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1. 09:29 AM - First Conditional Inspection Report (Sabrina)
2. 09:54 AM - Re: First Conditional Inspection Report-Off topic, MC safety (Frank Roskind)
3. 10:09 AM - Re: First Conditional Inspection Report (Paul Mulwitz)
4. 10:49 AM - Re: First Conditional Inspection Report (Art Gibeaut)
5. 12:01 PM - Re: First Conditional Inspection Report (Ron Lendon)
6. 12:22 PM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
7. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: First Conditional Inspection Report (Craig Payne)
8. 12:57 PM - Sorry guys, Another IFR question (Rich Simmons)
9. 03:05 PM - Re: Re: D-100 (Bill Naumuk)
10. 03:33 PM - Re: Sorry guys, Another IFR question (Paul Mulwitz)
11. 04:22 PM - Re: D-100 (Sabrina)
12. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: D-100 (Bill Naumuk)
13. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: D-100 (Bill Naumuk)
14. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: D-100 (Craig Payne)
15. 06:32 PM - HDS fuel system (601corvair)
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| Subject: | First Conditional Inspection Report |
With rudder cables properly tensioned for flight, they rest upon the lower aft
longerons in the aft fuselage with the bungee removed. This would mean that
a grass strip flyer who would routinely use the full stroke of the nose gear
may want to inspect those two longerons for markings and add anti-abrasion materials
or additional fairleads.
Main spar bolt torques. Since nylo nuts were used I added 20 in/lbs to the torque
values.
The 12 bolt torques were checked: all inboard and all outboard bolts remained
torqued as they had been upon original inspection. ALL four middle bolts (2
on each side, one upper, one lower) lost 16-20 in/lbs of torque. The same inspector
used the same torque wrench during both the original and conditional inspection.
Most aircraft sevice manuals I have read, raise a caution flag when
more than 25% of bolts fall below torque. Here, they did not fall below
minimal torque but did fall from where they were originally set.
Anti-wear strips were added 'just in case' in the aft fuselage floor, the four
'middle' main spar nuts were brought back up to par from the low end of proper
torque, N5886Q was signed off and is flying again.
:o)
On a side note: I am the proud recipient of a brand new 2009 Harley 883 Low...
I could use some riding advice via PM or e-mail...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233887#233887
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| Subject: | First Conditional Inspection Report-Off topic, MC safety |
For riding safety=2C I would urge you to take courses from the Motorcycle S
afety Foundation (http://www.msf-usa.org/)
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> Subject: Zenith-List: First Conditional Inspection Report
> From: chicago2paris@msn.com
> Date: Mon=2C 9 Mar 2009 09:27:37 -0700
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>
>
> With rudder cables properly tensioned for flight=2C they rest upon the lo
wer aft longerons in the aft fuselage with the bungee removed. This would m
ean that a grass strip flyer who would routinely use the full stroke of the
nose gear may want to inspect those two longerons for markings and add ant
i-abrasion materials or additional fairleads.
>
> Main spar bolt torques. Since nylo nuts were used I added 20 in/lbs to th
e torque values.
>
> The 12 bolt torques were checked: all inboard and all outboard bolts rema
ined torqued as they had been upon original inspection. ALL four =9Cm
iddle bolts=9D (2 on each side=2C one upper=2C one lower) lost 16-20
in/lbs of torque. The same inspector used the same torque wrench during bot
h the original and conditional inspection. Most aircraft sevice manuals I h
ave read=2C raise a caution flag when more than 25% of bolts fall below tor
que. Here=2C they did not fall below minimal torque but did fall from where
they were originally set.
>
> Anti-wear strips were added 'just in case' in the aft fuselage floor=2C t
he four 'middle' main spar nuts were brought back up to par from the low en
d of proper torque=2C N5886Q was signed off and is flying again.
>
> :o)
>
> On a side note: I am the proud recipient of a brand new 2009 Harley 883 L
ow... I could use some riding advice via PM or e-mail...
