---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/05/09: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:35 AM - Re: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? (Edward Moody II) 2. 10:21 AM - Re: CONTACTORS (Ron Ellis) 3. 11:04 AM - Re: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? (DaveG601XL) 4. 11:34 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/03/09 (phil plumley) 5. 01:21 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/03/09 (Gig Giacona) 6. 01:33 PM - Re: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? (Thruster87) 7. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Corvair (Lawrence Webber) 8. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? (Randy) 9. 05:38 PM - Re: Corvair (messydeer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:01 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? I'm currently waiting on the FAA for airworthiness inspection so the only fogging I have experienced is while working inside the cabin with the canopy down. In motion, I suspect that the fresh air vents will take care of most or all fogging except for very cool / cold days. If it becomes a problem, my plan is to remove my forward top skin after marking where the canopy touches it. A couple of inches inside that line I will drill a series of 3/8" diameter holes evenly spaced to allow the electronics cooling fan to vent the warmed air up to the bubble in front. I installed a big cpu muffin fan (~ 75 cfpm) in the support from the bottom of the panel to the firewall early on. It keeps the area under the forward top skin from becoming a greenhouse-like heat dome. I figure that warm air can be put to good use as needed later on. Ed ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:40 AM PST US From: Ron Ellis Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CONTACTORS I chose not to use a contactor as well. It partially depends on how much current you will need in the cabin, but if you're using the 3300 with its' 20 amp alternator, you'll need to be a little conservative on the current required anyway when you select your avionics, lights, etc; There are lots of switches available that will meet your requirements. I also used a 20 or 30 amp circuit breaker/switch. In the Aeroelectric book, there is a schematic for the Jab 3300 in which a contactor is not used. Ron Haslet,TX > Time: 09:10:46 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: CONTACTORS > From: "AZFlyer" > > > List, > > Have the 3300 with FWF kit from Jab.USA. Have been > reading everything I can find > on "contactors" ( AeroElectric, various Matronics lists, > etc.). Do not understand > most of it... so, my question is: Do I need to add > one or more "Contactor" > to my installation? > > I am not an EE, nor much of an electrician...just trying to > understand what the > Contactor might buy me. Planning an all-glass panel, > if that makes any difference? > > Please don't throw electrical theory at me...I'm just > looking for a simple explanation > why I should or should not consider putting contactors > on. If so, which > one? > > Thanks, > Mike > > -------- > Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com > 601 XL, 3300, Dynon > > Remember, "the second mouse gets the > cheese"! > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:57 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? From: "DaveG601XL" I did some flying this winter with OAT's in the mid to upper 30's and on the ground during taxi is where I experienced canopy fogging. In-flight, I had no problems with the fog clearing up even though I only have the one hole for heat in the lower firewall. I bought a 100W 12VDC portable car de-froster unit that plugs into a cigarette lighter for taxiing. I sit it on top my panel until ready for takeoff when I un-plug and stow it. It is a very light unit and only uses the equivalent power of a landing light. Picture attached. -------- David Gallagher 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 First flight 7/24/08 60 hours and climbing! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237835#237835 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/defrost_01_202.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:40 AM PST US From: phil plumley Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Zenith-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/03/09 please remove me from the list > Date: Fri=2C 3 Apr 2009 23:59:04 -0700 > From: zenith-list@matronics.com > To: zenith-list-digest@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/03/09 > > * > > ======================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== > > Today's complete Zenith-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Zenith-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html& Chapter 09-04-03&Archive=Zenith > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&C hapter 09-04-03&Archive=Zenith > > > ======================== ======================= > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== ======================= > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Zenith-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Fri 04/03/09: 6 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 05:25 AM - Prop (wade jones) > 2. 05:40 AM - Re: Prop (Sabrina) > 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: Prop (wade jones) > 4. 06:24 AM - Re: Prop (Juan Vega) > 5. 02:08 PM - Re: Prop (wade jones) > 6. 11:09 PM - Corvair (messydeer) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________ _______ > > > Time: 05:25:14 AM PST US > From: "wade jones" > Subject: Zenith-List: Prop > > Hello group =2CI plan to order my propeller today for my 601XL .I will be > using the Franklin 125hp engine .I have requested the prop builder to > use 68"X60" for the prop .Do you think this is a good number . > Wade Jones South Texas > 601XL Franklin 0-235 > > ________________________________ Message 2 ______________________________ _______ > > > Time: 05:40:38 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Prop > From: "Sabrina" > > > I had my 2 blade 69 klip tip cut down to 67. With a bungee failure and no se tire > flat=2C 68 or 69 did not give enough ground clearance on a 2 blade prop. