Zenith-List Digest Archive

Wed 03/11/09


Total Messages Posted: 28



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:49 AM - Sun-N-Fun BBQ (ZodieRocket)
     2. 05:20 AM - Zenith Aero (ZodieRocket)
     3. 06:22 AM - Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle Advice (ZodieRocket)
     4. 06:38 AM - Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle Advice (Gig Giacona)
     5. 07:24 AM - Off Topic - Motorcycle vs. Clydesdale (ZodieRocket)
     6. 07:36 AM - Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle vs. Clydesdale (Sabrina)
     7. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle vs. Clydesdale (ZodieRocket)
     8. 02:05 PM - 601XL Fuel System Questions (crvsecretary@aol.com)
     9. 02:59 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel System Questions (jaybannist@cs.com)
    10. 03:28 PM - Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle Advice (Ron Lendon)
    11. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: D-100 (Bill Naumuk)
    12. 03:41 PM - Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle vs. Clydesdale ()
    13. 04:09 PM - Corvair Intake ()
    14. 04:10 PM - Corvair Intake ()
    15. 04:50 PM - Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle vs. Clydesdale (Ronald Steele)
    16. 04:55 PM - Re: Corvair Intake (Bryan Martin)
    17. 05:07 PM - Remote compass (Bill Naumuk)
    18. 05:27 PM - Re: Corvair Intake (Lawrence Webber)
    19. 05:31 PM - Re: Crank shaft update ()
    20. 05:33 PM - Re: Remote compass (Craig Payne)
    21. 05:47 PM - Re: Corvair Intake ()
    22. 05:52 PM - Crankshaft update ()
    23. 06:52 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel System Questions (Bryan Martin)
    24. 07:02 PM - Re: Remote compass (Bryan Martin)
    25. 07:05 PM - Re: Corvair Intake (Roger & Lina Hill)
    26. 07:32 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel System Questions (Carroll Jernigan)
    27. 09:02 PM - Re: Corvair Intake (Ianrat)
    28. 10:25 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel System Questions (Bryan Martin)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:49:41 AM PST US
    From: "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
    Subject: Sun-N-Fun BBQ
    All Going to Sun-N-Fun, the Annual BBQ is being held on Thursday evening, Please click on the link below to sign up, or if your just thinking of joining there is button to just make us aware. Those not attending, can click on the link and just say not attending then if you have not visited the Zenith.aero site before please spend a few moments to look around. http://www.zenith.aero/events/2009-annual-sunnfun-bbq Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. 519-590-7601 www.canzac.ca Canadian Dealer for Zenith Aircraft Kits, Zenair Designs.


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    Time: 05:20:12 AM PST US
    From: "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
    Subject: Zenith Aero
    Hi Dave , I wrote this big long letter, and after an hour of work I deleted all of it, their was nothing in it that I have not said before, I am writing to invite you to the www.zenith.aero <http://www.zenith.aero/> list. It is a better format then the Matronics list in my opinion and has over a thousand members already. It allows blogs and is a great resource of information and interest. Since going to www.zenith.aero <http://www.zenith.aero/> list I do not keep as close a watch on the 6 Matronics lists that concern Zenith designs, I enjoyed it when it was only one list, not 6 different ones. Plus for you I have set up a Canadian Builders section that deals with Canadian content for Zenith Owners and builders, gatherings and notices of events, come over and have a visit. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. 519-590-7601 www.canzac.ca Canadian Dealer for Zenith Aircraft Kits, Zenair Designs. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: crash B.S. Could we give this subject a rest, please. And don't forget the do not archive, because we won't want to go searching this stuff anytime. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912


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    Time: 06:22:48 AM PST US
    From: "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
    Subject: Off Topic - Motorcycle Advice
    HI Sabrina, congrats on the bike, it is an adventure only surpassed by the airplane. Over the years I have taught the Motorcycle safety course many times and it is worth every cent you can put into it. However, do not stop there, the first course uses basic bikes to train you on and they are well suited for learning the basics. I advise you to find out if an advanced course is available. After your basic course is done then ride for a couple of months and enroll in the advanced course. In this, you will be using your own bike to perform maneuvers. This makes a huge difference, I have taught many people who did quite well on the basic course, but had difficulties in the advanced course with their Goldwing. Knowing the limits and handling of the bike you ride is extremely important. Over the years the only bike I put down was a Yamaha FJ1100, but that was during a race at Shannonville and I slipped out in the 3rd bend( wear full leathers, or minimum jeans and always wear gloves, helmets are mandatory in Canada). My Goldwing has gone down the road several times with the rear tire ahead of the front due to ice or oil and over the years I have hit several animals like deer, Clydesdale horse, gator, armadillo. All of which I can refer to the lessons learned and taught at the safety course, with several hundred thousand miles on my bike it has still never left the rubber. I can add several pages of advice here but all will be taught to you at the course. Enjoy, be safe by being alert and ahead of the drivers around you and keep the rubber down. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. 519-590-7601 www.canzac.ca Canadian Dealer for Zenith Aircraft Kits, Zenair Designs. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ihab.awad@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Off Topic - Motorcycle Advice My two cents' worth: I don't ride a motorcycle but I do ride a bicycle every day to and from work, rain and shine, daytime or dark. Based on that (harrowing) experience, I will posit that, if a motorcycle safety course is available in your area, you should take it. Ihab do not archive -- Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA


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    Time: 06:38:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle Advice
    From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
    You hit a Clydesdale horse? There has to be a story to go with that. DO NOT Archive. -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234196#234196


