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1. 07:04 AM - Apologies to all (Edward Moody II)
2. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: Attention all Rednecks (Elden Jacobson)
3. 12:47 PM - Re: Apologies to all (Dave Austin)
4. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: Control cable tension (a.f.rupp@att.net)
5. 01:16 PM - Modesto Bee article (Rich Simmons)
6. 01:41 PM - Re: Modesto Bee article (Dave)
7. 02:32 PM - Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" (George Race)
8. 02:49 PM - Re: Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" (steve)
9. 04:26 PM - Re: Re: ZBAGers to the rescue. (Gary Gower)
10. 05:34 PM - Re: Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" (Roger & Lina Hill)
11. 06:14 PM - Re: Re: ZBAGers to the rescue. (Juan Vega)
12. 08:43 PM - Re: cable tension 601 hds ? (JohnDRead@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Apologies to all |
I did not ask for any of this to happen so please don't make me the
villain. I simply ask to be allowed to take responsibility for my
actions. I find that much less redneck and arrogant than those who act
to take away that option. I understand that ZBAGers meant well and
probably continue to mean well. I object to the consequences of their
action, specifically the indefinite moratorium on certification of my
plane. Go ahead and hate me for that if you must, but remember, all the
601XLs that are certified are still flying and will continue to do so
while my plane and any others awaiting inspection have been singled out
for de facto grounding.
I do believe the ZBAG, for better or for worse, have brought this on. I
may be far wrong about that. They may be far wrong as well. If I am
wrong, they are not harmed. If they are wrong their course of action
harms me via governmental fiat. I am truly sorry if my words offend any
of you. I don't recall writing that the ZBAG engineers should go off and
play with their slide rules or anything remote arrogant as the
suggestion that I go shoot a gun to vent my frustration. What I actually
did was (A) I checked out yesterday in an AMD 601XL with a very good
flight instructor (and accomplished my BFR a few months early... never
hurts to learn something), and (B) I am pursuing the DAR route of
inspection and certification.
If I crash and burn, go ahead and say "I told him so". Rest assured that
I will not be flying over any house or congested areas and that I will
do my best to inspect and maintain my airplane and to fly it responsibly
and safely. For those who believe the current design cannot be flown
safely I am at a loss to assure you. This will be the last I post (other
than private emails) on the subject until it is resolved to the
satisfaction of the FAA . If any of you wish to contact me off-list you
are welcome to do so but let's keep it civil please.
Ed Moody II
N4568G
CH601XL/Jabiru/Sensenich GA
dredmoody@cox.net
PS: Although my neck is indeed red, I am not not a redneck. I am an
obstinate American of Irish descent. Hate me if you must; I will not
return the sentiment.
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| Subject: | Re: Attention all Rednecks |
I wish I could be there; we'll look forward to your reporting with anticipa
tion.
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Elden
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--- On Sun, 4/19/09, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Attention all Rednecks
>
Sure it would, Elden. Only we're not in a position to make judgements about
when the company should or shouldn't release information on a mass basis.
But as a 601 builder/pilot, I'd like to hear as much as I can as soon as po
ssible.
I agree that the info from the mothership has been sparse at best, and in i
ts absence, imaginations tend to run wild. But what we have seen has been l
ogical and well thought out when released. All along they've said "no news
is goods news" while search for the fatal smoking gun, and I believe it.
Sun n Fun is nigh, and I'll bet my Blue Mountain EFIS that Zenith will have
plenty to say on the issue during the event. I'm sure looking forward to s
pending some face time with them.
rick
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Elden Jacobson <eldenej@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Apr 18, 2009 12:46 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Attention all Rednecks
>
>Thank you, Rick. My only question: instead of each one of us calling Zenit
h, wouldn't it have been easier for them to have publicly said: "this is wh
at we are doing in response to the real concerns being expressed by the NTS
B and xl owners/builders"? If they are leading at this point, I'd sure like
them to so state.
>
>Elden Jacobson
>
>Do not archive
>
>--- On Sun, 4/19/09, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Attention all Rednecks
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 1:28 AM
>
>
m>
>
>Spot ON, Jay! Bravo Zulu!
>
>There are TWO incorrect assumptions floating about here. One is that ailer
on flutter or vibration alone is the smoking gun in all of the 601 crashes,
and the second is that "Zenith isn't doing anything" about it. Horse pucky
.
