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1. 06:34 AM - Re: serial number (Bill Naumuk)
2. 06:49 AM - Re: serial number (Gig Giacona)
3. 06:52 AM - Re: serial number (Rene Felker)
4. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: serial number (John Davis)
5. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: serial number (Rene Felker)
6. 07:25 AM - Re: Report no. 2 from Sun n Fun - The Heintz clan reactions to (Gig Giacona)
7. 07:28 AM - Re: serial number (Gig Giacona)
8. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: serial number (Jay Maynard)
9. 08:11 AM - Read This (roger lambert)
10. 08:15 AM - Re: Report no. 2 from Sun n Fun - The Heintz clan reactions to... (Jay Maynard)
11. 08:18 AM - Re: Read This (Jay Maynard)
12. 08:26 AM - Re: Report no. 2 from Sun n Fun - The Heintz clan reactions to (ronlee)
13. 11:59 AM - The breakups ()
14. 12:51 PM - Re: Read This (Ben52425@aol.com)
15. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: Report no. 2 from Sun n Fun - The Heintz clan reactions to t (Dave)
16. 01:08 PM - Re: Read This (Jay Maynard)
17. 01:20 PM - Re: The breakups (Dave)
18. 01:20 PM - Re: The breakups (Gig Giacona)
19. 03:40 PM - Re: Report no. 2 from Sun n Fun - The Heintz clan reactions to... (Randy)
20. 04:03 PM - Any other S'N'F reporting? (Bob Collins)
21. 04:48 PM - ENGINE, ENGINE #9 (Tommy Walker)
22. 09:35 PM - Re: Re: Report no. 2 from Sun n Fun - The Heintz clan reaction... (JohnDRead@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: serial number |
You learn something every day.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Sa
To: zenith-list@matronics.com ; zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: serial number
A few days ago there was a discussion about serial numbers.
Some were of the opinion that the builder assigns his/her own serial
number.
I found the following text (my underline) in the "601 price order
form" http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/data/601-price-orderform.pdf
2. This contract permits the buyer to build one (1) airplane (or part
of it) for recreational and educational purposes only. The type of
aircraft and the Drawings serial number must be visibly marked on the
vertical tail or fuselage sides of the aircraft.
Happy building
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: serial number |
It should be pointed out that the vast majority of the Zenith 601XL builders did
use the factory supplied serial number as their aircraft's serial number.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241024#241024
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That is a Zenith requirement and does not apply to the FAA registration.
You can create your own serial number for the registration....But, thanks
for pointing it out. If I take the plunge and build a 750, I now know I
have to put the Zenith number on the airframe also.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: serial number
You learn something every day.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Sa <mailto:carlossa52@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:59 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: serial number
A few days ago there was a discussion about serial numbers.
Some were of the opinion that the builder assigns his/her own serial number.
I found the following text (my underline) in the "601 price order form"
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/data/601-price-orderform.pdf
2. This contract permits the buyer to build one (1) airplane (or part of it)
for recreational and educational purposes only. The type of aircraft and the
Drawings serial number must be visibly marked on the vertical tail or
fuselage sides of the aircraft.
Happy building
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: serial number |
In fact when I sent in my original FAA registration paperwork I assigned
my own serial # of 001 and of course the kit bill of sale had the zenith
serial #. The FAA examiner returned the paperwork and asked me to use
only one serial # and that had to be the kit serial #. Added several
more weeks to the registration process to get this straightened out.
John Davis
N601JD
Burnsville, NC
Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> It should be pointed out that the vast majority of the Zenith 601XL builders
did use the factory supplied serial number as their aircraft's serial number.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241024#241024
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: serial number |
There you go, I guess it depends on who you deal with in the FAA. Had my
kit number on the Vans bill of sale and used 001 on my faa
registration.........
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Davis
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: serial number
In fact when I sent in my original FAA registration paperwork I assigned
my own serial # of 001 and of course the kit bill of sale had the zenith
serial #. The FAA examiner returned the paperwork and asked me to use
only one serial # and that had to be the kit serial #. Added several
more weeks to the registration process to get this straightened out.