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    Time: 07:24:52 AM PST US
    From: "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
    Subject: Off Topic - Motorcycle vs. Clydesdale
    4 am I was riding the wife's Yamaha Venture Royale going up a 4 lane highway ( 2 on each side separated by a grass median )all alone, I was tired and traveling at 60 mph in the left lane close to centerline, when out of almost no where there is this huge horse in my lane. I was able to bank the bike quick enough to go just pass the ass of the horse but my lower cowling and hwy peg caught the rear leg of the horse and the bike did a little rear tire dance. This was the lucky part! Due to the bike getting swung around a bit and my correction for the force applied I found myself in the opposite lean returning to the center of the lane I had just left, when out of nowhere again the face of a second horse passed over my right shoulder, this was a smaller horse and was following the Clydesdale. If it wasn't for the swing from hitting the first horse I would have impacted the second dead on from my maneuver to miss the first horse. Shaken I got to a pay phone and called the police, (didn't have a cell in the 80's) and we tracked the horse to a farm. The story I was told a few days later is that the owner of the horses had moved from the farm in which we found the horses to a new one and the horses got out of the new pen and headed for the old farm. THE Clydesdale was treated for a cut on its leg and recovered, so I was told(dam strong horse as it bent the crash bar that the Highway peg was attached to) the farmer was not charged for the horses escaping. I went on with an amazing story to tell my students over the years. Nevertheless, I still can see that night as if it just happened. Funniest part is that I can still see the details of the second horses brown head with the white spot in the dead center running down it's nose. I swear to god that when I snapped my head as I saw the second horse pass my right mirror it was not further then a foot from his nose to my nose. I didn't even have time or had fully recovered from the correction to look back at what the hell had just happened when the second horse appeared beside me, likely another lucky break. Even though this Is one of those memorable stories that we all have from our past, it is by no means my only adventure, I have hunting stories from my past that have chilled people. Yes I used to also instruct the Bow Hunters Safety course. Every Spring I would take a student on there first Bear hunt with Bow and Arrow. But that is for a campground and a fire. Mark Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:38 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle Advice You hit a Clydesdale horse? There has to be a story to go with that. DO NOT Archive. -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234196#234196


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    Time: 07:36:42 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle vs. Clydesdale
    From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
    OK Mark, this bear just showed up for Christmas, no one admits sending it... was it you? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234205#234205 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tim_412.jpg


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    Time: 07:48:21 AM PST US
    From: "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
    Subject: Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle vs. Clydesdale
    Sorry Sabrina, typically any bear that passes me ends smoked into hams in the freezer. Mark Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sabrina Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle vs. Clydesdale OK Mark, this bear just showed up for Christmas, no one admits sending it... was it you? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234205#234205 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tim_412.jpg


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    Time: 02:05:31 PM PST US
    Subject: 601XL Fuel System Questions
    From: crvsecretary@aol.com
    Hello Listers: I have a question to ask the more experienced builders of the group regarding the fuel tanks & plumbing of the fuel syatem on my 601XL.? I am working on the right wing so i have lots of opportunity to make changes - since everything I am questioning hasn't been built yet ! I am considering using a return line to the tanks and a restrictive orifice (a 'controlled leak') at the carb to maintain fuel flow PAST the carb to reduce and possibly eliminate the chance of vapor lock in my plane.? With regard to changes to the original Zenith design, I see this would require: a T-fitting and orifice at the carb, return lines to the fuel selector valve, a new fuel selector valve (VERY EXPENSIVE) with a return segment, return plumbing to each tank, and tank modifications to accept a fuel line.? I'm not a welder so I would need to find one to modify the tank, as well as getting a proper fitting to weld into the tank. My questions are many: is all this worth it?? As I see it, yes.....ALL modern?automotive designs incorporate a return line to the tank (yes, I know they are fuel injected, but that's a whole other issue).? There has been some discussion regarding fuel selector valves: in that they represent a single point of failure potential.? Would on-off ball valved be a better solution?? Please...I'd like opinions on this.? My thoughts are to use rigid tube in the fuselage...does anyone have a primer or a good website on the proper way to bend rigid tube and the best way to anchor it? Speaking of primers - this time engine primers:? I recently purchased an engine peimer that is tapped to accept 1/8 NPT pipe fittings.? I am looking for 2 fittings: 1/8 male NPT to 1/4" barb, and 1/8 male NPT to that I believe is 1/16" copper tube compression which goes to the primer nozzles in the intake manifold.? Where do?I get these tiny fittings ? ACS had very little to offer. Thank you in advance for your help.? I have been at a standstill for a long time about this and I welcome all thoughts and opinions. Regards, Tracy Smith Zenith Zodiac 601XL N458XL (reserved) ?


