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1. 12:14 AM - Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! (jetboy)
2. 05:48 AM - Great news for all! (Edward Moody II)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: Great news for all! (jaybannist@cs.com)
4. 06:17 AM - Re: Great news for all! (Paul Mulwitz)
5. 07:08 AM - Re: Great news for all! (Rick Lindstrom)
6. 07:17 AM - Re: Whatever happened to Subies (Rick Lindstrom)
7. 07:24 AM - Great news !! (Beckman, Rick)
8. 07:25 AM - Re: Great news for all! (JohnDRead@aol.com)
9. 07:26 AM - Re: Great news for all! (T. Graziano)
10. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! (JohnDRead@aol.com)
11. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! (Jon Croke)
12. 08:43 AM - Re: Great news for all! (Terry Phillips)
13. 09:47 AM - Re: Great news for all! (Bill Naumuk)
14. 10:04 AM - Re: Great news for all! (Larry Winger)
15. 01:52 PM - Re: Whatever happened to Subies (n801bh@netzero.com)
16. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Blah, blah, blah ()
17. 06:45 PM - Re: Great news for all! (lwhitlow)
18. 07:26 PM - Re: Great news for all! (Ron Lendon)
19. 09:35 PM - A blast from the past....1 (Randy L. Thwing)
20. 09:41 PM - A blast from the past....2 (Randy L. Thwing)
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| Subject: | Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! |
Thats interesting I have been asking for the tensions and setup method that is
NOT in the plans for my 2003 CH701 kit.
Its not that I have any concerns as I've been around certified aircraft for some
time. My aircraft was a pre-rigged CZAW kit and the NZ CAA inspector commented
the rudder cables appeared too tight, however I was happy with them and left
them under observation, to settle in.
The area that prompted my enquiries was the state of the elevator system, which
cannot be rigged for even cable tension in all quadrants of stick travel. There
is an offset in the geometry of the control system which tightens the elevator
if the stick is moved right. If one were to rig to 20 lbs the stick neutral
position would be hard over to the left.
Maybe there is some info in Zenair News for the 701? No information from ZAC or
Canzac was forthcoming. I have no problems (that I know about) but dont expect
to be the last person told that I have been operating the aircraft incorrectly.
Ralph
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Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
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| Subject: | Great news for all! |
Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The inspector
was thorough but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose! Flight
testing will begin as soon as Wx and circumstances permit.
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for all! |
Ed,
That IS good news!? Congratulations !!
Jay Bannister
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Moody II <dredmoody@cox.net>
Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 7:46 am
Subject: Zenith-List: Great news for all!
Good news! My inspection went
quickly and smoothly today. The inspector was thorough but completely
reasonable. The Goose is loose! Flight testing will begin as soon as Wx and
circumstances permit.
?
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for all! |
Congratulations, Ed.
Please don't fly directly over my head. You know what gooses do with
their food when they are done with it . . .
Paul
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At 05:46 AM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
>The Goose is loose!
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for all! |
Congrats, Ed!!
That's one beautiful airplane you got there. Try not to scratch in during Phase
1, OK?
Rick Lindstrom
-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Moody II <dredmoody@cox.net>
>Sent: Apr 30, 2009 5:46 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Great news for all!
>
>Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The inspector was thorough
but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose! Flight testing will begin
as soon as Wx and circumstances permit.
>
>Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Whatever happened to Subies |
OK, here's a few.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
>Sent: Apr 29, 2009 2:06 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies
>
>Yup... lets see some photos...
>
>do not archive
>
>
>Ben Haas
>N801BH
>www.haaspowerair.com
>
>---------- Original Message ----------
>From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies
>Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:15:13 -0400 (EDT)
>
>
>I just got back from SnF, where I saw Jerry Perryman's RV-9A that flew in from
Conroe, TX. It has an EJ25 Subie that Bud Warren (geareddrives.com) modified
with a rear mounted, 3 pass radiator and a new gearbox. Originally an Egg engine,
Warren and Perryman flew in it to OSH last year and Bud was concerned about
the high temps and gearbox noise, so he thought he could it do it better.
>
>According to Perryman, his temps are now down 60F to 160, and he's tickled pink.
Warren used off the shelf gear sets and other automotive components for the
PSRU, which has the added advantage of easy gear ratio changes at about $200
per set. It also has its own enclosed lube system, using hypoid gear oil.
>
>The PSRU prototype is as ugly as sin right now, since Warren started with a spare
rectangular hunk of aluminum billet for the gear case, but it appears to be
working. The radiator is prettier, though, but it's mostly hidden.
>
>I took some photos if anyone's interested.
>
>Rick Lindstrom
>Zenvair N42KP
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Tim Shankland <tshankland@sbcglobal.net>
>>Sent: Apr 29, 2009 9:41 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies
>>
>>
>>The Subaru's are still around, I have about 90 hours on mine with no
>>engine problems. The downside on any water cooled engine is the design
>>of the cooling system. That is where Eggenfeller has an advantage with a
>>complete firewall forward package. With that said I did not by an
>>Eggenfeller, too expensive, I have a Stratus and have no complains about
>>the engine. I did spend the better part of a year designing my cooling
>>system, but that's why I plans built an airplane.
>>
>>Tim Shankland
>>
>>Dave wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> With all the madness about Corvair engines these days it seems the
>>> Subaru engine has left the field. Is this just a passing fad, or did
>>> the Subie have some less than desirable quality that the Corvair
>>> engine lacks? Perhaps it's down to a talented promoter.
>>>
>>> Is nobody selecting the Subaru any longer?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Ed, this is indeed GREAT NEWS!! Congratulations!! Good
lookin' Bird!
