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1. 01:49 AM - Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane? (Iberplanes IGL)
2. 03:23 AM - Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane? (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_CHAPPERON?=)
3. 05:22 AM - Re: Remote compass (Edward Moody II)
4. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: Zenith Aero (Edward Moody II)
5. 06:09 AM - testing (roger lambert)
6. 06:52 AM - Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane? (Rich Simmons)
7. 01:26 PM - Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane? (Ian McClelland)
8. 04:09 PM - Smashing tubing (jaybannist@cs.com)
9. 04:56 PM - Re: Smashing tubing (Gig Giacona)
10. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: Smashing tubing (jaybannist@cs.com)
11. 06:07 PM - D-100 Shield (Bill Naumuk)
12. 06:14 PM - Re: D-100 Shield (Sabrina)
13. 07:04 PM - Re: Smashing tubing (JohnDRead@aol.com)
14. 07:32 PM - Re: Smashing tubing (Ron Lendon)
15. 07:36 PM - Re: D-100 Shield (Ron Lendon)
16. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: D-100 Shield (Bill Naumuk)
17. 09:27 PM - Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane (Sabrina)
18. 09:33 PM - Re: Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane (Jay Maynard)
19. 10:01 PM - Re: D-100 Shield (Craig Payne)
20. 10:56 PM - Re: Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane (Terry Phillips)
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| Subject: | Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb |
Airplane?
Terry & Elden,
If we had to pass the hat, I=B4d contribute without thinking it twice.
bye.
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane? |
Hello !
Yesterday French aeronautics authorities decided to restrict flying
with
601 XL ultra-light version .
means maximum weight is : 992lb without parachute and 1042 with
parachute
(total rescue system)
1)All owners must check cables tension according to Service Bulletin and
check it again every 50 hours.
2)Vne : is restricted to 180km/h =E897 mph !!!!!
Position of authorities could be modified according results of German
test .
For those who understand French, the link:
http://www.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/html/avia_leg/navigabilite/CN/CN2009UL
M00
1_ZENAIRCH601XL.pdf
On my side I have contacted my dealer, and sent a personal e-mail to
Michael
Heintz=85
I agree with your idea; if the 601 can get through USA tests it would be
better as weight (1340lb)is higher than in Europe.
Fran=E7ois
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| Subject: | Re: Remote compass |
My remote magnetometer install was even simpler, but requires the
presence of the belly hatch or an improvised side skin access panel for
access. I had screwed up the side cut on the heel rest channel early on
(building from a kit) and had to get a new one from the factory. The old
one was put to use to make a tray across the upper longerons about a
foot behind the baggage deck. I mounted the unit on that tray and I can
reach it from the belly hatch. The tray is level with the longerons and
is perpendicular to the plane's long axis. The unit is square to the
tray and so is well within 1 degree in both axes.
Ed
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There's nothing wrong with wearing a belt and suspenders too. I like and
participate in both groups.
Ed
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It is reasonable to request and/or support testing of the 601xl to American
standards. I do not think it is any more reasonable to ask Zenith to test
the
airplane at cable tensions at any significant deviation from that called for
in
the plans than it would be to test it with a number of wing attach bolts
removed or improperly torqued. It is your responsibility as pilot/owner to
maintain the airplane in accordance with the design parameters. >
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| Subject: | re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb |
Airplane?
I have sent an e-mail offering $100 donation for this testing as well.
I sent an e-mail to Mich and Seb.
We need to encourage this test!
Not for defending but proving what the capabilities are.
Rich Simmons
601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb |
Airplane?
Thanks Terry. If there is an agreement to test to U.S. standards, and
additional funds need to be raised.
I will also contribute $100.
Ian McClelland
New Zealand
601XL
Jab 3300.
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Hey gang,
I need to flatten the ends of a 3/4" aluminum tube (1/16" wall) for a bolted connection.?
Should I heat the tube to flatten it, or do it cold?
Thanks - Jay Bannister
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| Subject: | Re: Smashing tubing |
Jay,
I assume this is for the cross bar for the canopy? I tested on a couple of pieces
I had both hot and cold and didn't see a lot of difference. I didn't like the
outcome of the test and decided to go with a solid piece of AL and then drill
the rear canopy tube for the solid shaft to fit into. Then drill through that
and secure with a fairly small diameter bolt.
I haven't actually done this yet but I have the stuff in the hanger to do it.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Smashing tubing |
Gig,
I am planning to wrap a piece of .025 around the canopy hoop for an anchor for
the cross brace (like I did for the tether cable).? I will only drill through
the anchor piece into the hoop for one A4 rivet to keep the anchor in place.?
I wanted to avoid making two relatively big holes in the canopy hoop and weakening
it near the fixed end of the hoop. Guess that's the structural engineer in
me coming out. I will drill a slotted hole in the flattened cross brace tubing
for adjustment and secure it to the anchors with AN3 bolts.