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    Time: 02:59:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 601XL Fuel System Questions
    From: jaybannist@cs.com
    Tracy, In my not-so humble opinion, you are WAY overthinking this.? The 601XL is a very simple airplane, comparatively.? It is not a super blow-down high speed pressurized twin with fuel injection, constant speed props and many fuel tanks.? The system ZAC envisioned for the airplane is entirely adequate. ?? All of the things you are contemplating just add complication and more points of failure; making building more difficult and time-consuming; and adding unnecessary inspection and maintenance chores. My 601XL has the ZAC supplied rubber hose from the tanks to the dual stick bulkheads and braided 6AN line from there to the selector valve, fuel pumps and carburetor.? I have a Corvair engine with a MA3-SPA carb, thus no primer is needed - very simple. My advice: KISS and keep building. Jay Bannister -----Original Message----- Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel System Questions Hello Listers: I have a question to ask the more experienced builders of the group regarding the fuel tanks & plumbing of the fuel syatem on my 601XL.? I am working on the right wing so i have lots of opportunity to make changes - since everything I am questioning hasn't been built yet ! I am considering using a return line to the tanks and a restrictive orifice (a 'controlled leak') at the carb to maintain fuel flow PAST the carb to reduce and possibly eliminate the chance of vapor lock in my plane.? With regard to changes to the original Zenith design, I see this would require: a T-fitting and orifice at the carb, return lines to the fuel selector valve, a new fuel selector valve (VERY EXPENSIVE) with a return segment, return plumbing to each tank, and tank modifications to accept a fuel line.? I'm not a welder so I would need to find one to modify the tank, as well as getting a proper fitting to weld into the tank. My questions are many: is all this worth it?? As I see it, yes.....ALL modern?automotive designs incorporate a return line to the tank (yes, I know they are fuel injected, but that's a whole other issue).? There has been some discussion regarding fuel selector valves: in that they represent a single point of failure potential.? Would on-off ball valved be a better solution?? Please...I'd like opinions on this.? My thoughts are to use rigid tube in the fuselage...does anyone have a primer or a good website on the proper way to bend rigid tube and the best way to anchor it? Speaking of primers - this time engine primers:? I recently purchased an engine peimer that is tapped to accept 1/8 NPT pipe fittings.? I am looking for 2 fittings: 1/8 male NPT to 1/4" barb, and 1/8 male NPT to that I believe is 1/16" copper tube compression which goes to the primer nozzles in the intake manifold.? Where do?I get these tiny fittings ? ACS had very little to offer. Thank you in advance for your help.? I have been at a standstill for a long time about this and I welcome all thoughts and opinions. Regards, Tracy Smith Zenith Zodiac 601XL N458XL (reserved) ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com


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    Time: 03:28:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle Advice
    From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
    Sabrina, Like Mark said, take the advanced course. I had been riding many years before I took that course and wished I had done it when I was much younger. It really teaches you how to control the equipment in ways I had never thought about. I am a much safer rider now as the result of the advanced course. do not archive -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Corvair Engine Prints: http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234260#234260


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    Time: 03:40:56 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: D-100
    Craig- 1. I have a belly strobe rather than tip strobes. 2. If I do go with the wing installation, I'll restrain where I can and add additional shrink wrap on the outside of the cable to those areas of possible abrasion. I had a plan B until I mounted my solenoid on the tray I put in mounted behind the seats. I could move the solenoid, but then I'll eventually be installing the access steps and that will probably screw things up. I could solve the problem by eliminate putting on the access steps yada, yada, yada. If the remote compass isn't happy in the starboard outboard wing, it's not going to work. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:13 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: D-100 > > Just be aware of possible interference from the wires to the strobe (if > you > have any). > > The wings of my first XL were also closed when I bought it. The tip was > accessible but I was worried about retaining the wires running back to the > wing root through the lightning holes. I thought about clamping some > lightweight tube at both ends (and possibly in the middle through an > inspection hole) but never implemented the idea. Have you thought of a > solution? > > -- Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:54 PM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: D-100 > > > Craig- > After staring at the wings in my basement, a wing mount is still > possible because I haven't riveted my fiberglass tips yet. After running a > whiskey compass around my airframe I agree, you probably can't find a > better > > location. Good idea- thanks. > > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@windstream.net> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: D-100 > > >> >> Craig- >> Yeah, if you're 4 inches tall and can duck under the (Riveted) skin!! >> >> Bill >> do not archive >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com> >> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:26 PM >> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: D-100 >> >> >>> <craig@craigandjean.com> >>> >>> You can also mount compass sensors in the wing tip. >>> >>> -- Craig >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk >>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:54 PM >>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: D-100 >>> >>> >>> Sabrina- >>> I now realize you were talking about the remote compass, rather than >>> a >>> D-10/D-100. Another lister said you could mount the remote compass >>> forward. >>> I'll see how that works but have a backup plan. >>> Bill >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com> >>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com> >>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:21 PM >>> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: D-100 >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Bill, >>>> >>>> I am sure you know this, but you should run the shielded wire bundle >>>> through the aircraft before installing the pins and DB9 connector for >>>> the >>>> D10A... I used SS rudder cables and mounted the D10A with SS >>>> rivets/hardware as far back in the tail as I could get it... some DB9 >>>> connectors are ferrous, some are plastic w/non-ferrous hardware... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233962#233962 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 03:41:09 PM PST US
    From: <paulrod36@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle vs. Clydesdale
    Yeah, you better watch out, Mark, the Budweiser people know where you live............ Paul Rodriguez DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: ZodieRocket<mailto:zodierocket@hsfx.ca> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Off Topic - Motorcycle vs. Clydesdale <zodierocket@hsfx.ca<mailto:zodierocket@hsfx.ca>> 4 am I was riding the wife's Yamaha Venture Royale going up a 4 lane highway ( 2 on each side separated by a grass median )all alone, I was tired and traveling at 60 mph in the left lane close to centerline, when out of almost no where there is this huge horse in my lane. I was able to bank the bike quick enough to go just pass the ass of the horse but my lower cowling and hwy peg caught the rear leg of the horse and the bike did a little rear tire dance. This was the lucky part! Due to the bike getting swung around a bit and my correction for the force applied I found myself in the opposite lean returning to the center of the lane I had just left, when out of nowhere again the face of a second horse passed over my right shoulder, this was a smaller horse and was following the Clydesdale. If it wasn't for the swing from hitting the first horse I would have impacted the second dead on from my maneuver to miss the first horse. Shaken I got to a pay phone and called the police, (didn't have a cell in the 80's) and we tracked the horse to a farm. The story I was told a few days later is that the owner of the horses had moved from the farm in which we found the horses to a new one and the horses got out of the new pen and headed for the old farm. THE Clydesdale was treated for a cut on its leg and recovered, so I was told(dam strong horse as it bent the crash bar that the Highway peg was attached to) the farmer was not charged for the horses escaping. I went on with an amazing story to tell my students over the years. Nevertheless, I still can see that night as if it just happened. Funniest part is that I can still see the details of the second horses brown head with the white spot in the dead center running down it's nose. I swear to god that when I snapped my head as I saw the second horse pass my right mirror it was not further then a foot from his nose to my nose. I didn't even have time or had fully recovered from the correction to look back at what the hell had just happened when the second horse appeared beside me, likely another lucky break. Even though this Is one of those memorable stories that we all have from our past, it is by no means my only adventure, I have hunting stories from my past that have chilled people. Yes I used to also instruct the Bow Hunters Safety course. Every Spring I would take a student on there first Bear hunt with Bow and Arrow. But that is for a campground and a fire. Mark Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@ma tronics.com> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:38 AM To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle Advice <wrgiacona@gmail.com<mailto:wrgiacona@gmail.com>> You hit a Clydesdale horse? There has to be a story to go with that. DO NOT Archive. -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR<http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR> Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234196#234196<http://forums .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234196#234196> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List<http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Zenith-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on>


