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     1. 01:53 AM - Re: Landing mistake (n801bh@netzero.com)
     2. 04:44 AM - Re: Re: BSR Chute (Trevor Jennings)
     3. 05:39 AM - Re: Re: BSR Chute (Jay Maynard)
     4. 06:12 AM - Re: bushings (Gig Giacona)
     5. 06:12 AM - moderator needed? ()
     6. 06:17 AM - Re: BSR Chute (Gig Giacona)
     7. 06:17 AM - BRS decision ()
     8. 06:26 AM - Re: bushings (Bill Steer)
     9. 06:40 AM - Re: bushings (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
    10. 06:41 AM - Re: Whatever happened to Subies (Tim Shankland)
    11. 06:52 AM - Re: Still Have 601 HD/XL Tail Parts for Sale (wade jones)
    12. 07:07 AM - Re: bushings (JohnDRead@aol.com)
    13. 07:17 AM - Re: Whatever happened to Subies (Rick Lindstrom)
    14. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: BSR Chute (steve)
    15. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: BSR Chute (steve)
    16. 09:24 AM - Re: BSR Chute (Gary Gower)
    17. 12:46 PM - Re: BSR Chute (cookwithgas)
    18. 02:11 PM - Re: Whatever happened to Subies (n801bh@netzero.com)
    19. 03:59 PM - Connector swap? (Bill Naumuk)
    20. 08:04 PM - bushings - tx (Carlos Sa)
    21. 10:10 PM - XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! (Aaron)
    22. 11:05 PM - Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! (Aaron)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Landing mistake | 
      
      Yup. samething happens to me too. My best landings are when there is not
       a soul for 10 miles to witness it...<GG>
      do not archive
      
      
      Ben Haas
      N801BH
      www.haaspowerair.com
      
      ---------- Original Message ----------
      From: Dan Wilde <dwilde@clearwire.net>
      Subject: Zenith-List: Landing mistake
      
      
      Last Saturday I took my wife to Los Banos for lunch.  We took off from 
      
      our 900 foot strip (701) and headed south.  It was quite bumpy down low 
      
      
      so we powered up to 3500' and it was nice.  Since Los Banos is only 30 
      
      minutes away, even in a 701 we were quickly descending back into the 
      
      rough air to set up for landing. 
      
      
      On downwind we noticed there was no one around at all at the airport.  
      
      No planes,  humans or dogs.  I turned base and final and set up for the 
      
      
      landing.  We came over the numbers and the plane started settling down. 
      
      
      I started my flair and felt nothing.  No chirp, no bump, nothing until 
      
      the nose wheel settled down.  This was my best landing ever and there 
      
      was no one there to see it except my wife and she did not think it was a
      
      
      big deal!  Of course my next landing will be in front of a lot of people
      
      
      and it will likely be a real thumper.
      
      Dan Wilde
      N948DW
      
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      Also, just out of curiosity, how much did it cost to install the BRS chute?
      
      Cheers,
      
       - Trevor
      
      
      On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com> wrote:
      >
      > Scott:
      >
      > I had never really considered a chute until I saw your picture showing it
      > weighed 18.8 pounds. BRS's July 2008 price list shows a 1350 having BRS
      > system weights from 29 to 34 pounds. Do you have the softpact?
      >
      > Stan
      > 701/3300
      >
      >
      > On Apr 28, 2009, at 22:05 , cookwithgas wrote:
      >
      >>
      >> Common you guys! You are killing me with all this BAD INFORMATION! You
      >> guys throw numbers around like you are experts and you don't have a clue! I
      >> don't intend to offend anyone personally but some of you guys need a reality
      >> check. Here's a picture of my BRS pack on a scale:
      >>
      >> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/10_28_06_BRS_Weight.JPG
      >>
      >> 18.8 lbs. Clearly not 40 lbs in the back of the airplane! The gold thing
      >> is less than a pound and all of the other parts barely weigh 9 lbs. much of
      >> it in the front of the airplane.
      >>
      >> This picture has been on my website since October of 2006 as you can see
      >> from the file name. Seriously guys - this list has come to a bunch of guys
      >> throwing around numbers and opinions based on NOTHING but speculation and
      >> blah blah blah. Get out there and work on your airplane or go fly it, then
      >> come back and report something or ask a valid question. All this bad info
      >> on this list needs to stop. Some of you guys seem to have to reply to every
      >> post even if you have NO IDEA what you are talking about! Can we use a
      >> little restraint here until we have something factual or useful to post?
      >>
      >> Sorry for the rant, but I don't see any more posts from the guys that know
      >> because they have been chased away by a bunch of Yahoos with nothing better
      >> to do but spread bad info. Most of those guys are too nice to say anything
      >> and just fade away for good reason. I just see the wrong kind of
      >> speculation and just plane bad information here anymore.
      >>
      >> Have a good evening,
      >>
      >> Scott Laughlin
      >> 601XL/Corvair
      >> Omaha
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Read this topic online here:
      >>
      >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241842#241842
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      
      
