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1. 09:51 AM - recent crash (roger lambert)
2. 10:37 AM - Re: recent crash (jaybannist@cs.com)
3. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: Corv-oil Filler Tube ()
4. 10:54 AM - Re: recent crash (mcjon77)
5. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: recent crash (jaybannist@cs.com)
6. 03:12 PM - Re: Y Stick Decision (Bill Naumuk)
7. 04:36 PM - Re: Y Stick Decision (Carlos Sa)
8. 05:57 PM - Re: recent crash (Juan Vega)
9. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah (MaxNr@aol.com)
10. 08:40 PM - Re: Y Stick Decision (Gig Giacona)
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The photos may be low quality, but they do show both ailerons and flaps
still attached to the airplane.
Has anyone checked to see if the pilot was licensed?
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| Subject: | Re: recent crash |
I checked the FAA registry.? Kirk Babbit is not listed as being licensed.
Jay Bannister
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-----Original Message-----
From: roger lambert <n601ap@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:50 am
Subject: Zenith-List: recent crash
The photos may be low quality, but they do show both ailerons and flaps still attached
to the airplane.
Has anyone checked to see if the pilot was licensed?
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| Subject: | Re: Corv-oil Filler Tube |
Dan, thanks for the info. If I run into WW at Oshkosh I'll ask him, but
it now seems that the puck really isn't needed. Your setup. admittedly
unflown, but sure to hold up, seems perfectly straightforward. The
starter torque is still going through the prop bolts, which, if they
couldn't handle the starter, certainly couldn't handle the prop. And,
since nobody seems to be losing props, I'd call it good and move on. My
plane won't be beautiful, my rivets won't be laser-true, and I'm not
into making parts over and over again because of some cosmetic or
perceived flaw. I'm not one of those to whom perfect is the enemy of
good.
I'll be saving your info in my engine file for later use. As an aside,
a friend suggested I name the bird "poor thing". He quoted from
Shakespeare, "A poor thing, Sir, but mine own."
Thanks.
Paul
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From: leinad<mailto:leinad@hughes.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corv-oil Filler Tube
<leinad@hughes.net<mailto:leinad@hughes.net>>
Paul,
I've purchased William Wynne's conversion manual from back in 2004. I
found the same problem. Certain key pieces of information were
missing, like a drawing of the puck, and some of the dimensions. WW was
at first very friendly and sounding as if he wanted to help. But when I
started asking questions like the ones you asked the communications
stopped. He may have just gotten very busy, but I was left feeling like
he didn't want to provide all the information needed to do the
conversion (which is what I thought I'd purchased). I wound up
designing my own prop hub, and decided to mount the alternator on the
rear of the engine where the harmonic balancer pulley is located. This
made sense to me. The pulley was meant to drive an alternator. It
saves weight and moves the weight back a good distance. The draw back
is that it'll require opening the "hood" to do a preflight to check the
belt tension, but that seamed like a good trade off. For the ring gear
the engine fl!
ange has a pilot that sticks out and my prop hub has a counter bore
on the engine end that fits on that pilot snuggly. The ring gear has
been bored to that same pilot diameter and the bolt pattern drilled
around it for the same bolt circle as the prop. The pilot on the flange
is long enough to go through the gear material (I think it was about
.090) and well into the counter bore on the prop hub. The bolts that
hold the prop hub on also hold the gear on. The gear being clamped in
between the hub and the flange. I am also using a safety shaft. I
checked the material the gear is made of for flatness and it was VERY
flat. It runs perfectly true when the engine is running. The only
possible problem I can see in this design (which has NOT been flight
tested) is that the starter delivers its torque through this joint. I
don't think most of the corvair builders need ALL the information.
They'll purchase his parts and be able to do the conversion, and that
may be the best!
path.
Dan
> ="paulrod36(at)msn.com"] Daniel. your site is great! Answered
several of my questions. I do have one, however, that I asked WW, and
never got a reply. What's with the flywheel? According to the book,
it's an 85 or 86 Taurus, looks like it should have come from an
automatic transmission, but there isn't anything in the manual
addressing what needs to be done with it. I assume you have to re-drill
for the bolt battern on the flange, right? Also, he talks about a
puck. but doesn't give enough information on it. Like, why, and what it
looks like, and where it goes. It's not even on his parts list, as far
as I could tell. How did you do your front end between engine and prop
hub?