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    Time: 04:09:47 PM PST US
    From: <paulrod36@msn.com>
    Subject: Corvair Intake
    Homebuilers are nothing if not ingenious and adaptable, so I bring this to youse. I need an idea.........I'm having a tough time trying to bend some 1-1/8 aluminum tubing to make the intakes on the Corvair heads. So far, I've fabricated the flanges, but bending the tubing into tight 90 degree curves has me stuck. My local muffler shops have tried, but without the exact size blocks, they can't get the bends right without crushing the bend somewhere. I've looked for conduit benders, but none are the right size. As a fallback I've thought about using a wall pipe from Ace Hardware's plumbing department, (pretty chrome) but it's thin wall brass, and likely to crack from the vibration. Any ideas? How'd everybody else do it? Thanks, Paul Rodriguez


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    Time: 04:10:06 PM PST US
    From: <paulrod36@msn.com>
    Subject: Corvair Intake
    Homebuilers are nothing if not ingenious and adaptable, so I bring this to youse. I need an idea.........I'm having a tough time trying to bend some 1-1/8 aluminum tubing to make the intakes on the Corvair heads. So far, I've fabricated the flanges, but bending the tubing into tight 90 degree curves has me stuck. My local muffler shops have tried, but without the exact size blocks, they can't get the bends right without crushing the bend somewhere. I've looked for conduit benders, but none are the right size. As a fallback I've thought about using a wall pipe from Ace Hardware's plumbing department, (pretty chrome) but it's thin wall brass, and likely to crack from the vibration. Any ideas? How'd everybody else do it? Thanks, Paul Rodriguez


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    Time: 04:50:19 PM PST US
    From: Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com>
    Subject: Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle vs. Clydesdale
    I'm sure others will give better answer, but the usual way is to pack the pipe with sand before bending. They even do this on heavy wall (6 inch wall thickness) steam pipes. Ron On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:39 PM, <paulrod36@msn.com> <paulrod36@msn.com> wrote: > Yeah, you better watch out, Mark, the Budweiser people know where > you live............ > > Paul Rodriguez > DO NOT ARCHIVE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ZodieRocket > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:23 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: Off Topic - Motorcycle vs. Clydesdale > > > 4 am I was riding the wife's Yamaha Venture Royale going up a 4 lane > highway > ( 2 on each side separated by a grass median )all alone, I was tired > and > traveling at 60 mph in the left lane close to centerline, when out > of almost > no where there is this huge horse in my lane. I was able to bank the > bike > quick enough to go just pass the ass of the horse but my lower > cowling and > hwy peg caught the rear leg of the horse and the bike did a little > rear tire > dance. This was the lucky part! > Due to the bike getting swung around a bit and my correction for the > force > applied I found myself in the opposite lean returning to the center > of the > lane I had just left, when out of nowhere again the face of a second > horse > passed over my right shoulder, this was a smaller horse and was > following > the Clydesdale. If it wasn't for the swing from hitting the first > horse I > would have impacted the second dead on from my maneuver to miss the > first > horse. > > Shaken I got to a pay phone and called the police, (didn't have a > cell in > the 80's) and we tracked the horse to a farm. The story I was told a > few > days later is that the owner of the horses had moved from the farm > in which > we found the horses to a new one and the horses got out of the new > pen and > headed for the old farm. THE Clydesdale was treated for a cut on its > leg and > recovered, so I was told(dam strong horse as it bent the crash bar > that the > Highway peg was attached to) the farmer was not charged for the horses > escaping. I went on with an amazing story to tell my students over the > years. Nevertheless, I still can see that night as if it just > happened. > > Funniest part is that I can still see the details of the second > horses brown > head with the white spot in the dead center running down it's nose. > I swear > to god that when I snapped my head as I saw the second horse pass my > right > mirror it was not further then a foot from his nose to my nose. I > didn't > even have time or had fully recovered from the correction to look > back at > what the hell had just happened when the second horse appeared > beside me, > likely another lucky break. > > Even though this Is one of those memorable stories that we all have > from our > past, it is by no means my only adventure, I have hunting stories > from my > past that have chilled people. Yes I used to also instruct the Bow > Hunters > Safety course. Every Spring I would take a student on there first > Bear hunt > with Bow and Arrow. But that is for a campground and a fire. > > Mark > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig > Giacona > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:38 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Off Topic - Motorcycle Advice > > > You hit a Clydesdale horse? There has to be a story to go with that. > > DO NOT Archive. > > -------- > W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234196#234196 > > > http://www.matronnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contributionhref= > "http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ > >


