---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/12/09: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:36 AM - Seat pan (Bill Naumuk) 2. 08:09 AM - Re: Seat pan (Leo Gates) 3. 08:22 AM - Re: Seat pan (Carlos Sa) 4. 11:42 AM - Need help with solid rivets. (William Dominguez) 5. 12:03 PM - Re: Need help with solid rivets. (JohnDRead@aol.com) 6. 12:17 PM - Re: Need help with solid rivets. (Bill Naumuk) 7. 12:23 PM - Re: Seat pan (Roger & Lina Hill) 8. 12:29 PM - Re: Seat pan (LarryMcFarland) 9. 01:33 PM - Re: Need help with solid rivets. (William Dominguez) 10. 03:39 PM - Re: Need help with solid rivets. (Bill Naumuk) 11. 03:39 PM - Re: Seat pan (Bill Naumuk) 12. 07:47 PM - Re: Seat pan (Peter Chapman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:15 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Seat pan All- The HDS plans call for a height of 10-30mm from the floor to the seat pan to allow for differing amounts of headroom. I'm the industry average 5' 10". What height would work best? do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:20 AM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat pan 10mm - Don't forget you may have a passenger! Bill Naumuk wrote: > All- > The HDS plans call for a height of 10-30mm from the floor to the > seat pan to allow for differing amounts of headroom. I'm the industry > average 5' 10". What height would work best? > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > Townville, Pa. > HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat pan From: Carlos Sa Bill, don't forget you call always add cushions - but it will be though to lower the seat pan once riveted. Cheers Carlos 2009/4/12 Bill Naumuk > All- > The HDS plans call for a height of 10-30mm from the floor to the seat > pan to allow for differing amounts of headroom. I'm the industry average 5' > 10". What height would work best? > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > Townville, Pa. > HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% > > * > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:07 AM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets. I've been practicing driving solid rivets, have tried different ways and my problem is that the shop head is coming out to much to the side. I'm using and arbor press and after I hit the first or second blow with the hammer the shank immediately start leaning. I have realized that the solid rivets that I purchased in ZAC might be too long. I ordered AN470-AD-5-9 and based on this table; http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/solidalumrivets.php they are supposed to be 5/32 x 9/16. However, the ones provided by ZAC measure 5/32 x 5/8, that is one size longer. Could this be the problem?, I'm I missing something? William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami Florida http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:23 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets. Bill; Solid rivets are very sensitive to length, so you should get the correct length for the joint you are making. John Read CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 4/12/2009 12:42:42 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, bill_dom@yahoo.com writes: I've been practicing driving solid rivets, have tried different ways and my problem is that the shop head is coming out to much to the side. I'm using and arbor press and after I hit the first or second blow with the hammer the shank immediately start leaning. I have realized that the solid rivets that I purchased in ZAC might be too long. I ordered AN470-AD-5-9 and based on this table; http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/solidalumrivets.php they are supposed to be 5/32 x 9/16. However, the ones provided by ZAC measure 5/32 x 5/8, that is one size longer. Could this be the problem?, I'm I missing something? William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami Florida http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:59 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets. William- From my experience, they're too long. Try grinding 1-16"-1/8" off and see if they set better. Won't cost you anything to try. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: William Dominguez To: Matronics List Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets. I've been practicing driving solid rivets, have tried different ways and my problem is that the shop head is coming out to much to the side. I'm using and arbor press and after I hit the first or second blow with the hammer the shank immediately start leaning. I have realized that the solid rivets that I purchased in ZAC might be too long. I ordered AN470-AD-5-9 and based on this table; http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/solidalumrivets.php they are supposed to be 5/32 x 9/16. However, the ones provided by ZAC measure 5/32 x 5/8, that is one size longer. Could this be the problem?, I'm I missing something? William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami Florida http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:25 PM PST US From: "Roger & Lina Hill" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Seat pan Ya, higher is better because you will be wearing a head set. If you need to sell it one day, you can offer it to taller folks to boot. Roger _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:32 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Seat pan All- The HDS plans call for a height of 10-30mm from the floor to the seat pan to allow for differing amounts of headroom. I'm the industry average 5' 10". What height would work best? do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:40 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat pan Hi Bill, I'm 6'-1" and my pan is 10mm off the belly. I added approximately 2" foam measured while setting on it with a steel rod across the foam so it could be accurately measured as crush deflected. So I'm off the seat pan that far and find the height is nearly perfect for my 197 lb weight. The view over the nose can be easily seen if you're at a best max height, so don't let yourself set too deep in the pan, so to speak. see link, www.macsmachine.com/html/seatupholstery.htm Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachiine.com Bill Naumuk wrote: > All- > The HDS plans call for a height of 10-30mm from the floor to the > seat pan to allow for differing amounts of headroom. I'm the industry > average 5' 10". What height would work best? > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > Townville, Pa. > HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% > * > * ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:42 PM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets. Yes, I just shortened one of them a little bit and it went a lot better, th anks. When the protruding length is 1.5 the diameter of the shank it create a more concentric shop head. I also realized that ZAC did send me the righ t ones but I was measuring it the wrong way. However, the protruding side i s still a bit longer than 1.5 x shank diameter. I also have noticed that wh en the hole is tight it help create a more concentric shop head but because I'm using the same hole over and over for my practice, the hole gets bigge r and this make the shank lean a bit more. