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1. 07:36 AM - Seat pan (Bill Naumuk)
2. 08:09 AM - Re: Seat pan (Leo Gates)
3. 08:22 AM - Re: Seat pan (Carlos Sa)
4. 11:42 AM - Need help with solid rivets. (William Dominguez)
5. 12:03 PM - Re: Need help with solid rivets. (JohnDRead@aol.com)
6. 12:17 PM - Re: Need help with solid rivets. (Bill Naumuk)
7. 12:23 PM - Re: Seat pan (Roger & Lina Hill)
8. 12:29 PM - Re: Seat pan (LarryMcFarland)
9. 01:33 PM - Re: Need help with solid rivets. (William Dominguez)
10. 03:39 PM - Re: Need help with solid rivets. (Bill Naumuk)
11. 03:39 PM - Re: Seat pan (Bill Naumuk)
12. 07:47 PM - Re: Seat pan (Peter Chapman)
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All-
The HDS plans call for a height of 10-30mm from the floor to the
seat pan to allow for differing amounts of headroom. I'm the industry
average 5' 10". What height would work best?
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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10mm - Don't forget you may have a passenger!
Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> The HDS plans call for a height of 10-30mm from the floor to the
> seat pan to allow for differing amounts of headroom. I'm the industry
> average 5' 10". What height would work best?
> do not archive
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
> *
>
>
> *
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Bill, don't forget you call always add cushions - but it will be though to
lower the seat pan once riveted.
Cheers
Carlos
2009/4/12 Bill Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net>
> All-
> The HDS plans call for a height of 10-30mm from the floor to the seat
> pan to allow for differing amounts of headroom. I'm the industry average 5'
> 10". What height would work best?
> do not archive
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>
> *
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Need help with solid rivets. |
I've been practicing driving solid rivets, have tried different ways and my problem
is that the shop head is coming out to much to the side. I'm using and arbor
press and after I hit the first or second blow with the hammer the shank immediately
start leaning.
I have realized that the solid rivets that I purchased in ZAC might be too long.
I ordered AN470-AD-5-9 and based on this table;
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/solidalumrivets.php
they are supposed to be 5/32 x 9/16. However, the ones provided by ZAC measure
5/32 x 5/8, that is one size longer. Could this be the problem?, I'm I missing
something?
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
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| Subject: | Re: Need help with solid rivets. |
Bill;
Solid rivets are very sensitive to length, so you should get the
correct length for the joint you are making.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 4/12/2009 12:42:42 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
bill_dom@yahoo.com writes:
I've been practicing driving solid rivets, have tried different ways and
my problem is that the shop head is coming out to much to the side. I'm
using and arbor press and after I hit the first or second blow with the hammer
the shank immediately start leaning.
I have realized that the solid rivets that I purchased in ZAC might be too
long. I ordered AN470-AD-5-9 and based on this table;
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/solidalumrivets.php
they are supposed to be 5/32 x 9/16. However, the ones provided by ZAC
measure 5/32 x 5/8, that is one size longer. Could this be the problem?, I'm
I missing something?
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
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| Subject: | Re: Need help with solid rivets. |
William-
From my experience, they're too long. Try grinding 1-16"-1/8" off
and see if they set better. Won't cost you anything to try.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: William Dominguez
To: Matronics List
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets.
I've been practicing driving solid rivets, have tried different
ways and my problem is that the shop head is coming out to much to the
side. I'm using and arbor press and after I hit the first or second blow
with the hammer the shank immediately start leaning.
I have realized that the solid rivets that I purchased in ZAC
might be too long. I ordered AN470-AD-5-9 and based on this table;
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/solidalumrivets.php
they are supposed to be 5/32 x 9/16. However, the ones provided
by ZAC measure 5/32 x 5/8, that is one size longer. Could this be the
problem?, I'm I missing something?
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
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Ya, higher is better because you will be wearing a head set.
If you need to sell it one day, you can offer it to taller folks to boot.
Roger
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:32 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Seat pan
All-
The HDS plans call for a height of 10-30mm from the floor to the seat
pan to allow for differing amounts of headroom. I'm the industry average 5'
10". What height would work best?
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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Hi Bill,
I'm 6'-1" and my pan is 10mm off the belly. I added approximately 2"
foam measured while setting on it with a steel rod across the foam so it
could be accurately
measured as crush deflected. So I'm off the seat pan that far and find
the height is nearly perfect for my 197 lb weight. The view over the
nose can be easily seen
if you're at a best max height, so don't let yourself set too deep in
the pan, so to speak.
see link,
www.macsmachine.com/html/seatupholstery.htm
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachiine.com
Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> The HDS plans call for a height of 10-30mm from the floor to the
> seat pan to allow for differing amounts of headroom. I'm the industry
> average 5' 10". What height would work best?