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233887#233887
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| Subject: | Re: First Conditional Inspection Report |
Hi Sabrina,
Conventional wisdom - if you survive the first 6 months of motorcycle
riding then you have a long life expectancy. Just drive like
everyone out there is trying to kill you - because they are.
Paul
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At 09:27 AM 3/9/2009, you wrote:
>On a side note: I am the proud recipient of a brand new 2009 Harley
>883 Low... I could use some riding advice via PM or e-mail...
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Conditional Inspection Report |
Paul is right Sabrina. I think one of the major reasons that aviators make good
motorcyclists, and vice versa, is we tend to have an acute sense of situational
awareness.
I drive the motorcycle very defensively and it pays. Fifty years of riding without
an accident. Good luck.
----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net>
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 12:07:47 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: First Conditional Inspection Report
Hi Sabrina,
Conventional wisdom - if you survive the first 6 months of motorcycle riding then
you have a long life expectancy. Just drive like everyone out there is trying
to kill you - because they are.
Paul
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At 09:27 AM 3/9/2009, you wrote:
> On a side note: I am the proud recipient of a brand new 2009 Harley 883 Low...
I could use some riding advice via PM or e-mail...
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Conditional Inspection Report |
Sabrina,
Ride as if no one can see you. It only takes a thumb width at arms length to make
a motorcycle and rider disappear. You are invisible but not invulnerable.
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I'm planning on riding mine down to SnF this year.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Corvair Engine Prints:
http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233912#233912
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder |
Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EST
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Click on the link on the page.
George
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| Subject: | Re: First Conditional Inspection Report |
Psychologically people judge the distance of a "car" by the spacing of the
headlights. So a motorcycle looks like a car that is very far away.
Also riding a bike should make you very aware of the road surface - wet
leaves or sand aren't very important to a car but they can dump a bike.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lendon
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:58 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First Conditional Inspection Report
Sabrina,
Ride as if no one can see you. It only takes a thumb width at arms length
to make a motorcycle and rider disappear. You are invisible but not
invulnerable.
do not archive
I'm planning on riding mine down to SnF this year.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Corvair Engine Prints:
http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233912#233912
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| Subject: | Sorry guys, Another IFR question |
In prelude to the question:
This Saturday I experienced my first IFR, (not simulated) flight . What an awesome
experience but at the same time eye opening. I never realized the amount of
turbulance in the clouds that occurs. I guess I had a false notion of what it
was like to be honest with you. Anyhow, my eyes have been opened and I am looking
forward to my next learning experience under those condition. Busting through
the tops is absolutely awsome. Staying in IMC conditions is challangeing!
I love flying!
Anyhow, after reviewing the wing loading values for the XL compared to the Cherokee
I was flying and a few other common aircraft, I am now wondering how it would
be in the XL. Is it worth the expense of setting the XL up for IFR flight.
My question is , is there any of you out there actually flying the XL, in IFR conditions
(some IMC) and if so to what extent and what can you tell me about it.
Again, it's another question that may be somewhat open ended but I would like
to know what I can really expect out of the airplane.
If you want, feel free to contact me off list.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Thanks for your time
Rich Simmons
601XL
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Sabrina-
No, you wouldn't. When I decided to go with the B+C kit @ $72.50, it was
a deal because pre-made cables were $150. Now you can get the pre-made
cables for $79.95. Not worth the trouble.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:54 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: D-100
>
> Bill,
>
> I wish had gone your route. I just looked over the online manual for the
> D100, it seems pretty straight forward if you stick to the PIN9 is this,
> PIN10 is this etc., as described in the various tables.
>
> So, use the tables and the numbers on the connectors. The schematic is
> there as a back up and really not needed except to point out which wires
> are shielded and which are not.