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      On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 09:05:10PM -0700, cookwithgas wrote:
      > This picture has been on my website since October of 2006 as you can see
      > from the file name.  Seriously guys - this list has come to a bunch of
      > guys throwing around numbers and opinions based on NOTHING but speculation
      > and blah blah blah.
      
      The 40 pound difference I've been citing was a number I got straight from
      AMD. *I* am not the one who said the weight was all in the back, either. If
      I'm speculating, I'll say so. I wasn't. I was going on what I believed to be
      reliable information.
      
      The way to counter bad information is to post reliable information, not to
      simply flame people for saying what they believe to be true.
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      I don't know if they have exactly what you need but I came across a bunch of bushings
      at Wicks.
      
      --------
      W.R. "Gig" Giacona
      601XL Under Construction
      See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241888#241888
      
      
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| Subject:  | moderator needed? | 
      
      
      Definitley no moderator needed here. Cowboy up. Name calling isn't all that hurtfull.
      Just use the delete key.
      
      Ed
      
      
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      Here's where I go the weight. http://brsparachutes.com/files/Documents/Sales%20Retail%20Price%20List%20July%2015%202008.pdf
      
      The 3 models that match the 601's weight are between 29 and 34 pounds according
      to this. Add to that the weight of the fittings and 40 lbs sounds about right.
      
      Which model do you have Scott?
      
      
      cookwithgas wrote:
      > Common you guys!  You are killing me with all this BAD INFORMATION! 
      
      
      --------
      W.R. "Gig" Giacona
      601XL Under Construction
      See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241894#241894
      
      
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      All points of view that I have read regarding  the BRS systems are valid to some
      extent. I considered it seriously (although I discuss flipantly at times) and
      decided against it. It is a personal choice and there is no wrong answer until
      the circumstances are listed. At that point either answer could be wrong for
      a given flight. But none of us will know that until the flight is over, will
      we?
      
      Ed
      
      
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      I ran out of bushing material when I was building my HD and Zenith sent 
      me more.  I have some left over (somewhere).  You're welcome to it if 
      you want it.
      
      Bill
      N109BS
      
      
      Carlos Sa wrote:
      > The 601HD(S) plans call for bushings in the aileron bell crank 
      > installation and on the rudder bearings (at least, these are the ones 
      > I can remember). Very similar (if not exactly the same) to this XL 
      > drawing http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/sample-6w10.pdf
      >
      > Question for scratch builders: what did you use as a bushing? I looked 
      > at tubes in the AS&S catalog, but did not find a (exact) match...
      >
      
      
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      Spruce's  p/n is 03-00250 for the 4130 steel tubing,cut to  length. 1/4" 
      O.D. with .028 wall.  Jerry of GA
      
      
      In a message dated 4/28/2009 10:03:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
      carlossa52@gmail.com writes:
      
      The  601HD(S) plans call for bushings in the aileron bell crank 
      installation and on  the rudder bearings (at least, these are the ones I can remember).
      
