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1. 04:26 AM - Y Stick Decision (Beckman, Rick)
2. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah (Juan Vega)
3. 11:07 AM - crash B.S. (Juan Vega)
4. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah (wade jones)
5. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah (Derek Lewis)
6. 02:51 PM - Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah (Gig Giacona)
7. 03:40 PM - Re: Y Stick Decision (Bill Naumuk)
8. 03:42 PM - Re: Y Stick Decision (Bill Naumuk)
9. 03:47 PM - Re: Re: Y Stick Decision (Bill Naumuk)
10. 05:59 PM - Re: crash B.S. (thesumak@aol.com)
11. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah (wade jones)
12. 07:28 PM - Re: Re: crash B.S. (purplemoon99@bellsouth.net)
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| Subject: | Y Stick Decision |
Hey, Bill, nice looking panel! As for "Porker", it must be a
York and not a Hamp...looks pretty lean to me!!
By all means, keep on keepin' on!!
Rick
ABSOLUTELY Do not archive!
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| Subject: | Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah |
I say you keep blaming the pilot until the facts are in. The problem in this society
is everyone wants to blame someone else. The guy crashed on the side of
a ravene, and noone knows the facts. Speculation is a fancy word for Bulls^%$t.
So lets keep the B$#@#@!t to a minimum. and wait until the facts come out.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: MaxNr@aol.com
>Sent: Mar 4, 2009 9:04 PM
>To: Zenith-List@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah
>
>It breaks my heart to see that another of ours is lost. I can believe the
>theory that he was avoiding the SLC Class B by deviating to the North. Its only
>25 NM direct from TVY to BTF. A 15 mile deviation to the North seems
>reasonable. He certainly was in radar contact and the details, including the SLC
WX will
>come out soon.
>
>This discussion of the 601XL limitations always seems to come up. The flaps
>"appear" to be extended. Really? It had just hit the ground! Do you think? And
>just how do we know that he was exceeding an air speed limit? And just why is
>it thought that he slammed the flight controls to the stops while at cruising
>speed? Has anybody actually ever seen any one do this? I have seen it only
>once 45 years ago when a friend did it in the landing flare in my Champ.
>
>Most planes are designed to withstand the 50 foot per second wind gust at Va.
>That translates to 3,000 ft per minute. This is weather that you only see in
>squall lines or high winds in mountains. lets get off that full control
>deflection stuff at cruising speed and recognize that weather breaks more airframes.
>
>
>If the 601XL is so touchy in pitch, lets fix it. How about new control
>geometry or an antiservo tab? Why do we live with it? Or maybe its just weather.
>
>Sorry about the rant. Lets stop blaming the pilot until the facts are in. I
>so wanted to stay out of this.
>
>Bob Dingley
>601XL plans building Do Not Archive
>
>
>**************
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I say you keep blaming the pilot until the facts are in. The problem in this society
is everyone wants to blame someone else. The guy crashed on the side of
a ravene, and noone knows the facts. Speculation is a fancy word for Bulls^%$t.
So lets keep the B$#@#@!t to a minimum. and wait until the facts come out.
Juan
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| Subject: | Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah |
Where can I read about this crash.
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah
>
> I say you keep blaming the pilot until the facts are in. The problem in
> this society is everyone wants to blame someone else. The guy crashed on
> the side of a ravene, and noone knows the facts. Speculation is a fancy
> word for Bulls^%$t. So lets keep the B$#@#@!t to a minimum. and wait
> until the facts come out.
>
> Juan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: MaxNr@aol.com
>>Sent: Mar 4, 2009 9:04 PM
>>To: Zenith-List@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah
>>
>>It breaks my heart to see that another of ours is lost. I can believe the
>>theory that he was avoiding the SLC Class B by deviating to the North. Its
>>only
>>25 NM direct from TVY to BTF. A 15 mile deviation to the North seems
>>reasonable. He certainly was in radar contact and the details, including
>>the SLC WX will
>>come out soon.
>>
>>This discussion of the 601XL limitations always seems to come up. The
>>flaps
>>"appear" to be extended. Really? It had just hit the ground! Do you think?