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    Time: 04:55:43 PM PST US
    From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Corvair Intake
    You could build your own bending blocks out of hardwood and use a hydraulic press to do the bending. If you don't have access to a press, it wouldn't be too hard to build one out of a large bottle jack and a steel frame. I've heard that if you fill the tubing with sand and seal the ends, the tubing won't crush when you bend it. I've never tried this, just kicking around some ideas. On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:57 PM, <paulrod36@msn.com> <paulrod36@msn.com> wrote: > I need an idea.........I'm having a tough time trying to bend some > 1-1/8 aluminum tubing to make the intakes on the Corvair heads. So > far, I've fabricated the flanges, but bending the tubing into tight > 90 degree curves has me stuck. My local muffler shops have tried, > but without the exact size blocks, they can't get the bends right > without crushing the bend somewhere. I've looked for conduit > benders, but none are the right size. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive.


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    Time: 05:07:21 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@windstream.net>
    Subject: Remote compass
    All- FWIW- According to my whiskey compass, the best place to level and avoid magnetic interference between the D-100 and remote compass sender on my HDS is the baggage shelf. Nothing else comes close to being acceptable unless you used non-magnetic cables. According to Dynon, you still have to be careful because some stainless will still cause deflection. I thought things were solved re: putting the sender in the wings until Gig reminded me of the +/- 1degree sender/receiver alignment spec. In flight wing deflection would bust it. On my project I don't think I can do any better. If the installation doesn't work out so be it- I'll carve a hole in my panel, mount my whiskey compass and add another 3lbs. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%


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    Time: 05:27:09 PM PST US
    From: Lawrence Webber <lawrencewebber@HOTMAIL.COM>
    Subject: Corvair Intake
    pAUL go to homers or lowes and go to bathdept buy some SS safety hand rails already curved 1 piece will do both sides of intake cut to angle you want cost 20 $ go to junk yard get piece of ss flat about 3$ weld and drill some of them even have a dimpled non slip surface for the hose to secure to Larry 601xl corvair chugger From: paulrod36@msn.com Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair Intake Homebuilers are nothing if not ingenious and adaptable=2C so I bring this t o youse. I need an idea.........I'm having a tough time trying to bend som e 1-1/8 aluminum tubing to make the intakes on the Corvair heads. So far =2C I've fabricated the flanges=2C but bending the tubing into tight 90 deg ree curves has me stuck. My local muffler shops have tried=2C but without t he exact size blocks=2C they can't get the bends right without crushing the bend somewhere. I've looked for conduit benders=2C but none are the right size. As a fallback I've thought about using a wall pipe from Ace Hardware 's plumbing department=2C (pretty chrome) but it's thin wall brass=2C and l ikely to crack from the vibration. Any ideas? How'd everybody else do it? Thanks=2C Paul Rodriguez _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_03200 9


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    Time: 05:31:40 PM PST US
    From: <paulrod36@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Crank shaft update
    Ref your Jan 2008 message, are you still doing crankshafts? I'm ready to get mine done, and your price (at least, as of the date of your message), is HALF what Nitron charges. Paul Rodriguez ----- Original Message ----- From: Aerolitellc@aol.com<mailto:Aerolitellc@aol.com> To: corvaircraft@mylist.net<mailto:corvaircraft@mylist.net> ; zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Crank shaft update For those of you that have sent me your crankshafts I have added a new status page to the web site for you to see the progress and at what stage your crank is at. I have e mailed most of you with your customer #'S and will be sending the rest of the customer #'S later today. We are using a number system to protect your privacy. Aerolite has also learned that a price increase was coming that would have doubled the price for Nitrideing but due to Aerolite's long relationship with our Nitrider they have agreed to hold the current price for the foreseeable future. For those that just want to have your crank Nitrided without the machining done the price will be $125.00 + shipping for a 48 hour process. Most nitrider's only process cranks for 24 hours and charge you more. The new web page address is http://www.aeroliteproducts.com/Crankshaft_Status.html<http://www.aerolit eproducts.com/Crankshaft_Status.html> Thanks Jeff www.areoliteproducts.com<http://www.areoliteproducts.com/> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.<http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=ao lcmp00300000002548> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List<http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Zenith-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on>