>
> Paul R
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| Subject: | Re: recent crash |
Jay, you misspelled his name. It is Kirk Babbitt, with 2 t's. He is rated as
a commercial pilot with ASEL, AMEL, and Instrument ratings.
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Building Sonex #1287
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| Subject: | Re: recent crash |
Sorry.? I got the spelling from one of the news articles and took it as fact.
My bad.? So much for "news" reporting, huh?
Jay Bannister
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From: mcjon77 <mcjon77@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:53 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: recent crash
Jay, you misspelled his name. It is Kirk Babbitt, with 2 t's. He is rated as
a
commercial pilot with ASEL, AMEL, and Instrument ratings.
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| Subject: | Re: Y Stick Decision |
Carlos-
Michel T? If so, I ran into him at the Brampford fly-in. Nice guy.
Made a point of introducing himself.
Things are coming together. Pictures of my "Porker panel" attached.
Even with a Dynon the bloody thing weighs 40+ lbs. the entire setup
doesn't look like this because I put Naugahyde on the console and
umpteen more gauges in the console upright.
Keep on keeping on...
Bill
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From: Carlos Sa
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Y Stick Decision
Bill, you might want to consider a "convertible" setup:
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/chcontrols2.htm
Cheers
Carlos
2009/3/3 Bill Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net>
All-
Thanks for your input. I think I'm going to go with the cut down
stick.
Larry, I decided on the Y stick rather than the dual stick
option long ago based on your access information. But, if everyone's
holding below the Y anyway and you don't have the ears protruding, so
much the better. On top of everything else, it's not like you're
limiting controllability on either side. In addition, I don't need the
space for my GPS- it's in the porker of a panel I finally got ready to
wire. I have no illusions- my project is going to make the scales groan.
As long as I can outrun a C150...
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Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Y Stick Decision |
Yep, Michel T himself. I intend to use the same approach.
The grip itself will probably be a game joystick - can you think of
something that takes more punishment than that?
Some examples:
http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/joysticks.htm
http://www.allproducts.com/ee/sanmos/joystick-l.jpg
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/joysticks/&cl=ca,en
Thanks for the pictures - your project is starting to look like something
that could fly... :-)
I can't wait to start wok on the fuselage - but I still have to solve my
space problem: I can't rivet the fuselage in my workshop (in the basement),
or it won't come out.
Regards
Carlos
2009/3/4 Bill Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net>
> Carlos-
> Michel T? If so, I ran into him at the Brampford fly-in. Nice guy. Made
> a point of introducing himself.
> Things are coming together. Pictures of my "Porker panel" attached.
> Even with a Dynon the bloody thing weighs 40+ lbs. the entire setup doesn't
> look like this because I put Naugahyde on the console and umpteen more
> gauges in the console upright.
> Keep on keeping on...
>
> Bill
>
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| Subject: | Re: recent crash |
at and what crash? i am missing a stream
-----Original Message-----
>From: roger lambert <n601ap@gmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 4, 2009 12:50 PM
>To: "zenith-list@matronics.com" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: recent crash
>
>The photos may be low quality, but they do show both ailerons and flaps
>still attached to the airplane.
>Has anyone checked to see if the pilot was licensed?
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| Subject: | Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah |
It breaks my heart to see that another of ours is lost. I can believe the
theory that he was avoiding the SLC Class B by deviating to the North. Its only
25 NM direct from TVY to BTF. A 15 mile deviation to the North seems
reasonable. He certainly was in radar contact and the details, including the SLC
WX will
come out soon.
This discussion of the 601XL limitations always seems to come up. The flaps
"appear" to be extended. Really? It had just hit the ground! Do you think? And
just how do we know that he was exceeding an air speed limit? And just why is
it thought that he slammed the flight controls to the stops while at cruising
speed? Has anybody actually ever seen any one do this? I have seen it only
once 45 years ago when a friend did it in the landing flare in my Champ.
Most planes are designed to withstand the 50 foot per second wind gust at Va.
That translates to 3,000 ft per minute. This is weather that you only see in
squall lines or high winds in mountains. lets get off that full control
deflection stuff at cruising speed and recognize that weather breaks more airframes.
If the 601XL is so touchy in pitch, lets fix it. How about new control
geometry or an antiservo tab? Why do we live with it? Or maybe its just weather.
Sorry about the rant. Lets stop blaming the pilot until the facts are in. I
so wanted to stay out of this.
Bob Dingley
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| Subject: | Re: Y Stick Decision |
I had a both a Saitek and Logitec joystick come apart on me when used as a game
joystick. I'd never put one in a plane.
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