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237499#237499 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 ______________________________ _______ > > > Time: 05:57:29 AM PST US > From: "wade jones" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Prop > > > Thanks Sabrina thats the kind of input I am looking for . > Wade Jones South Texas > 601XL Franklin 0-235 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sabrina" > Sent: Friday=2C April 03=2C 2009 7:39 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Prop > > > > > > I had my 2 blade 69 klip tip cut down to 67. With a bungee failure and > > nose tire flat=2C 68 or 69 did not give enough ground clearance on a 2 blade > > prop. > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237499#237499 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 ______________________________ _______ > > > Time: 06:24:53 AM PST US > From: Juan Vega > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Prop > > > measure from the prop hub straight down to the ground and deduct 18 inche s or so. > you will probably get around 64" > > Juan > > -----Original Message----- > >From: wade jones > >Sent: Apr 3=2C 2009 8:23 AM > >To: zenith-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Zenith-List: Prop > > > >Hello group =2CI plan to order my propeller today for my 601XL .I will b e using > the Franklin 125hp engine .I have requested the prop builder to use 68"X6 0" for > the prop .Do you think this is a good number . > >Wade Jones South Texas > >601XL Franklin 0-235 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 ______________________________ _______ > > > Time: 02:08:45 PM PST US > From: "wade jones" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Prop > > > Thanks Juan =2Chowever I don't quite understand . > Wade Jones South Texas > 601XL Franklin 0-235 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Juan Vega" > Sent: Friday=2C April 03=2C 2009 8:23 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Prop > > > > > > measure from the prop hub straight down to the ground and deduct 18 inc hes > > or so. you will probably get around 64" > > > > Juan > > > > -----Original Message----- > >>From: wade jones > >>Sent: Apr 3=2C 2009 8:23 AM > >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com > >>Subject: Zenith-List: Prop > >> > >>Hello group =2CI plan to order my propeller today for my 601XL .I will be > >>using the Franklin 125hp engine .I have requested the prop builder to u se > >>68"X60" for the prop .Do you think this is a good number . > >>Wade Jones South Texas > >>601XL Franklin 0-235 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 ______________________________ _______ > > > Time: 11:09:00 PM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Corvair > From: "messydeer" > > > Hello! > > I'm considering powering my bird with a Corvair engine. I have limited ex perience > rebuilding engines (replaced a Subie head gasket once) and would have an experienced > Corvair builder do this for me. I would not provide the cadaver or any > organs. > > To save money=2C I would be comfortable in assembling some of the engine myself. > > > Look forward to hearing your experiences=2C suggestions=2C and references .. > > Cheers=2C > Dan > > -------- > Dan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237624#237624 > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ' Free. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:58 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/03/09 From: "Gig Giacona" That isn't how it works... Go here http://www.matronics.com/subscribe/ -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237858#237858 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:46 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? From: "Thruster87" Hi DaveG601XL, I like the look of the top of your dash.Where did you source the edge rubber? and what material is the black anti-glare ?Like the sun visor for the EFIS/GPS Cheers Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237862#237862 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:48 PM PST US From: Lawrence Webber Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair Dan its only 3157.5 miles a mere 46 hours driving form bellingham wa to lowell ma. dont be a wimp drive on over do not archive Larry > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair > From: messydeer@yahoo.com > Date: Sat=2C 4 Apr 2009 18:16:48 -0700 > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > > Bellingham=2C MA is about 50 miles from Lowell. I live in Bellingham=2C W A=2C about 50=2C000 miles from Lowell. Oh=2C well... > > It would be nice to go to one of those things=2C though. > > Dan > > -------- > Dan > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237750#237750 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:42 PM PST US From: "Randy" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? I have flown for two Wisconsin winters now and many times it's been way below freezing and sometimes below zero. The canopy does fog up a little bit (usually on the side, not so much in front) but I open my fresh air vents (while I taxi and do my run up) and that keeps it to a minimum. Just before take off I close the fresh air vents and pull on cabin heat and that takes care of any fog that might have developed. Like Larry has mentioned, I also carry a microfiber towel, but seldom have to use it. Like David mentioned, I also purchased a portable car defroster but never had to use it. Randy Ferri 601xl/Jab3300 First flight 5/15/07 270 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: "DaveG601XL" Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 1:03 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? > > I did some flying this winter with OAT's in the mid to upper 30's and on > the ground during taxi is where I experienced canopy fogging. In-flight, I > had no problems with the fog clearing up even though I only have the one > hole for heat in the lower firewall. I bought a 100W 12VDC portable car > de-froster unit that plugs into a cigarette lighter for taxiing. I sit it > on top my panel until ready for takeoff when I un-plug and stow it. It is > a very light unit and only uses the equivalent power of a landing light. > Picture attached. > > -------- > David Gallagher > 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 > First flight 7/24/08 > 60 hours and climbing! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237835#237835 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/defrost_01_202.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:37 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair From: "messydeer" Yes, well...I did checkout the flight schedule. $300 RT and think that includes a tour of the Kennedy's. The more I look into resurrecting one myself (an engine, that is), the less intimidating it seems and the more I feel like going for it. Is this 3 full days, Fri-Sun? 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