>
>According to Sebastien, and I don't think he's lying, the 601 airframe is
undergoing a complete structural review AGAIN, by two outside engineers ind
ependently, only to FAR Part 23 standards this time (which includes flutter
testing). All it took was a simple phone call on Wednesday to find this ou
t.
>
>Yes, the elevator pitch sensitivity is a LOT higher than other, certified
airplanes. Frankly, I've spent the last 30 years flying Grummans mostly, wh
ich are also pitch sensitive. So this doesn't bother me in the slightest. H
owever, the thought of a passenger accidently jamming the stick forward in
cruise scares the bejezus out of me, as it's really tough to reattach the w
ings as they flutter away from the fuselage. So I also installed the elevat
or stops that limit downward deflection to 15 degrees as a hedge against th
is.
>
>And, yes. A day at the rifle range, like a day flying, is time well invest
ed.
>
>Rick Lindstrom
>Proudly Redneck
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: jaybannist@cs.com
>>Sent: Apr 18, 2009 12:33 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Attention all Rednecks
>>
>>
>> I believe that the old adage "haste makes waste" is still valid.? Zenith
has said that they are working on the problem.? I, for one, really don't w
ant to agitate for a quick solution to a problem that might not exist; nor
to solve a perceived problem, only to ignore a real problem.
>>
>>Suppose Zenith issues an aileron mass balance solution, but aileron flutt
er isn't really the problem.? That would leave us with a hidden problem, wo
uldn't it?? I would much rather? Zenith have the time to find out what the
problem really is (if there is a problem) before developing something to sa
tisfy a perceived problem.
>>
>>Jay Bannister
>
>le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Apologies to all |
Amen to that, Ed.
Keep your speed down.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: Control cable tension |
All, for what its worth. (.02)
The date on my A&P is 6/14/47 and I have earned my living with it ever since, and
Air Force before that. From J-3 to 767. Having done my share of control cable
changes and checks I would say if you have to check tension between annuals
something was not done properly.
If you have fairleads, as we do on the XL, and have galvanized cables and your
cable direction change is less than five degrees and you have stretched the cable
after making it, it will not need adjustment between annual inspections. If
you have pulleys it will last longer. If your A&P does not check every inch
of the cable during an annual for fraying breakege, pulley or fairlead wear you
better get a new A&P. (Or yourself)
A good way to check and stretch your cable after you have made it is with a fish
scale and a come along. This checks the strength and stretch.
When you check your tension cycle your controls through several throws to make
sure there is not resistance on the balance or control cable. There should be
no slop between control stick and control movement..
Incidently they would not give me a date for certification check.
Fly by the numbers and I think it is a good airplane as is but I expect aileron
balance weights and a bobweight will be called out. Neither is a big deal to
install but the engineering has to be good or we are digging a deeper hole.
Be glad there is tension between the NSTB and the FAA. Everybody in the production
and flying of aircraft has an agenda abd we need balance.
Al Rupp
Lake Placid, NY
CH601 XL 6-6765 Corvair
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-------------- Original message from Juan Vega 2005@earthlink.net>: --------------
>
> all planes with cables are regularly tensioned. ASk you local A&P.
> >
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| Subject: | Modesto Bee article |
Hey listers,
I have tried to read the the links on the articles on the Subject accident and
my pages error out. It says they do not exist
I would like to read the outcome if anyone can give me some guidance as to where
else I can find it.
Thanks,
Rich Simmons
601XL Waiting on direction from the brain tank
i guess I need to buy another airplane if i want to fly now!
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Modesto Bee article |
I can't help you with the archives Rich. But your problem is not unique.
There appear to be a few people around here who think the accidents do
not exist also.
Before you flame, look up humour.
do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rich Simmons
To: Server, Zenith-List Digest
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:15 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Modesto Bee article
Hey listers,
I have tried to read the the links on the articles on the Subject
accident and my pages error out. It says they do not exist
I would like to read the outcome if anyone can give me some guidance
as to where else I can find it.
Thanks,
Rich Simmons
601XL Waiting on direction from the brain tank
i guess I need to buy another airplane if i want to fly now!
do not archive
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" |
Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT
www.mykitairplane.com <blocked::blocked::http://www.mykitairplane.com/>
Click on the Chat Room link on the page.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" |
Whats there to chat about ?