>>And
>>just how do we know that he was exceeding an air speed limit? And just why
>>is
>>it thought that he slammed the flight controls to the stops while at
>>cruising
>>speed? Has anybody actually ever seen any one do this? I have seen it only
>>once 45 years ago when a friend did it in the landing flare in my Champ.
>>
>>Most planes are designed to withstand the 50 foot per second wind gust at
>>Va.
>>That translates to 3,000 ft per minute. This is weather that you only see
>>in
>>squall lines or high winds in mountains. lets get off that full control
>>deflection stuff at cruising speed and recognize that weather breaks more
>>airframes.
>>
>>
>>If the 601XL is so touchy in pitch, lets fix it. How about new control
>>geometry or an antiservo tab? Why do we live with it? Or maybe its just
>>weather.
>>
>>Sorry about the rant. Lets stop blaming the pilot until the facts are in.
>>I
>>so wanted to stay out of this.
>>
>>Bob Dingley
>>601XL plans building Do Not Archive
>>
>>
>>**************
>>A Good Credit Score is
>>700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!
>>%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah |
Wade,
Here is a link
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=5750646
Derek Lewis
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-- "wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com> wrote:
Where can I read about this crash.
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah
>
> I say you keep blaming the pilot until the facts are in. The problem in
> this society is everyone wants to blame someone else. The guy crashed on
> the side of a ravene, and noone knows the facts. Speculation is a fancy
> word for Bulls^%$t. So lets keep the B$#@#@!t to a minimum. and wait
> until the facts come out.
>
> Juan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: MaxNr@aol.com
>>Sent: Mar 4, 2009 9:04 PM
>>To: Zenith-List@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah
>>
>>It breaks my heart to see that another of ours is lost. I can believe the
>>theory that he was avoiding the SLC Class B by deviating to the North. Its
>>only
>>25 NM direct from TVY to BTF. A 15 mile deviation to the North seems
>>reasonable. He certainly was in radar contact and the details, including
>>the SLC WX will
>>come out soon.
>>
>>This discussion of the 601XL limitations always seems to come up. The
>>flaps
>>"appear" to be extended. Really? It had just hit the ground! Do you think?
>>And
>>just how do we know that he was exceeding an air speed limit? And just why
>>is
>>it thought that he slammed the flight controls to the stops while at
>>cruising
>>speed? Has anybody actually ever seen any one do this? I have seen it only
>>once 45 years ago when a friend did it in the landing flare in my Champ.
>>
>>Most planes are designed to withstand the 50 foot per second wind gust at
>>Va.
>>That translates to 3,000 ft per minute. This is weather that you only see
>>in
>>squall lines or high winds in mountains. lets get off that full control
>>deflection stuff at cruising speed and recognize that weather breaks more
>>airframes.
>>
>>
>>If the 601XL is so touchy in pitch, lets fix it. How about new control
>>geometry or an antiservo tab? Why do we live with it? Or maybe its just
>>weather.
>>
>>Sorry about the rant. Lets stop blaming the pilot until the facts are in.
>>I
>>so wanted to stay out of this.
>>
>>Bob Dingley
>>601XL plans building Do Not Archive
>>
>>
>>**************
>>A Good Credit Score is
>>700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!
>>%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah |
wjones(at)brazoriainet.co wrote:
> Where can I read about this crash.
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL Franklin 0-235
> ---
Don't waste your time. There hasn't been enough info in any of the reporting of
the accident to account for the electricity you will use in reading it.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233398#233398
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| Subject: | Re: Y Stick Decision |
You obviously know your hogs.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Beckman, Rick
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:22 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Y Stick Decision
Hey, Bill, nice looking panel! As for "Porker", it must be
a York and not a Hamp.looks pretty lean to me!!
By all means, keep on keepin' on!!
Rick
ABSOLUTELY Do not archive!
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| Subject: | Re: Y Stick Decision |
Carlos-
Do what one of the guys at Brampford did- build it in clecos and
rivet it after it's upstairs. Take it from experience- I have more money
in my garangar and tools than I have in my project.
Bill
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Sa
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Y Stick Decision
Yep, Michel T himself. I intend to use the same approach.
The grip itself will probably be a game joystick - can you think of
something that takes more punishment than that?