      Very  similar (if not exactly the same) to this XL drawing 
      _http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/sample-6w10.pdf_ 
      (http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/sample-6w10.pdf) 
      
      Question  for scratch builders: what did you use as a bushing? I looked at 
      tubes in the  AS&S catalog, but did not find a (exact) match...
      
      
      I'd  appreciate your input
      
      Thanks
      
      
      Carlos
      CH601-HD, plans
      
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      (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Whatever happened to Subies | 
      
      
      The Subaru's are still around, I have about 90 hours on mine with no 
      engine problems. The downside on any water cooled engine is the design 
      of the cooling system. That is where Eggenfeller has an advantage with a 
      complete firewall forward package. With that said I did not by an 
      Eggenfeller, too expensive, I have a Stratus and have no complains about 
      the engine. I did spend the better part of a year designing my cooling 
      system, but that's why I plans built an airplane.
      
      Tim Shankland
      
      Dave wrote:
      
      >
      > With all the madness about Corvair engines these days it seems the 
      > Subaru engine has left the field. Is this just a passing fad, or did 
      > the Subie have some less than desirable quality that the Corvair 
      > engine lacks? Perhaps it's down to a talented promoter.
      >
      > Is nobody selecting the Subaru any longer?
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Still Have 601 HD/XL Tail Parts for Sale | 
      
      Hello Andy ,I need the fiberglass tail tips for the Horz. stab. Contact 
      me at wjones@brazoriainet.com .
      Wade  Jones  South East Texas
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Andrew Hinsdale 
        To: Zenith List 
        Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:01 PM
        Subject: Zenith-List: Still Have 601 HD/XL Tail Parts for Sale
      
      
        Hello Listers!
      
        Thanks to the great response to my first email on parting out my 601 
      HD/XL tail kit!  I have already sold the rivets, rivet puller, trim 
      servo, and plans.  I still have a bunch of genuine Zenithair parts for 
      sale - fiberglass tail tips (why make them, I'll sell cheap!) complete 
      rib sets, upgraded pre-drilled XL vertical tail (rudder control) horn, 
      front and rear spars - doublers, XL elevator horn parts - just ask me to 
      send you a price list and then make me an offer!
      
        Thanks Again
      
        Andy Hinsdale
        Tucson AZ
      
      
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      Hi Carlos;
                  Zenith  has that tube, they will sell you a short length. 
      
      John  Read
      CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Whatever happened to Subies | 
      
      
      I just got back from SnF, where I saw Jerry Perryman's RV-9A that flew in from
      Conroe, TX. It has an EJ25 Subie that Bud Warren (geareddrives.com) modified with
      a rear mounted, 3 pass radiator and a new gearbox. Originally an Egg engine,
      Warren and Perryman flew in it to OSH last year and Bud was concerned about
      the high temps and gearbox noise, so he thought he could it do it better.
      
      According to Perryman, his temps are now down 60F to 160, and he's tickled pink.
      Warren used off the shelf gear sets and other automotive components for the
      PSRU, which has the added advantage of easy gear ratio changes at about $200 per
      set. It also has its own enclosed lube system, using hypoid gear oil.
      
      The PSRU prototype is as ugly as sin right now, since Warren started with a spare
      rectangular hunk of aluminum billet for the gear case, but it appears to be
      working. The radiator is prettier, though, but it's mostly hidden.
      
      I took some photos if anyone's interested.
      
      Rick Lindstrom
      Zenvair N42KP
      
      -----Original Message-----
      >From: Tim Shankland <tshankland@sbcglobal.net>
      >Sent: Apr 29, 2009 9:41 AM
      >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies
      >
      >
      >The Subaru's are still around, I have about 90 hours on mine with no 
      >engine problems. The downside on any water cooled engine is the design 
      >of the cooling system. That is where Eggenfeller has an advantage with a 
      >complete firewall forward package. With that said I did not by an 
      >Eggenfeller, too expensive, I have a Stratus and have no complains about 
      >the engine. I did spend the better part of a year designing my cooling 
      >system, but that's why I plans built an airplane.
      >
      >Tim Shankland
      >
      >Dave wrote:
      >
      >>
      >> With all the madness about Corvair engines these days it seems the 
      >> Subaru engine has left the field. Is this just a passing fad, or did 
      >> the Subie have some less than desirable quality that the Corvair 
      >> engine lacks? Perhaps it's down to a talented promoter.
      >>
      >> Is nobody selecting the Subaru any longer?
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      
      
