---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/10/09: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:52 AM - vapor lock (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net) 2. 07:21 AM - Vapor Lock (Dave New) 3. 11:35 AM - Vapor lock? (MaxNr@aol.com) 4. 12:17 PM - Free Zodiac Tail Kit - Pickup near Tucson, AZ (Andrew Hinsdale) 5. 12:34 PM - Re: Vapor lock? (Dan Wilde) 6. 03:08 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Vapor lock? (LarryMcFarland) 7. 03:34 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Vapor lock? () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:33 AM PST US From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net Subject: Zenith-List: vapor lock List, i have a 601XL with Facet pump mounted 3" above the bottom of the firewall ( engine side ). it is on the passenger side opposite the exhaust pipe. On hot days after flying the Facet pump will sometimes cavitate and not develop much pressure ( about 1/2 psi ). the Jabiru 3300 engine always starts quickly every time and i have had no in flight fluctuations. i use it like the Piper Cherokee boost pump on take off and landing. we have 2 601 XL's on the field and we can tell who is running wheel pants and who isn't. we calculate 5 to 7 MPH at same power settings. about 5 at 22" MP and 7 at 25". N131BP 83 hrs. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:32 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Vapor Lock From: "Dave New" Hello I built a 601 HDS with a EA81 Subaru. Have been flying it for over 5 years. I used to have the facet fuel pumps connected in parallel mounted on the firewall. I use a pressure switch to warn of low fuel pressure. On hot days I would see the pressure light come on at appox 1-2 psi. This would also happed when flying with less than full throttle. Never had the engine quit but sure makes you nervous. Since then I moved the pumps off the firewall and into the cabin. I know a lot of you don't like fuel in the cabin area but it has been done for years. I plumed it with hard lines and fittings. The system works much better. With my Subaru I can routinely see 120 mph cruise at about 5 gph. With the right conditions I have seen 130 mph verified with GPS average. I have wheel pants and have never flown it without. Dave New Construction Inspector M.C. Schaff & Associates, Inc. 818 S Beltline Hwy E Scottsbluff, NE 69361 (P) 308.635.1926 (C) 308.641.7920 (F) 308.635.7807 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:29 AM PST US From: MaxNr@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Vapor lock? This is good stuff and I'm learning a lot. One missing piece is: anybody using non aviation fuel with ethanol? The difference in vapor pressure is big. Yeah, I know that alky is forbidden in aviation, but here if FL, its all you can get except for 100LL. Bob 601XL/Lyc (wings) Do not archive ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! sc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:36 PM PST US From: Andrew Hinsdale Subject: Zenith-List: Free Zodiac Tail Kit - Pickup near Tucson, AZ Hello Listers=0A=0AI am abandoning my Zodiac project. I will give away a m ostly unbuilt Zenair 601 tail kit to anyone who gives me $350 for my genuin e Zenair 601 plans. Included are complete 601 HD/HDS and XL plans, an HD t ail kit with XL structural upgrades, and some other stuff that I have accum ulated while building. The tail kit was originally HD spec, and although Z enith will tell you "all 601 tails are the same" they are NOT. Many XL par ts are thicker aluminum and the elevator control horn structure in the XL i s a complete 360. I identified each of these parts and purchased the XL upg rades. If you want the HD-spec parts those are included as well. The rudd er is finished, built at a Silver Sky Aviation workshop in Phoenix under th e watchful eye of an experienced Zodiac builder and A&P mechanic. I starte d drilling out the main spar but did not get very far when life intervened and caused me to lose all my momentum and motivation to continue. =0A=0ANo w please not this is all for PICKUP ONLY in Oro Valley, AZ, a suburb of Tuc son on the NW side of town (toward Phoenix). Anyone wishing to take this o ff my hands can also make me an offer on my almost new Kobalt (Lowe's) 8-ga l air compressor, Zhipp air drill, and some other stuff I have lying around . The tail kit box is about 16 by 24 by 100 inches (just over 8 feet).=0A =0AFirst to email me off list gets it all for $350. We can arrange pickup and payment most days but weekends are obviously best.=0A=0AEmail off list please if you have any questions.=0A=0AThanks=0A=0AAndy Hinsdale=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:41 PM PST US From: Dan Wilde Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vapor lock? MaxNr@aol.com wrote: > This is good stuff and I'm learning a lot. One missing piece is: > anybody using non aviation fuel with ethanol? The difference in vapor > pressure is big. Yeah, I know that alky is forbidden in aviation, but > here if FL, its all you can get except for 100LL. > > Bob > 601XL/Lyc (wings) > Do not archive > > I just received a service bulletin update from Rotax that says their engines are ok for 10% ethanol! Dan Wilde N948DW ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:38 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: [Probable Spam] Zenith-List: Vapor lock? Hi Bob, The 87-octane in Illinois also has a mandated 10% ethanol and I use it in my Stratus Subaru without any difficulty. If your floats, fuel gaskets, O-rings and such that are exposed to fuel are less than 5 years old, it's a good chance you'll not have any trouble. The good thing is Ethanol refining operations in Iowa and Illinois are shutting down and declaring bankruptcy. Legislators are seeing the error of their ways as it's not good policy and ethanol has the same effect on people as does asbestos. It's twice as bad on people as an old coal burning power plant. When they ever get called down on it, EPA will kill it and ethanol should disappear. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com MaxNr@aol.com wrote: > This is good stuff and I'm learning a lot. One missing piece is: > anybody using non aviation fuel with ethanol? The difference in vapor > pressure is big. Yeah, I know that alky is forbidden in aviation, but > here if FL, its all you can get except for 100LL. > > Bob > 601XL/Lyc (wings) > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:36 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: [Probable Spam] Zenith-List: Vapor lock? There has to be a very special place down there fror anybody who would burn good moonshine in an engine. Paul Rodriguez DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: LarryMcFarland To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Probable Spam] Zenith-List: Vapor lock? > Hi Bob, The 87-octane in Illinois also has a mandated 10% ethanol and I use it in my Stratus Subaru without any difficulty. If your floats, fuel gaskets, O-rings and such that are exposed to fuel are less than 5 years old, it's a good chance you'll not have any trouble. The good thing is Ethanol refining operations in Iowa and Illinois are shutting down and declaring bankruptcy. Legislators are seeing the error of their ways as it's not good policy and ethanol has the same effect on people as does asbestos. It's twice as bad on people as an old coal burning power plant. When they ever get called down on it, EPA will kill it and ethanol should disappear. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com MaxNr@aol.com wrote: > This is good stuff and I'm learning a lot. One missing piece is: > anybody using non aviation fuel with ethanol? The difference in vapor > pressure is big. Yeah, I know that alky is forbidden in aviation, but > here if FL, its all you can get except for 100LL. > > Bob > 601XL/Lyc (wings) > Do not archive > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.