims etc. Will I do it again? definitely yes, I enjoy the process of making my own pa rts. As other have said, the primary motivation for scratch building should be f or the enjoyment of it. There is money to be saved but it is at the expense of time, if you won't enjoy it, don't do it, get the kit. You can expect t o save somewhere between 6 to 10 grands over the total cost of the project. If you are going for a 22k engine and FWF, 10K avionics, leather seats and other luxuries, saving 6 to 10 grands might not be much percentage wise. I disagree about the need for expensive tools, you are not going to spend t he saving difference in tools, that's a myth. A bending brake is a most for a scratch builder, it is the single tool that will save you the most time if you have a good one. It is not difficult to make but most DIY brakes clamps the material with screws or C clamps along side of the bed. Commercial brakes clamps the material by lowering a lever in each side. This make a huge time saving difference because there are lot s of bending to do and the time you spend tightening C clamps or screws rea lly add up. It is not difficult to adapt this type of mechanism to a DIY br ake if you are a little creative. Larry McFarland's brake is the only DIY b rake that I know with side levers for clamping. But you'll need access to a machine shop to make some of its parts. There is also Dave Clay's brake, i t is easy to make with no need for machining. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami Florida http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom --- On Sun, 3/1/09, mcjon77 wrote: From: mcjon77 Subject: Zenith-List: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy ? Hi guys, I would like to find out from the scratch builders, regardless of which mod el zenith you built/are building, what parts did you make for yourself and what did you buy from zenith?- Also, if you were doing it over again, are there any parts that you would have bought instead of building or built in stead of buying like you did before? Thanks, -------- Jon McDonald Building Sonex #1287 Thinking ahead about a Zenith CH 701 :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232567#232567 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:14 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy? Hi William ,I plans built my 601XL and built my landing gear without any problems .If you consider building your gear contact me off list and I will share my technique with you . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL Franklin 0-235 ----- Original Message ----- From: William Dominguez To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy? So far, I've made almost all of the parts myself. Still I have ordered a few things from ZAC, they are: - All rivets, except for the fuel tank rivets. (I riveted and pros-sealed my tanks using self plugging rivets). - Fuel tank sender and fuel level gauge. (I shopped around and found that Zenith have a very competitive price for them) - Flap nylon control plate. - Center spar upright angular. (didn't find them at ACS) - Center spar bolts. I will buy the landing gear kit if it comes with all the parts like axles, rims etc. Will I do it again? definitely yes, I enjoy the process of making my own parts. As other have said, the primary motivation for scratch building should be for the enjoyment of it. There is money to be saved but it is at the expense of time, if you won't enjoy it, don't do it, get the kit. You can expect to save somewhere between 6 to 10 grands over the total cost of the project. If you are going for a 22k engine and FWF, 10K avionics, leather seats and other luxuries, saving 6 to 10 grands might not be much percentage wise. I disagree about the need for expensive tools, you are not going to spend the saving difference in tools, that's a myth. A bending brake is a most for a scratch builder, it is the single tool that will save you the most time if you have a good one. It is not difficult to make but most DIY brakes clamps the material with screws or C clamps alongside of the bed. Commercial brakes clamps the material by lowering a lever in each side. This make a huge time saving difference because there are lots of bending to do and the time you spend tightening C clamps or screws really add up. It is not difficult to adapt this type of mechanism to a DIY brake if you are a little creative. Larry McFarland's brake is the only DIY brake that I know with side levers for clamping. But you'll need access to a machine shop to make some of its parts. There is also Dave Clay's brake, it is easy to make with no need for machining. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami Florida http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom --- On Sun, 3/1/09, mcjon77 wrote: From: mcjon77 Subject: Zenith-List: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy? To: zenith-list@matronics.com Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 6:16 AM Hi guys, I would like to find out from the scratch builders, regardless of which model zenith you built/are building, what parts did you make for yourself and what did you buy from zenith? Also, if you were doing it over again, are there any parts that you would have bought instead of building or built instead of buying like you did before? Thanks, -------- Jon McDonald Building Sonex #1287 Thinking ahead about a Zenith CH 701 :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232567#232567//www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Zenith-List" target="_blank">http://www.mat; -Maww.matronics.com/contribution" ====== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:59 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: re: Y stick problem Fred- Very interesting. Are you flying? Cutting down the stick a bit would reduce the leverage and help smooth out some of the pitch sensitivity I keep hearing about. If you are flying, do you have any flying builders out your way equipped with the Y stick? I'd be interested to hear an appraisal of the "Feel" characteristics of both setups. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "fred sanford" Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:04 AM Subject: Zenith-List: re: Y stick problem >I cut mine off, and it works just fine.....Fred Sanford N9601 > Pix attached > do jnot archive > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:17 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: re: Y stick problem Hi Bill, I find the Y-stick really helpful for getting in and out of the plane. In flight the stick allows my GPS to be mounted on the vertical portion below and extend above and between the handles. This is helpful to change GPS settings or even batteries while still being able to fly the plane. I like the Y-stick and think it feels very natural from either seat. See link, http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/airmap500mt2.gif Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Bill Naumuk wrote: > > Fred- > Very interesting. Are you flying? Cutting down the stick a bit > would reduce the leverage and help smooth out some of the pitch > sensitivity I keep hearing about. > If you are flying, do you have any flying builders out your way > equipped with the Y stick? I'd be interested to hear an appraisal of > the "Feel" characteristics of both setups. > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "fred sanford" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:04 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: re: Y stick problem > > >> I cut mine off, and it works just fine.....Fred Sanford N9601 >> Pix attached >> do jnot archive >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:57 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Harness?? All- I need a wiring harness for a King KT76TSO transponder with alt encoder and keep hitting a brick wall trying to find out how to get one, or even exactly what I need. All help or leads appreciated. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:22 PM PST US From: "Dr Lyle Pahnke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Harness?? ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:41 PM PST US From: fred sanford Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y stick problem Bill, I have the Y stick in my 701, and I have the shortened stick in my 601. Two different planes - but I see no difference. The shortened stick allows me to relax my forearm on the center divider. I have seen that others have had to add cushions to the center divider for flying with the Y stick. As far as vertical sensitivity, I feel that the the wandering comes from the plane and air currents rather than lack of response in the stick,,,,,,,Fred N9601 do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.