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      Yes I still watch the crap going on here but do my best not to get involved.
      My BRS added 21 pounds to the baggage area at 1600mm.
      The problem is that 1600mm is not what you will have.  The chute sits on the 
      1850mm mark.
      I dont have a CG problem until fuel goes down tp about 9 gallons.  Then the 
      CG goes out to 465.  Again in Europe the CG envelope goes from 300 to 520 
      mm.
       A letter from CH on approving the 520mm is available but here in the USA 
      Zenith still wants 450.
      I did move the battery forward 11 inches ahead of the firewall and my 601XL 
      flys nose heavy in test flights (so far).
      The overall weight of the BRS is 29 pounds which includes all hardware.
      If I knew before about the BRS in Europe, where they install the chute in 
      front of the instrument panel I would have gone with that instead of the 
      baggage area.  The forward BRS is a 1050 pound rated unit.  Mine is the 
      1350.
      In front, the balance would have been easier but not much room for 
      instruments.
      SW
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:10 PM
      Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: BSR Chute
      
      
      >
      > Ask Steve Weston about the W&B numbers for his Jabiru 3300-powered XL with 
      > a
      > BRS. Those are real numbers (I helped calculate them). One difference
      > between Steve and Scott's plane is that Scott's has a Corvair hung on the
      > front which helps counteract the weight of the BRS. Steve added a bracket 
      > to
      > move his battery farther forward from the firewall. I don't know if Steve 
      > is
      > still on this list but he is on the Zenith builders site.
      >
      > -- Craig
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stanley
      > Challgren
      > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:48 PM
      > To: zenith-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: BSR Chute
      >
      >
      > Scott:
      >
      > I had never really considered a chute until I saw your picture showing
      > it weighed 18.8 pounds.  BRS's July 2008 price list shows a 1350
      > having BRS system weights from 29 to 34 pounds.  Do you have the
      > softpact?
      >
      > Stan
      > 701/3300
      >
      >
      > On Apr 28, 2009, at 22:05 , cookwithgas wrote:
      >
      >> >
      >>
      >> Common you guys!  You are killing me with all this BAD INFORMATION!
      >> You guys throw numbers around like you are experts and you don't
      >> have a clue!  I don't intend to offend anyone personally but some of
      >> you guys need a reality check.  Here's a picture of my BRS pack on a
      >> scale:
      >>
      >> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/10_28_06_BRS_Weight.JPG
      >>
      >> 18.8 lbs.  Clearly not 40 lbs in the back of the airplane!  The gold
      >> thing is less than a pound and all of the other parts barely weigh 9
      >> lbs. much of it in the front of the airplane.
      >>
      >> This picture has been on my website since October of 2006 as you can
      >> see from the file name.  Seriously guys - this list has come to a
      >> bunch of guys throwing around numbers and opinions based on NOTHING
      >> but speculation and blah blah blah.  Get out there and work on your
      >> airplane or go fly it, then come back and report something or ask a
      >> valid question.  All this bad info on this list needs to stop.  Some
      >> of you guys seem to have to reply to every post even if you have NO
      >> IDEA what you are talking about!  Can we use a little restraint here
      >> until we have something factual or useful to post?
      >>
      >> Sorry for the rant, but I don't see any more posts from the guys
      >> that know because they have been chased away by a bunch of Yahoos
      >> with nothing better to do but spread bad info.  Most of those guys
      >> are too nice to say anything and just fade away for good reason.  I
      >> just see the wrong kind of speculation and just plane bad
      >> information here anymore.
      >>
      >> Have a good evening,
      >>
      >> Scott Laughlin
      >> 601XL/Corvair
      >> Omaha
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Read this topic online here:
      >>
      >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241842#241842
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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      $4300.00
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@gmail.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:43 AM
      Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: BSR Chute
      