----- Original Message -----
From: George Race
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters"
Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT
www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link on the page.
George
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| Subject: | Re: ZBAGers to the rescue. |
Is very important for all of us, listers here, to write connecting our hand
s to our brain.-
-
Also I know that is dificult (for all of us) to understand that the wonderf
ull wise comments from Sabrina, come from a very bright and inteligent Teen
Ager that also legally is Minor of age.-- WE are not reading something
from an active o retired Aeronautical Engineer in their 50's plus!- Lets
PLEASE write with respect.
-
We Have alway keep in- mind to write as proper as we can,- even if some
of the members of your own family will not deserve it.
-
We all will be very sorry if the parents of Sabrina will not let here be in
the list,- we will certenly loose a member with great potencial.
-
Fo all of us,- We all know that the email is to let people act (write) wi
thout facing the other person, but that is a coward action.- If I was his
father, I will be very mad with that coward!
-
Sincerely I dont want to know who is he.- Because I will sure be very mad
when I meet him in person...
-
Sabrina, I am sorry for this.- I admire you very much, hope we can keep y
ou here...-
-
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Love this list,-hope have only friends, when I will meet any member perso
naly at OSH or S&F some year in the near-future.
-
--- On Fri, 4/17/09, Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> wrote:
From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: ZBAGers to the rescue
<chicago2paris@msn.com>
The guy behind ZBAG wrote me a 3 page e-mail calling me and comparing me to
STALIN. When I forwarded it to my parents they were not too pleased. T
his
new stuff is going to get to my parents and I may have to leave the list...
please EDIT your comments, PLEASE...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=239799#239799
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" |
Oh, I betcha I could guess what it's going to be about...
Roger
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters"
Whats there to chat about ?
----- Original Message -----
From: George <mailto:mykitairplane@mrrace.com> Race
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters"
Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT
www.mykitairplane.com
Click on the Chat Room link on the page.
George
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| Subject: | Re: ZBAGers to the rescue. |
so who is the dude behind ZBAG?
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Apr 19, 2009 7:25 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: ZBAGers to the rescue.
>
>Is very important for all of us, listers here, to write connecting our hands to
our brain.
>
>Also I know that is dificult (for all of us) to understand that the wonderfull
wise comments from Sabrina, come from a very bright and inteligent Teen Ager
that also legally is Minor of age. WE are not reading something from an active
o retired Aeronautical Engineer in their 50's plus! Lets PLEASE write with respect.
>
>We Have alway keep in mind to write as proper as we can, even if some of the members
of your own family will not deserve it.
>
>We all will be very sorry if the parents of Sabrina will not let here be in the
list, we will certenly loose a member with great potencial.
>
>Fo all of us, We all know that the email is to let people act (write) without
facing the other person, but that is a coward action. If I was his father, I will
be very mad with that coward!
>
>Sincerely I dont want to know who is he. Because I will sure be very mad when
I meet him in person...
>
>Sabrina, I am sorry for this. I admire you very much, hope we can keep you here...
>
>Saludos
>Gary Gower.
>Love this list,hope have only friends, when I will meet any member personaly at
OSH or S&F some year in the nearfuture.
>
>
>--- On Fri, 4/17/09, Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> wrote:
>
>From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: ZBAGers to the rescue
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 7:45 PM
>
><chicago2paris@msn.com>
>
>The guy behind ZBAG wrote me a 3 page e-mail calling me and comparing me to
>STALIN. When I forwarded it to my parents they were not too pleased. This
>new stuff is going to get to my parents and I may have to leave the list...
>please EDIT your comments, PLEASE...
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=239799#239799
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: cable tension 601 hds ? |
Hi Roger;
Page 29 of my 1995 CH601 HDS Construction Manual says the
tension should be between 30 and 40 lbs. Hoper this helps.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 4/17/2009 7:34:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
hills@sunflower.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Roger & Lina Hill"
<hills@sunflower.com>
Howdy all;
I have my annual inspection on Saturday, and for the life of me I can't
find
the 601 HDS cable tension specs. Does anyone know what the elevator and
rudder cables should be tension to on a 601 hds?
Thanks
Roger
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