> do not archive
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
> *
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Need help with solid rivets. |
Yes, I just shortened one of them a little bit and it went a lot better, th
anks. When the protruding length is 1.5 the diameter of the shank it create
a more concentric shop head. I also realized that ZAC did send me the righ
t ones but I was measuring it the wrong way. However, the protruding side i
s still a bit longer than 1.5 x shank diameter. I also have noticed that wh
en the hole is tight it help create a more concentric shop head but because
I'm using the same hole over and over for my practice, the hole gets bigge
r and this make the shank lean a bit more.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
--- On Sun, 4/12/09, Bill Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets.
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=0A =0A =0A =0A I've been practicing driving solid rivets, have
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I have realized that the solid rivets that I purchased =0A in ZAC mi
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http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/solidalumrivets.php
they =0A are supposed to be 5/32 x 9/16. However, the ones provided
by ZAC =0A measure 5/32 x 5/8, that is one size longer. Could this b
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William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL =0A Plans
Miami Florida =0A
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| Subject: | Re: Need help with solid rivets. |
Glad to hear it worked out.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: William Dominguez
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets.
Yes, I just shortened one of them a little bit and it went a lot
better, thanks. When the protruding length is 1.5 the diameter of the
shank it create a more concentric shop head. I also realized that ZAC
did send me the right ones but I was measuring it the wrong way.
However, the protruding side is still a bit longer than 1.5 x shank
diameter. I also have noticed that when the hole is tight it help create
a more concentric shop head but because I'm using the same hole over and
over for my practice, the hole gets bigger and this make the shank lean
a bit more.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www..geocities.com/bill_dom
--- On Sun, 4/12/09, Bill Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets.
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 3:17 PM
William-
From my experience, they're too long. Try grinding
1-16"-1/8" off and see if they set better. Won't cost you anything to
try.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: William Dominguez
To: Matronics List
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets.
I've been practicing driving solid rivets, have tried
different ways and my problem is that the shop head is coming out to
much to the side. I'm using and arbor press and after I hit the first or
second blow with the hammer the shank immediately start leaning.
I have realized that the solid rivets that I purchased
in ZAC might be too long. I ordered AN470-AD-5-9 and based on this
table;
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/solidalumrivets.php
they are supposed to be 5/32 x 9/16. However, the ones
provided by ZAC measure 5/32 x 5/8, that is one size longer. Could this
be the problem?, I'm I missing something?
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
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Larry-
30mm doesn't seem like a whole lot of range. I'll probably split the
difference at 20mm.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat pan
>
> Hi Bill,
> I'm 6'-1" and my pan is 10mm off the belly. I added approximately 2" foam
> measured while setting on it with a steel rod across the foam so it could
> be accurately
> measured as crush deflected. So I'm off the seat pan that far and find the
> height is nearly perfect for my 197 lb weight. The view over the nose can
> be easily seen
> if you're at a best max height, so don't let yourself set too deep in the
> pan, so to speak.
> see link,
> www.macsmachine.com/html/seatupholstery.htm
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachiine.com
>
> Bill Naumuk wrote:
>> All-
>> The HDS plans call for a height of 10-30mm from the floor to the seat
>> pan to allow for differing amounts of headroom. I'm the industry average
>> 5' 10". What height would work best?
>> do not archive
>> Bill Naumuk
>> Townville, Pa.
>> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
>> *
>> *
>
>
>
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At 10:32 12-04-09, you wrote:
> The HDS plans call for a height of 10-30mm from the floor to
> the seat pan to allow for differing amounts of headroom. I'm the
> industry average 5' 10". What height would work best?
I'm 6'1" and went for the 10 mm on both sides. Then for whichever
seat pan where someone shorter is sitting, I made an up to 2" (?)
thick filler piece sculpted to the curve of the pan, made out of hard
insulation board foam. It's light weight and won't compress, unlike
if one just stuffs cushions in or puts in extra layers of heavy
Confor foam. The upholstered seat pan foam then can either sit down
in the pan or on top of the filler piece.
My dad and I also bought Peltor headsets, which don't have thick
cushions on top or big adjustment slides sticking up above the ear
cups. That's handy for extra head room, especially if one leans
outboard, head against the canopy, to get a better view past the
nose, such as when the nose is high in the flare.
Peter Chapman
Toronto, ON 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC
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