      
      >
      > Also, just out of curiosity, how much did it cost to install the BRS 
      > chute?
      >
      > Cheers,
      >
      > - Trevor
      >
      >
      > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com> 
      > wrote:
      >>
      >> Scott:
      >>
      >> I had never really considered a chute until I saw your picture showing it
      >> weighed 18.8 pounds. BRS's July 2008 price list shows a 1350 having BRS
      >> system weights from 29 to 34 pounds. Do you have the softpact?
      >>
      >> Stan
      >> 701/3300
      >>
      >>
      >> On Apr 28, 2009, at 22:05 , cookwithgas wrote:
      >>
      >>> <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
      >>>
      >>> Common you guys! You are killing me with all this BAD INFORMATION! You
      >>> guys throw numbers around like you are experts and you don't have a 
      >>> clue! I
      >>> don't intend to offend anyone personally but some of you guys need a 
      >>> reality
      >>> check. Here's a picture of my BRS pack on a scale:
      >>>
      >>> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/10_28_06_BRS_Weight.JPG
      >>>
      >>> 18.8 lbs. Clearly not 40 lbs in the back of the airplane! The gold thing
      >>> is less than a pound and all of the other parts barely weigh 9 lbs. much 
      >>> of
      >>> it in the front of the airplane.
      >>>
      >>> This picture has been on my website since October of 2006 as you can see
      >>> from the file name. Seriously guys - this list has come to a bunch of 
      >>> guys
      >>> throwing around numbers and opinions based on NOTHING but speculation 
      >>> and
      >>> blah blah blah. Get out there and work on your airplane or go fly it, 
      >>> then
      >>> come back and report something or ask a valid question. All this bad 
      >>> info
      >>> on this list needs to stop. Some of you guys seem to have to reply to 
      >>> every
      >>> post even if you have NO IDEA what you are talking about! Can we use a
      >>> little restraint here until we have something factual or useful to post?
      >>>
      >>> Sorry for the rant, but I don't see any more posts from the guys that 
      >>> know
      >>> because they have been chased away by a bunch of Yahoos with nothing 
      >>> better
      >>> to do but spread bad info. Most of those guys are too nice to say 
      >>> anything
      >>> and just fade away for good reason. I just see the wrong kind of
      >>> speculation and just plane bad information here anymore.
      >>>
      >>> Have a good evening,
      >>>
      >>> Scott Laughlin
      >>> 601XL/Corvair
      >>> Omaha
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> Read this topic online here:
      >>>
      >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241842#241842
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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      That is a design goal of BRS.- If they made the landing slower, to save t
      he (already damaged airplane),- there is a big chance of wind drifting or
       even-rasing in thermals that-could-make-the landing more dangerous
      .-- Imagine a damage airplane being drifted-though-the-edge of a 
      canyon...- I am not shure about the exact number (read it several years a
      go), but is around 700 fpm.-(need to check it) -Some damage can be spec
      ted to the airplane and or passenger(s), but will save their lives.
      -
      Saludos
      Gary Gower.-
      
      --- On Tue, 4/28/09, JohnDRead@aol.com <JohnDRead@aol.com> wrote:
      
      From: JohnDRead@aol.com <JohnDRead@aol.com>
      Subject: Re: Zenith-List: BSR Chute
      
      
      The primary purpose of BRS chutes is to save the passengers, the airframe i
      s secondary. do not archive.
      -
      John Read
      CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
      
      Phone: 303-648-3261
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      Cell: 719-494-4567 
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      rs in Just 2 Easy Steps! 
      
      
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      Gig Giacona wrote:
      > http://brsparachutes.com/files/Documents/Sales%20Retail%20Price%20List%20July%2015%202008.pdf
      > Which model do you have Scott?
      > 
      
      
      Gig:
      
      I purchased and installed the 1350 Softpack.  At the time it was $4,000.  "System
      Weight" = 29 lbs = total weight including brackets & straps.
      