John Davis
N601JD
Burnsville, NC
Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> It should be pointed out that the vast majority of the Zenith 601XL
builders did use the factory supplied serial number as their aircraft's
serial number.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241024#241024
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Report no. 2 from Sun n Fun - The Heintz clan reactions |
to
psm(at)att.net wrote:
> Hi Gig,
>
> Thank you for explaining a lot of your thinking
> on this issue. I will "Reward" you with an
> attempt at a reasonable response to your very
> long post. I admit I didn't have the patience to
> read the whole thing, but I read enough to get a good idea of your drift.
>
And I think we found your problem. You didn't have the patience to read. First
you didn't have the patience to read enough about the company you were buying
your kit from and then you didn't have the patience to read my post. Why should
we assume you had the patience to read the NTSB warning or even the building
instructions that came with your kit?
Once you have taken the time to actually read what I posted I'll be happy to talk
to you about it.
Former student Tang Soo Do
Former USPSA/IPSC Open & Tactical Pistol Competitor
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241034#241034
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| Subject: | Re: serial number |
johnd(at)data-tech.com wrote:
> In fact when I sent in my original FAA registration paperwork I assigned
> my own serial # of 001 and of course the kit bill of sale had the zenith
> serial #. The FAA examiner returned the paperwork and asked me to use
> only one serial # and that had to be the kit serial #. Added several
> more weeks to the registration process to get this straightened out.
>
> John Davis
> N601JD
> Burnsville, NC
>
I had heard of this problem cropping up from time to time which is why I used the
Zenith number. Plus I figured using my first and middle initials in the N#
was enough ego stroking for one airplane and that any more would just add weight.
:)
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241038#241038
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| Subject: | Re: serial number |
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 07:28:26AM -0700, Gig Giacona wrote:
> I had heard of this problem cropping up from time to time which is why I
> used the Zenith number. Plus I figured using my first and middle initials
> in the N# was enough ego stroking for one airplane and that any more would
> just add weight. :)
Indeed. I didn't get to pick my serial number at all, and it didn't bother
me. Nobody knows about that when they see the airplane, after all...
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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Insurance Rates Cut On Some LSAs
Avemco raised some eyebrows last year when it set minimum transition
training standards for those moving to LSAs. The company realized soon after
it began insuring LSAs that the accident profile was different. Experienced,
high-time pilots were wrecking LSAs at an alarming rate because they
assumed, like the insurance company did, that they would be easy to get used
to. The light wing loading and responsive controls of the little airplane
caused problems for many experienced pilots so the company insisted that its
customers take a minimum of five hours of dual with a qualified instructor
on the type of airplane they were insuring and that they pass a flight
review at the end of the training period. Lauerman said the accident rate
has plummeted since then.
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| Subject: | Re: Report no. 2 from Sun n Fun - The Heintz clan reactions |
to...
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:01:14PM -0400, JohnDRead@aol.com wrote:
> I was not intending to infer the Chris Heintz is perfect either, no body
> is BUT he has a good record in aviation engineering.
Good? Yes. Infallible? No. However, there are folks acting as though he is.
> While six planes having a problem in two year is troublesome it is quite
> a low failure rate.
It's much higher than average, and high enough that it's caused folks
responsible for aviation safety to sit up and take notice. That's all that
matters.
> So far the only common failure is that something caused the wings to
> separate, now as has been pointed out there are several possible causes,
> pilot error; flying the aircraft outside design limits, showing off and
> over speeding or overloading the airframe. Inadequate construction.
> Inappropriate modifications, flutter, improper adjustment of control
> cables and so on.
However, there's at least one accident where the airplane was built in a
certified factory and not flown outside the aircraft's design limits. That
leaves other causes that are far less easy to handwave away.
> The zbaggers are not an "official" group so why are they not being
> transparent with the alleged information they have? Let's see the
> qualifications of those who claim to be doing structural analysis and
> verify their calculations.
I agree. I've been trying to get this to happen, so far without much
success.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:00:21AM -0400, roger lambert wrote:
> Insurance Rates Cut On Some LSAs
I just got a quote for renewal of my policy with Avemco a couple of weeks
ago. They said they were re-rating the entire LSA class upward in price due
to claims. My cost would have gone up about $100 for the year. I've since
gotten quotes for over $900 less than Avemco's quote for better coverage.
I don't know if the Zodiac was one of the 13 aircraft they reduced rates on;
I plan to call them in a few days, once I get back home, and find out.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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| Subject: | Re: Report no. 2 from Sun n Fun - The Heintz clan reactions |
to
Jeez Paul, I can't possibly imagine anyone being quite so infatuated with oneself.
