---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/06/09: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:43 AM - Re: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? (DaveG601XL) 2. 04:00 AM - Help choosing a design (ejohns) 3. 04:30 AM - Re: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? (kmccune) 4. 07:07 AM - Re: [Probable Spam] Help choosing a design (LarryMcFarland) 5. 11:04 AM - Re: [Probable Spam] Help choosing a design (ejohns) 6. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: [Probable Spam] Help choosing a design (LarryMcFarland) 7. 02:53 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Help choosing a design (ejohns) 8. 04:08 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Help choosing a design (Roger & Lina Hill) 9. 07:00 PM - Re: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? (Tommy Walker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? From: "DaveG601XL" Alan, The glare shield edging in automotive trunk seal. I actually got mine from Zenith, but I have seen the same thing sold in various on-line dealers like JC Whitney. The anti-glare paint is Rust-o-leum flat black. -------- David Gallagher 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 First flight 7/24/08 60 hours and climbing! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237953#237953 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:43 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Help choosing a design From: "ejohns" I have been lurking on this forum for some time and dreaming of building a Zenith design. I have narrowed my choices down to either the 601 HD or the 650. I have chosen these two designs as each can be built and flown as an LSA. I like the increased payload capabilities, styling, speed potential, and ease of construction of the 650, but I am also intrigued by the capabilities and efficiency of the HD with a smaller engine. I would appreciate anyones insight about this before I purchase the plans. Thanks in advance. Ernie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237954#237954 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:32 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? From: "kmccune" Try this for the trim, they also have all metal and all rubber trim. This and the type Dave used, has metal in the U shaped part that covers the sheet AL. This makes it less of a cutting edge, in my way of thinking. http://www.mcmaster.com/#trim-seals/=1bqah2 Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237956#237956 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:56 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: [Probable Spam] Zenith-List: Help choosing a design Hi Ernie, Either aircraft is a good choice. You'll have to decide if you're going to fly in short grass strips or stay mostly on longer hard surface airports and also if speed makes any difference to you. These are pretty close, either will be a blast to fly. For building though, I found the Zenith aircraft a real pleasure to do from plans. You can buy any component you're not be able to do yourself. I seriously like the HDS and have flown the HD too. The HD and the 650 will provide much more climb capability than a HDS. My HDS meets the performance requirements for LSA, but some don't as it has to be set right to get there. I'd think the 650 might be a better choice as Zenith has put the 601XL as the latest model to move from the HD. Still your decision to make and welcome to the forum. I like the Subaru, if a few pounds heavier than the Rotax, it's much less costly and is just as reliable as any of them. Car gas is cheaper than 100LL too so if you decide to go that way the path has been cleared for success a long time ago. If I can be of help just ask. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ejohns wrote: > > I have been lurking on this forum for some time and dreaming of building a Zenith design. I have narrowed my choices down to either the 601 HD or the 650. I have chosen these two designs as each can be built and flown as an LSA. I like the increased payload capabilities, styling, speed potential, and ease of construction of the 650, but I am also intrigued by the capabilities and efficiency of the HD with a smaller engine. I would appreciate anyones insight about this before I purchase the plans. > > Thanks in advance. > Ernie > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:55 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: [Probable Spam] Help choosing a design From: "ejohns" Larry Thank you for your reply. Most of my flying will be done from paved strips, but I would like to have the ability to fly in and out of the occasional grass strip. I have compared the the speed potential from the published information and there doesn't seem to be a lot of difference between the two. Actual performance data from the XL with different engine choices is available readily, but actual data on the HD and different engines is sketchy at best. Could you suggest where I might be able to find a more data on th HD? Again let me thank you again for your response and I assure you this is not spam I am merely trying to gather addition information with which to make an informed decision. Thanks Ernie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238010#238010 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:46 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: [Probable Spam] Help choosing a design You're right Ernie, There's less than 10-15 mph difference between the 650 and the HD. The Corvair will pull you along faster by another 5 mph, perhaps in the neighborhood of 115 mph, 5 mph faster than the Subaru. The Subaru has more torque on the climb because of the redrive/horsepower curve. The matronics archives provide a lot of space from which to obtain data and opinions on flight, speed, problems with building and handling etc. Magazines like Kitplanes have had articles on the HD that can be reviewed on computer. Sport Aviation also has had some. I'd advise a Google search too. Larry ejohns wrote: > > Larry > > Thank you for your reply. Most of my flying will be done from paved strips, but I would like to have the ability to fly in and out of the occasional grass strip. I have compared the the speed potential from the published information and there doesn't seem to be a lot of difference between the two. Actual performance data from the XL with different engine choices is available readily, but actual data on the HD and different engines is sketchy at best. Could you suggest where I might be able to find a more data on th HD? > > Again let me thank you again for your response and I assure you this is not spam I am merely trying to gather addition information with which to make an informed decision. > > Thanks > Ernie > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238010#238010 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:05 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: [Probable Spam] Help choosing a design From: "ejohns" Larry Thank you very much for all your help. I will do as you suggest and see what I can find with a google search. Thanks again Ernie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238045#238045 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:08 PM PST US From: "Roger & Lina Hill" Subject: RE: [Probable Spam] Zenith-List: Help choosing a design Ya, my HDS also meets the LSA requirements. To get the stall speed down, I lowered the ailerons about 3% down (to act like flapperions) and also moved the CG closer to the aft limit (which limits my turtle deck weight limit to 35 lbs). All this drops the stall down to 50 or 51 mph. I fly with VW engine. Roger -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryMcFarland Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Probable Spam] Zenith-List: Help choosing a design Hi Ernie, Either aircraft is a good choice. You'll have to decide if you're going to fly in short grass strips or stay mostly on longer hard surface airports and also if speed makes any difference to you. These are pretty close, either will be a blast to fly. For building though, I found the Zenith aircraft a real pleasure to do from plans. You can buy any component you're not be able to do yourself. I seriously like the HDS and have flown the HD too. The HD and the 650 will provide much more climb capability than a HDS. My HDS meets the performance requirements for LSA, but some don't as it has to be set right to get there. I'd think the 650 might be a better choice as Zenith has put the 601XL as the latest model to move from the HD. Still your decision to make and welcome to the forum. I like the Subaru, if a few pounds heavier than the Rotax, it's much less costly and is just as reliable as any of them. Car gas is cheaper than 100LL too so if you decide to go that way the path has been cleared for success a long time ago. If I can be of help just ask. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ejohns wrote: > > I have been lurking on this forum for some time and dreaming of building a Zenith design. I have narrowed my choices down to either the 601 HD or the 650. I have chosen these two designs as each can be built and flown as an LSA. I like the increased payload capabilities, styling, speed potential, and ease of construction of the 650, but I am also intrigued by the capabilities and efficiency of the HD with a smaller engine. I would appreciate anyones insight about this before I purchase the plans. > > Thanks in advance. > Ernie > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:30 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Has your bubble canopy fogged up????? From: "Tommy Walker" The good Lord knows you need some help with frogging down there in froggy bottom.... :) Tommy Do Not Archive [quote="dredmoody(at)cox.net"]I'm currently waiting on the FAA for airworthiness inspection so the only fogging I have experienced is while working inside the cabin with the canopy down. In motion, I suspect that the fresh air vents will take care of most or all fogging except for very cool / cold days. If it becomes a problem, my plan is to remove my forward top skin after marking where the canopy touches it. A couple of inches inside that line I will drill a series of 3/8" diameter holes evenly spaced to allow the electronics cooling fan to vent the warmed air up to the bubble in front. I installed a big cpu muffin fan (~ 75 cfpm) in the support from the bottom of the panel to the firewall early on. It keeps the area under the forward top skin from becoming a greenhouse-like heat dome. I figure that warm air can be put to good use as needed later on. Ed > [b] -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238080#238080 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.