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    Time: 05:33:59 PM PST US
    From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
    Subject: Remote compass
    Is the +/- 1 degree requirement on all three axis? You could try a real-world test: plug the sensor into the D-100, simulate the roll it would see as the wing flexed and see if it actually affected the heading display. Maybe RV's are stiffer because I'm pretty sure I've seen the sensor in their wing tips. What do they say on the Dynon forums? -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:06 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Remote compass All- FWIW- According to my whiskey compass, the best place to level and avoid magnetic interference between the D-100 and remote compass sender on my HDS is the baggage shelf. Nothing else comes close to being acceptable unless you used non-magnetic cables. According to Dynon, you still have to be careful because some stainless will still cause deflection. I thought things were solved re: putting the sender in the wings until Gig reminded me of the +/- 1degree sender/receiver alignment spec. In flight wing deflection would bust it. On my project I don't think I can do any better. If the installation doesn't work out so be it- I'll carve a hole in my panel, mount my whiskey compass and add another 3lbs. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%


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    Time: 05:47:57 PM PST US
    From: <paulrod36@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Corvair Intake
    EUREKA!! I knew I could count on the list. Since She Who Must Be Obeyed works at Lowe's I not only get a solution, but I get it at discount, besides. Thankya, thankya ver' much! ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Webber<mailto:lawrencewebber@HOTMAIL.COM> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair Intake pAUL go to homers or lowes and go to bathdept buy some SS safety hand rails already curved 1 piece will do both sides of intake cut to angle you want cost 20 $ go to junk yard get piece of ss flat about 3$ weld and drill some of them even have a dimpled non slip surface for the hose to secure to Larry 601xl corvair chugger ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: paulrod36@msn.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair Intake Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:57:32 -0500 Homebuilers are nothing if not ingenious and adaptable, so I bring this to youse. I need an idea.........I'm having a tough time trying to bend some 1-1/8 aluminum tubing to make the intakes on the Corvair heads. So far, I've fabricated the flanges, but bending the tubing into tight 90 degree curves has me stuck. My local muffler shops have tried, but without the exact size blocks, they can't get the bends right without crushing the bend somewhere. I've looked for conduit benders, but none are the right size. As a fallback I've thought about using a wall pipe from Ace Hardware's plumbing department, (pretty chrome) but it's thin wall brass, and likely to crack from the vibration. Any ideas? How'd everybody else do it? Thanks, Paul Rodriguez >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Hotmail=AE is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Find out more.<http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70fast er_032009> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List<http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Zenith-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on>


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    Time: 05:52:32 PM PST US
    From: <paulrod36@msn.com>
    Subject: Crankshaft update
    Sorry, guys, I meant to send that to Aerolitellc, and inadvertently put it on the list. Disregard. Paul Rodriguez DO NO ARCHIVE


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    Time: 06:52:01 PM PST US
    From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: 601XL Fuel System Questions
    Modern auto designs have return lines to the tanks BECAUSE they are fuel injected, and for no other reason. The the fuel pump is in the tank and pumps high pressure fuel to the engine. A fuel pressure regulator maintains a constant pressure for the injectors, a certain amount of fuel must bypass the regulator for this to occur. This low pressure bypass fuel is returned to the tank. If you don't have a fuel injected engine, installing return lines to the tanks is going to make your system way more complicated than necessary. Vapor lock is a phenomenon that occurs at the fuel pump, not the carburetor. It occurs when the fuel at the inlet of the pump is vaporized. The fuel pump is designed to pump liquid, not vapor, so the fuel stops flowing. Putting an orifice at the carburetor won't help this situation. Vapor at the carburetor is not a problem as long as fuel is still flowing up behind it to push it on through. The way to prevent vapor lock is to make sure that the fuel pump always gets supplied with liquid fuel. Two things can vaporize fuel: suction and high temperature (or a combination of the two). Sucking fuel uphill from the tanks in a low wing airplane with a fuel pump mounted on a hot engine block in a hot engine compartment is one good way to end up with vapor lock. Especially if you are using auto gas. Avgas is more resistant vaporization. The most likely scenario for vapor lock is fuel in low wing tanks, pump mounted on the engine, hot day, full throttle and nose high attitude. In other words, right after takeoff. Your fuel pump should be located near the low point of the system so it always gets gravity feed from the tanks. Just ahead of the gascolator is good. Some people have put the fuel pumps right at the outlet of the tanks. this also works well but puts pressurized fuel through all the lines in the cabin. You should avoid having anything upstream from the pump that can cause a significant restriction to flow, this will cause a pressure drop and increase the risk of vaporization. If you have an engine mounted mechanical pump, you should have an electric boost pump mounted ahead of it and use it for take off to make sure the engine mounted pump always gets liquid fuel. I have two ball valves in my system, one for each tank, mounted on the floor ahead of the spar on either side of the rudder cable tunnel. That was the way the system was originally designed. It's simple, effective and inexpensive. I never saw any reason to put a fancy, expensive selector valve in there. The valves feed fuel into a tee fitting at the gascolator and I have two fuel pumps in parallel on the floor just ahead of that. The fuel lines slope downhill all the way from the tanks to the gascolator and the pumps are at the same level as the outlet of that. Then the fuel line slopes uphill to the carburetors. I've never had any hint of a problem with vapor lock with this setup. I used 3/8" O.D. 3003 aluminum tube from the tanks to the valves. Mainly because hoses will eventually have to be replaced and I didn't want to have to dig into the wing root area to replace fuel lines. I used hoses everywhere else. I was planning to use aluminum, but the hose was easier to install and it will be easily accessible when it comes time to replace it. For your fittings, you have to remember, hose fittings are sized by the I.D. of the hose and tube fittings are sized by the O.D of the tube. So if you are looking for a fitting for a 1/16" I.D. tube, it will be listed under 1/8" O.D. fittings. Here's your hose fitting: AN840 HOSE NIPPLE, PIPE THREAD http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/an840.php There is an error in the above web page, the column that reads Tube O.D. should read Hose I.D. For your tube fitting, maybe this is what you are looking for: primer fitting AN780-2, AN800, AN805 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/primerfittings.php Although I think this is a flare fitting, not a compression fitting. On Mar 11, 2009, at 5:03 PM, crvsecretary@aol.com wrote: > I am considering using a return line to the tanks and a restrictive > orifice (a 'controlled leak') at the carb to maintain fuel flow PAST > the carb to reduce and possibly eliminate the chance of vapor lock > in my plane. With regard to changes to the original Zenith design, > I see this would require: > > a T-fitting and orifice at the carb, return lines to the fuel > selector valve, a new fuel selector valve (VERY EXPENSIVE) with a > return segment, return plumbing to each tank, and tank modifications > to accept a fuel line. I'm not a welder so I would need to find one > to modify the tank, as well as getting a proper fitting to weld into > the tank. > > My questions are many: is all this worth it? As I see it, > yes.....ALL modern automotive designs incorporate a return line to > the tank (yes, I know they are fuel injected, but that's a whole > other issue). There has been some discussion regarding fuel > selector valves: in that they represent a single point of failure > potential. Would on-off ball valved be a better solution? > Please...I'd like opinions on this. > > My thoughts are to use rigid tube in the fuselage...does anyone have > a primer or a good website on the proper way to bend rigid tube and > the best way to anchor it? > > Speaking of primers - this time engine primers: I recently > purchased an engine peimer that is tapped to accept 1/8 NPT pipe > fittings. I am looking for 2 fittings: > > 1/8 male NPT to 1/4" barb, and 1/8 male NPT to that I believe is > 1/16" copper tube compression which goes to the primer nozzles in > the intake manifold. Where do I get these tiny fittings ? > ACS had very little to offer. > > Thank you in advance for your help. I have been at a standstill for > a long time about this and I welcome all thoughts and opinions. > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.


