---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/14/09: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:49 AM - Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane? (Iberplanes IGL) 2. 03:23 AM - Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane? (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_CHAPPERON?=) 3. 05:22 AM - Re: Remote compass (Edward Moody II) 4. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: Zenith Aero (Edward Moody II) 5. 06:09 AM - testing (roger lambert) 6. 06:52 AM - Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane? (Rich Simmons) 7. 01:26 PM - Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane? (Ian McClelland) 8. 04:09 PM - Smashing tubing (jaybannist@cs.com) 9. 04:56 PM - Re: Smashing tubing (Gig Giacona) 10. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: Smashing tubing (jaybannist@cs.com) 11. 06:07 PM - D-100 Shield (Bill Naumuk) 12. 06:14 PM - Re: D-100 Shield (Sabrina) 13. 07:04 PM - Re: Smashing tubing (JohnDRead@aol.com) 14. 07:32 PM - Re: Smashing tubing (Ron Lendon) 15. 07:36 PM - Re: D-100 Shield (Ron Lendon) 16. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: D-100 Shield (Bill Naumuk) 17. 09:27 PM - Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane (Sabrina) 18. 09:33 PM - Re: Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane (Jay Maynard) 19. 10:01 PM - Re: D-100 Shield (Craig Payne) 20. 10:56 PM - Re: Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane (Terry Phillips) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane? From: Iberplanes IGL Terry & Elden, If we had to pass the hat, I=B4d contribute without thinking it twice. bye. Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:06 AM PST US From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_CHAPPERON?= Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane? Hello ! Yesterday French aeronautics authorities decided to restrict flying with 601 XL ultra-light version . means maximum weight is : 992lb without parachute and 1042 with parachute (total rescue system) 1)All owners must check cables tension according to Service Bulletin and check it again every 50 hours. 2)Vne : is restricted to 180km/h =E897 mph !!!!! Position of authorities could be modified according results of German test . For those who understand French, the link: http://www.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/html/avia_leg/navigabilite/CN/CN2009UL M00 1_ZENAIRCH601XL.pdf On my side I have contacted my dealer, and sent a personal e-mail to Michael Heintz=85 I agree with your idea; if the 601 can get through USA tests it would be better as weight (1340lb)is higher than in Europe. Fran=E7ois ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:32 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Remote compass My remote magnetometer install was even simpler, but requires the presence of the belly hatch or an improvised side skin access panel for access. I had screwed up the side cut on the heel rest channel early on (building from a kit) and had to get a new one from the factory. The old one was put to use to make a tray across the upper longerons about a foot behind the baggage deck. I mounted the unit on that tray and I can reach it from the belly hatch. The tray is level with the longerons and is perpendicular to the plane's long axis. The unit is square to the tray and so is well within 1 degree in both axes. Ed ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:40 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith Aero There's nothing wrong with wearing a belt and suspenders too. I like and participate in both groups. Ed ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:36 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: testing From: roger lambert It is reasonable to request and/or support testing of the 601xl to American standards. I do not think it is any more reasonable to ask Zenith to test the airplane at cable tensions at any significant deviation from that called for in the plans than it would be to test it with a number of wing attach bolts removed or improperly torqued. It is your responsibility as pilot/owner to maintain the airplane in accordance with the design parameters. > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:51 AM PST US From: Rich Simmons <4RCSIMMONS@comcast.net> Subject: Zenith-List: re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane? I have sent an e-mail offering $100 donation for this testing as well. I sent an e-mail to Mich and Seb. We need to encourage this test! Not for defending but proving what the capabilities are. Rich Simmons 601XL ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:35 PM PST US From: Ian McClelland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane? Thanks Terry. If there is an agreement to test to U.S. standards, and additional funds need to be raised. I will also contribute $100. Ian McClelland New Zealand 601XL Jab 3300. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:10 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Smashing tubing From: jaybannist@cs.com Hey gang, I need to flatten the ends of a 3/4" aluminum tube (1/16" wall) for a bolted connection.? Should I heat the tube to flatten it, or do it cold? Thanks - Jay Bannister Do not archive ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:52 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Smashing tubing From: "Gig Giacona" Jay, I assume this is for the cross bar for the canopy? I tested on a couple of pieces I had both hot and cold and didn't see a lot of difference. I didn't like the outcome of the test and decided to go with a solid piece of AL and then drill the rear canopy tube for the solid shaft to fit into. Then drill through that and secure with a fairly small diameter bolt. I haven't actually done this yet but I have the stuff in the hanger to do it. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234591#234591 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Smashing tubing From: jaybannist@cs.com Gig, I am planning to wrap a piece of .025 around the canopy hoop for an anchor for the cross brace (like I did for the tether cable).? I will only drill through the anchor piece into the hoop for one A4 rivet to keep the anchor in place.? I wanted to avoid making two relatively big holes in the canopy hoop and weakening it near the fixed end of the hoop. Guess that's the structural engineer in me coming out. I will drill a slotted hole in the flattened cross brace tubing for adjustment and secure it to the anchors with AN3 bolts. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Gig Giacona Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 6:55 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Smashing tubing Jay, I assume this is for the cross bar for the canopy? I tested on a couple of pieces I had both hot and cold and didn't see a lot of difference. I didn't like the outcome of the test and decided to go with a solid piece of AL and then drill the rear canopy tube for the solid shaft to fit into. Then drill through that and secure with a fairly small diameter bolt. I haven't actually done this yet but I have the stuff in the hanger to do it. ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:47 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: D-100 Shield All- Where does the shield for the D-100 computer and remote compass 9 pin connectors terminate? Also, someone refered to the Dynon user's site. What's the address? Thanks. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:51 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: D-100 Shield From: "Sabrina" "Where does the shield for the D-100 computer and remote compass 9 pin connectors terminate?" ground... http://www.dynonavionics.com/downloads/Install_Guides/EFIS-D100%20Installation%20Guide.pdf Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234607#234607 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:41 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Smashing tubing Jay; I would not do either. If you heat the tube it will lose its temper, if you just flatten it mechanically it will probably crack along the sides. I would make a filler for the ends from solid aluminum with a light interference fit into the tube, then cross drill and make your connection. do not archive. John Read CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 3/14/2009 5:09:40 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jaybannist@cs.com writes: Hey gang, I need to flatten the ends of a 3/4" aluminum tube (1/16" wall) for a bolted connection. Should I heat the tube to flatten it, or do it cold? Thanks - Jay Bannister Do not archive ____________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at _http://www.cs.com_ (http://www.cs.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:31 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Smashing tubing From: "Ron Lendon" I would work the metal cold. If you take two pieces of hardwood and drill part way through the same diameter of the tube, they can be used as saddles to control the crush of the tube. Clamp the blocks together and drill hole. Use blocks to support the tube while crushing in a vice. You may need to make some adjustments for material thickness but I just wanted to illustrate the concept. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Corvair Engine Prints: http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234620#234620 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/untitled_429.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:27 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: D-100 Shield From: "Ron Lendon" http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/support_documentation.html -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Corvair Engine Prints: http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234621#234621 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:29 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: D-100 Shield Sabrina- According to page 3-3 of the Dynon manual, they're supposed to go "To the short black/white cable emanating from the DB25". From past practice I would have soldered the shield to the DB25 case, but I suppose the ground block will do just as well. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabrina" Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: D-100 Shield > > "Where does the shield for the D-100 computer and remote compass 9 pin > connectors terminate?" > > ground... > > http://www.dynonavionics.com/downloads/Install_Guides/EFIS-D100%20Installation%20Guide.pdf > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234607#234607 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:04 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane From: "Sabrina" "2)Vne : is restricted to 180km/h 97 mph !!!!!" 180 km/h = 112 mph = 97 knots and they are assuming slack cables I can't imagine anyone on this list flying their XL over 112 MPH with slack cables... it is so easy to reach behind the seat on the pre-flight and check them... Until we know more, it would seem pretty easy to design a spring loaded set of three pulleys to maintain minimal aileron balance cable tension... maybe do that with the $2500 rather than paying someone to do something they already have a duty to do. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234628#234628 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:05 PM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 09:25:45PM -0700, Sabrina wrote: > Until we know more, it would seem pretty easy to design a spring loaded > set of three pulleys to maintain minimal aileron balance cable tension... > maybe do that with the $2500 rather than paying someone to do something > they already have a duty to do. Unfortunately, while you (and I, for that matter) feel they have a duty to do so, they apparently disagree. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:42 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: D-100 Shield If it is the actual shield (foil or braided wire tube surrounding the wire bundle) as opposed to a ground wire then it should be connected to the metal shell of the D connector at one end (probably the D-100) (assuming the metal shell on the D-100 is connected to ground. If not connect it to the ground pin at the D-100 end. I think I mentioned the user's group. I was referring to the user's forum on the Dynon web site. -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: Zenith-List: D-100 Shield All- Where does the shield for the D-100 computer and remote compass 9 pin connectors terminate? Also, someone refered to the Dynon user's site. What's the address? Thanks. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:18 PM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Is Your CH601XL/650 a 1320 lb Airplane or a 1041 lb Airplane Thanks for the thought, Juan. Next time I'm in Vegas I'll be sure to check out the Bellagio black jack tables. I've always wanted to see the King in Vegas. Meanwhile, I do not understand something: Why you are not clamoring loudly for Zenair to do the tests to US specs to put ZBAG in our place! All Zenair need do is test to US specs, showing that the design does meet the 1320 lb @ 6G spec, independently verified, and release complete GVT test data per ZBAG's offer, and that will show ZBAG. And Zenair can do it on ZBAG's nickel! And, while you are clamoring, you why don't you ask Zenair to publish their load test protocol and results like Van does? http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-10int2.htm Then I can go back to building. Truly, nothing would make me happier. Have a great day Terry At 03:55 PM 3/13/2009 -0400, Juan wrote: >And I am convinced, Elvis lives in Vegas under an assumed name working at >the bellagio on the black Jack tables. >ZBAG is full of c&$% and they dont seem to have an understanding on reality. > >Juan Terry Phillips ZBAGer ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are done; waiting on the wings http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.