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 6:55 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Smashing tubing
Jay,
I assume this is for the cross bar for the canopy? I tested on a couple of
pieces I had both hot and cold and didn't see a lot of difference. I didn't like
the outcome of the test and decided to go with a solid piece of AL and then
drill the rear canopy tube for the solid shaft to fit into. Then drill through
that and secure with a fairly small diameter bolt.
I haven't actually done this yet but I have the stuff in the hanger to do it.
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All-
Where does the shield for the D-100 computer and remote compass 9
pin connectors terminate? Also, someone refered to the Dynon user's
site. What's the address?
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: D-100 Shield |
"Where does the shield for the D-100 computer and remote compass 9 pin connectors
terminate?"
ground...
http://www.dynonavionics.com/downloads/Install_Guides/EFIS-D100%20Installation%20Guide.pdf
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234607#234607
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| Subject: | Re: Smashing tubing |
Jay;
I would not do either. If you heat the tube it will lose its temper, if
you just flatten it mechanically it will probably crack along the sides. I
would make a filler for the ends from solid aluminum with a light interference
fit into the tube, then cross drill and make your connection. do not archive.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 3/14/2009 5:09:40 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
jaybannist@cs.com writes:
Hey gang,
I need to flatten the ends of a 3/4" aluminum tube (1/16" wall) for a bolted
connection. Should I heat the tube to flatten it, or do it cold?
Thanks - Jay Bannister
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| Subject: | Re: Smashing tubing |
I would work the metal cold. If you take two pieces of hardwood and drill part
way through the same diameter of the tube, they can be used as saddles to control
the crush of the tube.
Clamp the blocks together and drill hole. Use blocks to support the tube while
crushing in a vice.
You may need to make some adjustments for material thickness but I just wanted
to illustrate the concept.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Corvair Engine Prints:
http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/
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| Subject: | Re: D-100 Shield |
http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/support_documentation.html
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Corvair Engine Prints:
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| Subject: | Re: D-100 Shield |
Sabrina-
According to page 3-3 of the Dynon manual, they're supposed to go "To
the short black/white cable emanating from the DB25". From past practice I
would have soldered the shield to the DB25 case, but I suppose the ground
block will do just as well.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: D-100 Shield
>
> "Where does the shield for the D-100 computer and remote compass 9 pin
> connectors terminate?"
>
> ground...
>
> http://www.dynonavionics.com/downloads/Install_Guides/EFIS-D100%20Installation%20Guide.pdf
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234607#234607
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane |
"2)Vne : is restricted to 180km/h 97 mph !!!!!"
180 km/h = 112 mph = 97 knots and they are assuming slack cables
I can't imagine anyone on this list flying their XL over 112 MPH with slack cables...
it is so easy to reach behind the seat on the pre-flight and check them...
Until we know more, it would seem pretty easy to design a spring loaded set of
three pulleys to maintain minimal aileron balance cable tension... maybe do that
with the $2500 rather than paying someone to do something they already have
a duty to do.
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| Subject: | Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 |
lb Airplane
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 09:25:45PM -0700, Sabrina wrote:
> Until we know more, it would seem pretty easy to design a spring loaded
> set of three pulleys to maintain minimal aileron balance cable tension...
> maybe do that with the $2500 rather than paying someone to do something
> they already have a duty to do.
Unfortunately, while you (and I, for that matter) feel they have a duty to
do so, they apparently disagree.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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If it is the actual shield (foil or braided wire tube surrounding the wire
bundle) as opposed to a ground wire then it should be connected to the metal
shell of the D connector at one end (probably the D-100) (assuming the metal
shell on the D-100 is connected to ground. If not connect it to the ground
pin at the D-100 end.
I think I mentioned the user's group. I was referring to the user's forum on
the Dynon web site.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: D-100 Shield
All-
Where does the shield for the D-100 computer and remote compass 9 pin
connectors terminate? Also, someone refered to the Dynon user's site. What's
the address?
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 |
lb Airplane
Thanks for the thought, Juan.
Next time I'm in Vegas I'll be sure to check out the Bellagio black jack
tables. I've always wanted to see the King in Vegas.
Meanwhile, I do not understand something:
Why you are not clamoring loudly for Zenair to do the tests to US specs to
put ZBAG in our place!
All Zenair need do is test to US specs, showing that the design does meet
the 1320 lb @ 6G spec, independently verified, and release complete GVT
test data per ZBAG's offer, and that will show ZBAG. And Zenair can do it
on ZBAG's nickel!
And, while you are clamoring, you why don't you ask Zenair to publish their
load test protocol and results like Van does?
http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-10int2.htm
Then I can go back to building. Truly, nothing would make me happier.
Have a great day
Terry
At 03:55 PM 3/13/2009 -0400, Juan wrote:
>And I am convinced, Elvis lives in Vegas under an assumed name working at
>the bellagio on the black Jack tables.
>ZBAG is full of c&$% and they dont seem to have an understanding on reality.
>
>Juan
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; waiting on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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