I'll bet at a party you talk about me,me,me nonstop!
--------
Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241061#241061
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I'm OK with various people having various interpretations and differing
viewpoints, but in all I have read, I am still waiting for the following
data: In each crash, has anybody identified the individual piece that
failed? I seem to recall that one crash summary stated that the main
spar had failed, and been twisted, but there seems to be a dearth of
information on this. as in: if the rear spar tore loose from the
carry-through, for instance, I'd look at either a thicker attach point
plate, or two attach point plates, on either side of the carry-through
and the spar. If it's flutter, then it seems reasonable to either
pre-load the ailerons a couple of degrees down, or use push-pull tubes
insttead of cables. If we're looking at excessive G, (positive or
negative) then maybe more stringent elevator stops would be called for.
If we're looking at excessive positive G, could that point to pilot
error? I have a hard time believing that somebody could not know when
he's pulling 4 or more G, no matter how light the stick force is. Since,
I'm sure, the FAA and NTSB have a set of plans, I'd love to see a
call-out of the part numbers that either failed or are broken, and are
not attributable to ground impact. Until somebody comes up with that
information, I guess I'll keep building, albeit at a slower pace.
Paul Rodriguez
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I JUST GOT MY BINDER FOR MY 601XL FROM FALCON
DROP DOWN $ 85.00 . I HOPE IT IS ONE OF THE 13 AIRCRAFT
BEN
In a message dated 4/24/2009 11:19:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jmaynard@conmicro.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@conmicro.com>
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:00:21AM -0400, roger lambert wrote:
> Insurance Rates Cut On Some LSAs
I just got a quote for renewal of my policy with Avemco a couple of weeks
ago. They said they were re-rating the entire LSA class upward in price due
to claims. My cost would have gone up about $100 for the year. I've since
gotten quotes for over $900 less than Avemco's quote for better coverage.
I don't know if the Zodiac was one of the 13 aircraft they reduced rates
on;
I plan to call them in a few days, once I get back home, and find out.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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| Subject: | Re: Report no. 2 from Sun n Fun - The Heintz clan reactions |
to t
Paul, you're probably an ok guy, I don't know and to be honest I don't care.
But I have no interest in your ability to split a Buick in two while killing
all the witnesses with your awesome pistol skills. Are you a great engineer?
Until you can divorce logic and emotion, I doubt it.
I've done some stuff that I am impressed with in my career also, I'm
probably the best expert my company has on technology that now resides in
the landfill site. Who cares?
The only issue at stake here in this forum is the 601 XL, and on that issue
you and I have the same great expertise... NONE AT ALL!
Telling the list about your awesome abilities and accomplishments and
education still doesn't allow you to devine whether there is or is not a
problem with the XL.
We do not know if there is a problem, or what it is if there is one, or what
is the solution if there is one. The only fact we have is that there have
been incidents, at a rate above the norm. That's it! Now here's the kicker,
if more XL's are commissioned and more flight hours are flown, the rate will
come down to the norm if nothing else happens. If nothing else happens other
than people fly their XL's and accumulate hours, maybe nothing was ever
wrong.
I think something is need of improvement with this aircraft, but I have no
idea what it is, and neither do you!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <psm@att.net>
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Report no. 2 from Sun n Fun
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:18:34AM -0500, Jay Maynard wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:00:21AM -0400, roger lambert wrote:
> > Insurance Rates Cut On Some LSAs
> I just got a quote for renewal of my policy with Avemco a couple of weeks
> ago. They said they were re-rating the entire LSA class upward in price due
> to claims. My cost would have gone up about $100 for the year. I've since
> gotten quotes for over $900 less than Avemco's quote for better coverage.
>
> I don't know if the Zodiac was one of the 13 aircraft they reduced rates on;
> I plan to call them in a few days, once I get back home, and find out.
I went ahead and called Avemco this morning. The Zodiac is not one of the
aircraft they're lowering; in fact, they cited the NTSB recommendation as to
why.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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| Subject: | Re: The breakups |
Hi Paul, NO! to my (limited) knowledge nobody knows if there is a
problem, much less what it is. But there have been incidents of
failures, and there is no proof of those pilots flying outside of the
envelope or abusing the airframe either. It's a big question mark.
Nobody knows, but now it looks like they are trying to find out. Keep
building.