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    Time: 07:02:42 PM PST US
    From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Remote compass
    I have a $10 automotive compass from Meijer mounted with double sided tape to the canopy above the panel. It is marked in degrees, has adjustable compensators and weighs about 4 oz. It's accurate, and meets all the FAA requirements for a magnetic heading indicator. I sold the $150 aircraft compass because I couldn't get to adjust properly in any location that I could mount it. On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Bill Naumuk wrote: > On my project I don't think I can do any better. If the > installation doesn't work out so be it- I'll carve a hole in my > panel, mount my whiskey compass and add another 3lbs. > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive.


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    Time: 07:05:24 PM PST US
    From: "Roger & Lina Hill" <hills@sunflower.com>
    Subject: Corvair Intake
    Paul; I have made a few intake manifolds before. I purchase 45, 90 and 135 or 180 degree "mandrel bent" tubes in the diameter I need, cut them to fit, then weld together and grind off the seams. The "mandrel bends" bending technology makes for smooth curves without kinks. Do an internet search for mandrel bends and you will find lots of suppliers. The aluminized steel is easy to wield, but not as light as aluminum. Roger _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paulrod36@msn.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair Intake Homebuilers are nothing if not ingenious and adaptable, so I bring this to youse. I need an idea.........I'm having a tough time trying to bend some 1-1/8 aluminum tubing to make the intakes on the Corvair heads. So far, I've fabricated the flanges, but bending the tubing into tight 90 degree curves has me stuck. My local muffler shops have tried, but without the exact size blocks, they can't get the bends right without crushing the bend somewhere. I've looked for conduit benders, but none are the right size. As a fallback I've thought about using a wall pipe from Ace Hardware's plumbing department, (pretty chrome) but it's thin wall brass, and likely to crack from the vibration. Any ideas? How'd everybody else do it? Thanks, Paul Rodriguez