Some examples:
http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/joysticks.htm
http://www.allproducts.com/ee/sanmos/joystick-l.jpg
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/joysticks/&cl=ca,en
Thanks for the pictures - your project is starting to look like
something that could fly... :-)
I can't wait to start wok on the fuselage - but I still have to solve
my space problem: I can't rivet the fuselage in my workshop (in the
basement), or it won't come out.
Regards
Carlos
2009/3/4 Bill Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net>
Carlos-
Michel T? If so, I ran into him at the Brampford fly-in. Nice
guy. Made a point of introducing himself.
Things are coming together. Pictures of my "Porker panel"
attached. Even with a Dynon the bloody thing weighs 40+ lbs. the entire
setup doesn't look like this because I put Naugahyde on the console and
umpteen more gauges in the console upright.
Keep on keeping on...
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Y Stick Decision |
I'm using a Ray Allen. No cutting corners, my main motivation is reducing
PIO. Also, I guess I am cheap. Now I only need one Ray Allen grip! (Already
in the bag)
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Y Stick Decision
>
> I had a both a Saitek and Logitec joystick come apart on me when used as a
> game joystick. I'd never put one in a plane.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233294#233294
>
>
>
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I agree with the notion of personal responsibility Juan.? I also understand that
pilot error is a common contributor to aircraft accidents.? However, your counsel
that we should assume pilot ineptitude before we get the facts is to my
mind speculative BS no better than the speculative BS about the aircraft that
you see fit to lecture us about over and over and over again.
I may be alone in this, but I would suggest that your brand of BS is especially
inappropriate? At least the good folks at Zenith and the people on this list
that have an association with the company have the ability to defend themselves
against unfounded speculation about their products.
Bill
601xl
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Juan said:? I say you keep blaming the pilot until the facts are in.
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| Subject: | Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah |
Thanks Derek
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Lewis" <numskull99@netzero.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah
>
> Wade,
>
> Here is a link
> http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=5750646
>
> Derek Lewis
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> -- "wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com> wrote:
>
> Where can I read about this crash.
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL Franklin 0-235
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>; <Zenith-List@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah
>
>
>>
>> I say you keep blaming the pilot until the facts are in. The problem in
>> this society is everyone wants to blame someone else. The guy crashed on
>> the side of a ravene, and noone knows the facts. Speculation is a fancy
>> word for Bulls^%$t. So lets keep the B$#@#@!t to a minimum. and wait
>> until the facts come out.
>>
>> Juan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: MaxNr@aol.com
>>>Sent: Mar 4, 2009 9:04 PM
>>>To: Zenith-List@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah
>>>
>>>It breaks my heart to see that another of ours is lost. I can believe the
>>>theory that he was avoiding the SLC Class B by deviating to the North.
>>>Its
>>>only
>>>25 NM direct from TVY to BTF. A 15 mile deviation to the North seems
>>>reasonable. He certainly was in radar contact and the details, including
>>>the SLC WX will
>>>come out soon.
>>>
>>>This discussion of the 601XL limitations always seems to come up. The
>>>flaps
>>>"appear" to be extended. Really? It had just hit the ground! Do you
>>>think?
>>>And
>>>just how do we know that he was exceeding an air speed limit? And just
>>>why
>>>is
>>>it thought that he slammed the flight controls to the stops while at
>>>cruising
>>>speed? Has anybody actually ever seen any one do this? I have seen it
>>>only
>>>once 45 years ago when a friend did it in the landing flare in my Champ.
>>>
>>>Most planes are designed to withstand the 50 foot per second wind gust at
>>>Va.
>>>That translates to 3,000 ft per minute. This is weather that you only see
>>>in
>>>squall lines or high winds in mountains. lets get off that full control
>>>deflection stuff at cruising speed and recognize that weather breaks more
>>>airframes.
>>>
>>>
>>>If the 601XL is so touchy in pitch, lets fix it. How about new control
>>>geometry or an antiservo tab? Why do we live with it? Or maybe its just
>>>weather.
>>>
>>>Sorry about the rant. Lets stop blaming the pilot until the facts are in.
>>>I
>>>so wanted to stay out of this.
>>>
>>>Bob Dingley
>>>601XL plans building Do Not Archive
>>>
>>>
>>>**************
>>>A Good Credit Score is
>>>700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!
>>>%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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