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami Florida http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Bill Naumuk wrote: From: Bill Naumuk Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets. =0A=0A =0A =0A=0AWilliam-=0A--- From my experience, they're too =0Alo ng. Try grinding 1-16"-1/8" off and see if they set better. Won't cost you =0Aanything to try.=0A--- --- =0A--- --- --- --- =0A--- --- --- --- =0A--- --- --- --- =0A--- --- --- --- =0A-- - --- Bill=0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: =0A Will iam =0A Dominguez =0A To: Matronics List =0A Sent: Sunday, April 12, 200 9 2:40 =0APM=0A Subject: Zenith-List: Need help with =0A solid rivets.=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A I've been practicing driving solid rivets, have tried =0A different ways and my problem is that the shop head is co ming out to =0A much to the side. I'm using and arbor press and afte r I hit the first or =0A second blow with the hammer the shank immed iately start =0A leaning. I have realized that the solid rivets that I purchased =0A in ZAC mi ght be too long. I ordered AN470-AD-5-9 and based on this =0A table; http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/solidalumrivets.php they =0A are supposed to be 5/32 x 9/16. However, the ones provided by ZAC =0A measure 5/32 x 5/8, that is one size longer. Could this b e the problem?, =0A I'm I missing something? William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL =0A Plans Miami Florida =0A http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:33 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets. Glad to hear it worked out. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: William Dominguez To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets. Yes, I just shortened one of them a little bit and it went a lot better, thanks. When the protruding length is 1.5 the diameter of the shank it create a more concentric shop head. I also realized that ZAC did send me the right ones but I was measuring it the wrong way. However, the protruding side is still a bit longer than 1.5 x shank diameter. I also have noticed that when the hole is tight it help create a more concentric shop head but because I'm using the same hole over and over for my practice, the hole gets bigger and this make the shank lean a bit more. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami Florida http://www..geocities.com/bill_dom --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Bill Naumuk wrote: From: Bill Naumuk Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets. To: zenith-list@matronics.com Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 3:17 PM William- From my experience, they're too long. Try grinding 1-16"-1/8" off and see if they set better. Won't cost you anything to try. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: William Dominguez To: Matronics List Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Need help with solid rivets. I've been practicing driving solid rivets, have tried different ways and my problem is that the shop head is coming out to much to the side. I'm using and arbor press and after I hit the first or second blow with the hammer the shank immediately start leaning. I have realized that the solid rivets that I purchased in ZAC might be too long. I ordered AN470-AD-5-9 and based on this table; http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/solidalumrivets.php they are supposed to be 5/32 x 9/16. However, the ones provided by ZAC measure 5/32 x 5/8, that is one size longer. Could this be the problem?, I'm I missing something? William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami Florida http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="h ttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c< href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron i="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http:/========== ============== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:33 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat pan Larry- 30mm doesn't seem like a whole lot of range. I'll probably split the difference at 20mm. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat pan > > Hi Bill, > I'm 6'-1" and my pan is 10mm off the belly. I added approximately 2" foam > measured while setting on it with a steel rod across the foam so it could > be accurately > measured as crush deflected. So I'm off the seat pan that far and find the > height is nearly perfect for my 197 lb weight. The view over the nose can > be easily seen > if you're at a best max height, so don't let yourself set too deep in the > pan, so to speak. > see link, > www.macsmachine.com/html/seatupholstery.htm > > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachiine.com > > Bill Naumuk wrote: >> All- >> The HDS plans call for a height of 10-30mm from the floor to the seat >> pan to allow for differing amounts of headroom. I'm the industry average >> 5' 10". What height would work best? >> do not archive >> Bill Naumuk >> Townville, Pa. >> HDS 601MG/Corvair 95% >> * >> * > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:05 PM PST US From: Peter Chapman Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Seat pan At 10:32 12-04-09, you wrote: > The HDS plans call for a height of 10-30mm from the floor to > the seat pan to allow for differing amounts of headroom. I'm the > industry average 5' 10". What height would work best? I'm 6'1" and went for the 10 mm on both sides. Then for whichever seat pan where someone shorter is sitting, I made an up to 2" (?) thick filler piece sculpted to the curve of the pan, made out of hard insulation board foam. It's light weight and won't compress, unlike if one just stuffs cushions in or puts in extra layers of heavy Confor foam. The upholstered seat pan foam then can either sit down in the pan or on top of the filler piece. My dad and I also bought Peltor headsets, which don't have thick cushions on top or big adjustment slides sticking up above the ear cups. That's handy for extra head room, especially if one leans outboard, head against the canopy, to get a better view past the nose, such as when the nose is high in the flare. Peter Chapman Toronto, ON 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.