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    Time: 07:32:55 PM PST US
    From: Carroll Jernigan <trainnut01@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: 601XL Fuel System Questions
    Many carburerated cars from the 60's and 70's were equipped with fuel return lines to prevent vapor lock. They used an inline fuel filter between the pump and carburetor. The filter had a third fitting (undersized) that returned fuel to the tank, The filter that GM used is still available from NAPA. Carroll Jernigan On Mar 11, 2009, at 9:51 PM, Bryan Martin wrote: > > > > Modern auto designs have return lines to the tanks BECAUSE they are > fuel injected, and for no other reason. The the fuel pump is in the > tank and pumps high pressure fuel to the engine. A fuel pressure > regulator maintains a constant pressure for the injectors, a certain > amount of fuel must bypass the regulator for this to occur. This low > pressure bypass fuel is returned to the tank. If you don't have a > fuel injected engine, installing return lines to the tanks is going > to make your system way more complicated than necessary. > > Vapor lock is a phenomenon that occurs at the fuel pump, not the > carburetor. It occurs when the fuel at the inlet of the pump is > vaporized. The fuel pump is designed to pump liquid, not vapor, so > the fuel stops flowing. Putting an orifice at the carburetor won't > help this situation. Vapor at the carburetor is not a problem as > long as fuel is still flowing up behind it to push it on through. > The way to prevent vapor lock is to make sure that the fuel pump > always gets supplied with liquid fuel. Two things can vaporize fuel: > suction and high temperature (or a combination of the two). Sucking > fuel uphill from the tanks in a low wing airplane with a fuel pump > mounted on a hot engine block in a hot engine compartment is one > good way to end up with vapor lock. Especially if you are using auto > gas. Avgas is more resistant vaporization. The most likely scenario > for vapor lock is fuel in low wing tanks, pump mounted on the > engine, hot day, full throttle and nose high attitude. In other > words, right after takeoff. > > Your fuel pump should be located near the low point of the system so > it always gets gravity feed from the tanks. Just ahead of the > gascolator is good. Some people have put the fuel pumps right at the > outlet of the tanks. this also works well but puts pressurized fuel > through all the lines in the cabin. You should avoid having anything > upstream from the pump that can cause a significant restriction to > flow, this will cause a pressure drop and increase the risk of > vaporization. If you have an engine mounted mechanical pump, you > should have an electric boost pump mounted ahead of it and use it > for take off to make sure the engine mounted pump always gets liquid > fuel. > > I have two ball valves in my system, one for each tank, mounted on > the floor ahead of the spar on either side of the rudder cable > tunnel. That was the way the system was originally designed. It's > simple, effective and inexpensive. I never saw any reason to put a > fancy, expensive selector valve in there. The valves feed fuel into > a tee fitting at the gascolator and I have two fuel pumps in > parallel on the floor just ahead of that. The fuel lines slope > downhill all the way from the tanks to the gascolator and the pumps > are at the same level as the outlet of that. Then the fuel line > slopes uphill to the carburetors. I've never had any hint of a > problem with vapor lock with this setup. > > I used 3/8" O.D. 3003 aluminum tube from the tanks to the valves. > Mainly because hoses will eventually have to be replaced and I > didn't want to have to dig into the wing root area to replace fuel > lines. I used hoses everywhere else. I was planning to use aluminum, > but the hose was easier to install and it will be easily accessible > when it comes time to replace it. > > For your fittings, you have to remember, hose fittings are sized by > the I.D. of the hose and tube fittings are sized by the O.D of the > tube. So if you are looking for a fitting for a 1/16" I.D. tube, it > will be listed under 1/8" O.D. fittings. Here's your hose fitting: > AN840 HOSE NIPPLE, PIPE THREAD > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/an840.php > > There is an error in the above web page, the column that reads Tube > O.D. should read Hose I.D. > > For your tube fitting, maybe this is what you are looking for: > primer fitting AN780-2, AN800, AN805 > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/primerfittings.php > > Although I think this is a flare fitting, not a compression fitting. > > > On Mar 11, 2009, at 5:03 PM, crvsecretary@aol.com wrote: > >> I am considering using a return line to the tanks and a restrictive >> orifice (a 'controlled leak') at the carb to maintain fuel flow >> PAST the carb to reduce and possibly eliminate the chance of vapor >> lock in my plane. With regard to changes to the original Zenith >> design, I see this would require: >> >> a T-fitting and orifice at the carb, return lines to the fuel >> selector valve, a new fuel selector valve (VERY EXPENSIVE) with a >> return segment, return plumbing to each tank, and tank >> modifications to accept a fuel line. I'm not a welder so I would >> need to find one to modify the tank, as well as getting a proper >> fitting to weld into the tank. >> >> My questions are many: is all this worth it? As I see it, >> yes.....ALL modern automotive designs incorporate a return line to >> the tank (yes, I know they are fuel injected, but that's a whole >> other issue). There has been some discussion regarding fuel >> selector valves: in that they represent a single point of failure >> potential. Would on-off ball valved be a better solution? >> Please...I'd like opinions on this. >> >> My thoughts are to use rigid tube in the fuselage...does anyone >> have a primer or a good website on the proper way to bend rigid >> tube and the best way to anchor it? >> >> Speaking of primers - this time engine primers: I recently >> purchased an engine peimer that is tapped to accept 1/8 NPT pipe >> fittings. I am looking for 2 fittings: >> >> 1/8 male NPT to 1/4" barb, and 1/8 male NPT to that I believe is >> 1/16" copper tube compression which goes to the primer nozzles in >> the intake manifold. Where do I get these tiny fittings ? >> ACS had very little to offer. >> >> Thank you in advance for your help. I have been at a standstill >> for a long time about this and I welcome all thoughts and opinions. >> > > > -- > Bryan Martin > N61BM, CH 601 XL, > RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. > >


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    Time: 09:02:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair Intake
    From: "Ianrat" <ianrat@powerup.com.au>
    I use CAD to draw the intake and then went to my local Mandrel bender (In Australia) and he made the intake exactly the same as the one WW sells. They cost me $100 each including the stainless steel tubing. Ianrat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234312#234312


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    Time: 10:25:05 PM PST US
    From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: 601XL Fuel System Questions
    And they generally had a mechanical fuel pump mounted on the side of the engine. The bypass line probably helped keep the pump and fuel cooler by bleeding off some of the fuel heated by its trip through the engine compartment. Some airplanes have bypass lines for a similar reason, they also generally have mechanical fuel pumps on the engine. Modern autos with fuel injection have electric fuel pumps submerged in the fuel tank, which makes vapor lock impossible. An electric pump located in a cool area with good gravity feed will also prevent vapor lock. It's also a whole lot simpler than all the extra plumbing. If you do have an engine mounted pump, using fire-sleeve on the fuel lines also helps. > > > > Many carburerated cars from the 60's and 70's were equipped with > fuel return lines to prevent vapor lock. They used an inline fuel > filter between the pump and carburetor. The filter had a third > fitting (undersized) that returned fuel to the tank, The filter that > GM used is still available from NAPA. > Carroll Jernigan > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive.




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