----- Original Message -----
From: paulrod36@msn.com
To: zenith601-list ; zenith-list
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: The breakups
I'm OK with various people having various interpretations and
differing viewpoints, but in all I have read, I am still waiting for the
following data: In each crash, has anybody identified the individual
piece that failed? I seem to recall that one crash summary stated that
the main spar had failed, and been twisted, but there seems to be a
dearth of information on this. as in: if the rear spar tore loose from
the carry-through, for instance, I'd look at either a thicker attach
point plate, or two attach point plates, on either side of the
carry-through and the spar. If it's flutter, then it seems reasonable to
either pre-load the ailerons a couple of degrees down, or use push-pull
tubes insttead of cables. If we're looking at excessive G, (positive or
negative) then maybe more stringent elevator stops would be called for.
If we're looking at excessive positive G, could that point to pilot
error? I have a hard time believing that somebody could not know when
he's pulling 4 or more G, no matter how light the stick force is. Since,
I'm sure, the FAA and NTSB have a set of plans, I'd love to see a
call-out of the part numbers that either failed or are broken, and are
not attributable to ground impact. Until somebody comes up with that
information, I guess I'll keep building, albeit at a slower pace.
Paul Rodriguez
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| Subject: | Re: The breakups |
It sounds like the accident you are referring to is the Yuba City crash. It looks
like you have a firm grasp of what is in the report.
The problem isn't what part broke. I have not seen and the NTSB did not refer to
any data, that any part on the 601XL fails to hold up to the G forces called
out in the design with the exception of one report that the design might not
quite make the +6G ultimate load number. Hence, my suggestion in a previous post
to take your plans and mark out +6G and replace it with +5G.
The meat of the NTSB position is that something is happening that is causing the
aircraft to exceed the design load limit. They believe it is flutter and that
the only way to fix that is with mass balancing.
The designer feels that proper tension of the control cables is enough protection.
paulrod36(at)msn.com wrote:
> I'm OK with various people having various interpretations and differing viewpoints,
but in all I have read, I am still waiting for the following data:
In each crash, has anybody identified the individual piece that failed? I seem
to recall that one crash summary stated that the main spar had failed, and
been twisted, but there seems to be a dearth of information on this. as in:
if the rear spar tore loose from the carry-through, for instance, I'd look at
either a thicker attach point plate, or two attach point plates, on either
side of the carry-through and the spar. If it's flutter, then it seems reasonable
to either pre-load the ailerons a couple of degrees down, or use push-pull
tubes insttead of cables. If we're looking at excessive G, (positive or negative)
then maybe more stringent elevator stops would be called for. If we're
looking at excessive positive G, could that point to pilot error? I have a
hard time believing that somebody could not know when he's pulling 4 or more
G, no matter how light the stick force is. Since, I'm sure, the FAA and NTSB
have a set of plans, I'd love to see a call-out of the part numbers that either
failed or are broken, and are not attributable to ground impact. Until somebody
comes up with that information, I guess I'll keep building, albeit at
a slower pace.
>
> Paul Rodriguez
>
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241113#241113
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| Subject: | Re: Report no. 2 from Sun n Fun - The Heintz clan reactions |
to...
>However, there's at least one accident where the >airplane was built in a
>certified factory and not flown outside the aircraft's >design limits. That
>leaves other causes that are far less easy to handwave >away.
Jay,
I'm wondering how in the heck you can make this statement. Do you know for
sure that every hour put on that plane it was not flown outside the design
limits? It was never in rough tourbolence and never over controlled? Did
you personally witness that plane fly for the total hours it was flown?
Come on man,
Randy
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| Subject: | Any other S'N'F reporting? |
Did anyone else get any info from or about Zenith this week at
Sun'N'Fun? It might be nice to have more data to chew on.
Bob Collins
Sunnyvale CA USA
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| Subject: | ENGINE, ENGINE #9 |
Listers,
I am in the market for a Continental O-200 or a Rotax 912ULS
I would appreciate any referrals.
Thanks,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Do Not Archive
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Tommy Walker
N8701 - Anniston, AL
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241149#241149
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| Subject: | Re: Report no. 2 from Sun n Fun - The Heintz clan reaction... |
Paul, the sooner you go to hell the sooner we can all get on with our
lives. You are a royal pain. do not archive.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
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