>
> http://www.dynonavionics.com/downloads/Install_Guides/EFIS-D100%20Installation%20Guide.pdf
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233827#233827
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry guys, Another IFR question |
Hi Rich,
I don't plan to fly my Zodiac XL under IFR rules. However, I felt it
important for safety reasons to have a complete gyro panel. Legally,
I can only fly VFR/Day, but that doesn't prevent me from finding
myself in "Grey" conditions where it is impossible to fly the plane
just by outside reference. Similar conditions can be found in
VFR/Night flying.
These sorts of requirements don't add up to complete IFR
equipment. You don't need the extra certification of the
Pitot/Static system, and redundant power and instruments to cover
failures. In my case, a Dynon EFIS provides all the necessary
instruments. It is reasonable to depend on a single device for these
needs since the possibility of broken equipment and surprise IMC is
too much bad luck to plan for.
I suppose if I were really interested in hard IFR flying - the kind
that makes your flying more like commercial transportation than
recreation - I would opt for a larger and heavier plane - probably a C-182.
Good luck,
Paul
XL getting close
At 12:55 PM 3/9/2009, you wrote:
>Anyhow, after reviewing the wing loading values for the XL compared
>to the Cherokee I was flying and a few other common aircraft, I am
>now wondering how it would be in the XL. Is it worth the expense of
>setting the XL up for IFR flight.
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Bill,
I am sure you know this, but you should run the shielded wire bundle through the
aircraft before installing the pins and DB9 connector for the D10A... I used
SS rudder cables and mounted the D10A with SS rivets/hardware as far back in
the tail as I could get it... some DB9 connectors are ferrous, some are plastic
w/non-ferrous hardware...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233962#233962
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Sabrina-
I have a D-100.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:21 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: D-100
>
> Bill,
>
> I am sure you know this, but you should run the shielded wire bundle
> through the aircraft before installing the pins and DB9 connector for the
> D10A... I used SS rudder cables and mounted the D10A with SS
> rivets/hardware as far back in the tail as I could get it... some DB9
> connectors are ferrous, some are plastic w/non-ferrous hardware...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233962#233962
>
>
>
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Sabrina-
I now realize you were talking about the remote compass, rather than a
D-10/D-100. Another lister said you could mount the remote comass forward.
I'll see how that works but have a backup plan.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:21 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: D-100
>
> Bill,
>
> I am sure you know this, but you should run the shielded wire bundle
> through the aircraft before installing the pins and DB9 connector for the
> D10A... I used SS rudder cables and mounted the D10A with SS
> rivets/hardware as far back in the tail as I could get it... some DB9
> connectors are ferrous, some are plastic w/non-ferrous hardware...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233962#233962
>
>
>
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You can also mount compass sensors in the wing tip.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: D-100
Sabrina-
I now realize you were talking about the remote compass, rather than a
D-10/D-100. Another lister said you could mount the remote comass forward.
I'll see how that works but have a backup plan.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:21 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: D-100
>
> Bill,
>
> I am sure you know this, but you should run the shielded wire bundle
> through the aircraft before installing the pins and DB9 connector for the
> D10A... I used SS rudder cables and mounted the D10A with SS
> rivets/hardware as far back in the tail as I could get it... some DB9
> connectors are ferrous, some are plastic w/non-ferrous hardware...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233962#233962
>
>
>
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Hello All:
We are considering the fuel system for our HDS.- We have leading edge win
g tanks, which provide fuel in front of the spar.- The canopy is one of t
he first forward tilting and we have no header tank and will be fueling a c
orvair engine. We have custom dual sticks behind the spar and tricycle gear
.-- We would like to use all 3/8 th inch braided steel line.--- D
oes anyone have experience with this setup? How did you place the fuel line
s?- In an ideal situation we would like to have dual electric fuel pumps
on the firewall, but are flexible.- We would really appreciate any insigh
t from someone who has built one.- This is NOT an XL.- There are just e
nough differences to make this challenging.- But the
design does have
the- advantage that the wings seem to flap
less :-). Thanks phill
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