      You and I have been at this airplane-building a long time, huh?  Let's meet at
      a fly-in somewhere soon to celebrate two finished projects.  
      
      Scott Laughlin
      601XL/Corvair
      Omaha / Dallas
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241962#241962
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Whatever happened to Subies | 
      
      Yup... lets see some photos...
      
      
      do not archive
      
      
      Ben Haas
      N801BH
      www.haaspowerair.com
      
      ---------- Original Message ----------
      From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
      Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies
      
      com>
      
      I just got back from SnF, where I saw Jerry Perryman's RV-9A that flew i
      n from Conroe, TX. It has an EJ25 Subie that Bud Warren (geareddrives.co
      m) modified with a rear mounted, 3 pass radiator and a new gearbox. Orig
      inally an Egg engine, Warren and Perryman flew in it to OSH last year an
      d Bud was concerned about the high temps and gearbox noise, so he though
      t he could it do it better.
      
      According to Perryman, his temps are now down 60F to 160, and he's tickl
      ed pink. Warren used off the shelf gear sets and other automotive compon
      ents for the PSRU, which has the added advantage of easy gear ratio chan
      ges at about $200 per set. It also has its own enclosed lube system, usi
      ng hypoid gear oil.
      
      The PSRU prototype is as ugly as sin right now, since Warren started wit
      h a spare rectangular hunk of aluminum billet for the gear case, but it 
      appears to be working. The radiator is prettier, though, but it's mostly
       hidden.
      
      I took some photos if anyone's interested.
      
      Rick Lindstrom
      Zenvair N42KP
      
      -----Original Message-----
      >From: Tim Shankland <tshankland@sbcglobal.net>
      >Sent: Apr 29, 2009 9:41 AM
      >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies
      >
      net>
      >
      >The Subaru's are still around, I have about 90 hours on mine with no 
      
      >engine problems. The downside on any water cooled engine is the design 
      
      
      >of the cooling system. That is where Eggenfeller has an advantage with 
      a 
      
      >complete firewall forward package. With that said I did not by an 
      
      >Eggenfeller, too expensive, I have a Stratus and have no complains abou
      t 
      
      >the engine. I did spend the better part of a year designing my cooling 
      
      
      >system, but that's why I plans built an airplane.
      >
      >Tim Shankland
      >
      >Dave wrote:
      >
      
      >>
      >> With all the madness about Corvair engines these days it seems the 
      
      >> Subaru engine has left the field. Is this just a passing fad, or did 
      
      
      >> the Subie have some less than desirable quality that the Corvair 
      
      >> engine lacks? Perhaps it's down to a talented promoter.
      >>
      >> Is nobody selecting the Subaru any longer?
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      
      
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      All-
          I came up short 2 (Better make that 4 to cover screw-ups) 22-24AWG 
      female .093 Molex crimp connectors (Their # 02-09-1138). It'll cost me 
      at least $10 plus shipping to order them.
          On the other hand, I have tons of extra other types of connectors 
      that I'd be willing to swap, if anyone has the Molex. We could both get 
      out for the price of a stamp. Let me know if anyone has what I need and 
      what you need.
          Thanks.
      Bill Naumuk
      Townville, Pa.
      HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
      
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      Thanks all that replied on and off list.
      
      http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/me/steel_4130tubing.html
      03-002504130 STEEL TUBE 1/4" X .028
      
      
      Nice to see the list slowly coming back to normal.
      
      
      Happy building, people
      
      
      Carlos
      CH601-HD, plans
      centre wing in progress, at the usual snail pace.
      
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| Subject:  | XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! | 
      
      I bought a kit from Zenair back in 1993, which I have now completed and
      flown 160 hrs in.
      
      
      On my plans, there was no mention of any specification for cable
      tensions, when a fellow
      
      XL builder from New Zealand experienced flutter during initial flight
      testing this is the response 
      
      from Zenair.
      
      
      http://www.zenair.org/nuke/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1
      7
      
      
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| Subject:  | RE: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! | 
      
      correction 2003 not 1993 for the XL kit purchase date
      
 
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