Fly safely!
Rick Beckman
Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The inspector
was thorough but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose! Flight
testing will begin as soon as Wx and circumstances permit.
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for all! |
Congratulations Dr. Ed.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 4/30/2009 6:53:20 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
dredmoody@cox.net writes:
Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The inspector
was thorough but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose! Flight testing
will begin as soon as Wx and circumstances permit.
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for all! |
Great, Ed!
You will enjoy flying the XL.
Tony Graziano
XL/Jab 487 hrs
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----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Moody II
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:46 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Great news for all!
Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The
inspector was thorough but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose!
Flight testing will begin as soon as Wx and circumstances permit.
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! |
Hi Ralph;
I had the same question. I spoke to Caleb at the factory.
Below is his reply. As you can see he does mention the asymmetry in the
elevator system.
Hi John,
I'm not sure where it is located off the top of my head. The rudder cable
tension should be 30lbs +/- 5. The elevator should be 20 lbs +/- 5. You
will have to play with the elevator tension because if you have too much it
will want to pull the stick to one side but you don't want it too loose
either.
Caleb Gebhardt
Zenith Aircraft Co.
(573) 581-9000
_caleb@zenithair.com_ (mailto:caleb@zenithair.com)
Technical Support Disclaimer: While we strive to ensure that the
advice/information provided through our support is correct, Zenith Aircraft Company
does not accept any responsibility for errors or omissions. Any advise or
information that Zenith Aircraft Company gives you via any form of
communication is not a guarantee that it will correct your problem. It is only
offered as assistance to you. Zenith Aircraft Company will not be held
responsible for any loss or damage as a result of our advise or information
supplied.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 4/30/2009 1:14:51 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
sanson.r@xtra.co.nz writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jetboy" <sanson.r@xtra.co.nz>
Thats interesting I have been asking for the tensions and setup method
that is NOT in the plans for my 2003 CH701 kit.
Its not that I have any concerns as I've been around certified aircraft
for some time. My aircraft was a pre-rigged CZAW kit and the NZ CAA inspector
commented the rudder cables appeared too tight, however I was happy with
them and left them under observation, to settle in.
The area that prompted my enquiries was the state of the elevator system,
which cannot be rigged for even cable tension in all quadrants of stick
travel. There is an offset in the geometry of the control system which
tightens the elevator if the stick is moved right. If one were to rig to 20 lbs
the stick neutral position would be hard over to the left.
Maybe there is some info in Zenair News for the 701? No information from
ZAC or Canzac was forthcoming. I have no problems (that I know about) but
dont expect to be the last person told that I have been operating the
aircraft incorrectly.
Ralph
--------
Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242032#242032
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| Subject: | Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! |
Ralph,
Attached is a recent .pdf memo from Zenith regarding the 701 elevator cables
and the required geometry needed to insure consistent tension in all areas
of travel. This article was in a recent Zenair Newsletter - a good source
of many tips and techniques, but I am biased about that opinion!
Jon
701
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetboy" <sanson.r@xtra.co.nz>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:13 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans!
>
> The area that prompted my enquiries was the state of the elevator system,
> which cannot be rigged for even cable tension in all quadrants of stick
> travel. There is an offset in the geometry of the control system which
> tightens the elevator if the stick is moved right. If one were to rig to
> 20 lbs the stick neutral position would be hard over to the left.
>
> Maybe there is some info in Zenair News for the 701? No information from
> ZAC or Canzac was forthcoming. I have no problems (that I know about) but
> dont expect to be the last person told that I have been operating the
> aircraft incorrectly.
>
> Ralph
>
> --------
> Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for all! |
Congratulations, Ed
Beautiful airplane. Good luck with Phase I.
Terry
At 07:46 AM 4/30/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The inspector
>was thorough but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose! Flight testing
>will begin as soon as Wx and circumstances permit.
>
>Ed
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; waiting on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for all! |
Dred-
Two thumbs up!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Moody II
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Great news for all!
Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The
inspector was thorough but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose!
Flight testing will begin as soon as Wx and circumstances permit.
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for all! |
A new chapter begins! Congratulations.
Larry Winger
650/Corvair
Fuselage riveted
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| Subject: | Re: Whatever happened to Subies |
Thank you sir.....
do not archive.
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies
OK, here's a few.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
>Sent: Apr 29, 2009 2:06 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies
>
>Yup... lets see some photos...
>
>do not archive
>
>
>Ben Haas
>N801BH
>www.haaspowerair.com
>
>---------- Original Message ----------
>From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies
>Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:15:13 -0400 (EDT)
>
.com>
>
>I just got back from SnF, where I saw Jerry Perryman's RV-9A that flew
in from Conroe, TX. It has an EJ25 Subie that Bud Warren (geareddrives.c
om) modified with a rear mounted, 3 pass radiator and a new gearbox. Ori
ginally an Egg engine, Warren and Perryman flew in it to OSH last year a
nd Bud was concerned about the high temps and gearbox noise, so he thoug
ht he could it do it better.
>
>According to Perryman, his temps are now down 60F to 160, and he's tick
led pink. Warren used off the shelf gear sets and other automotive compo
nents for the PSRU, which has the added advantage of easy gear ratio cha
nges at about $200 per set. It also has its own enclosed lube system, us
ing hypoid gear oil.
>
>The PSRU prototype is as ugly as sin right now, since Warren started wi
th a spare rectangular hunk of aluminum billet for the gear case, but it
appears to be working. The radiator is prettier, though, but it's mostl
y hidden.
>
>I took some photos if anyone's interested.
>
>Rick Lindstrom
>Zenvair N42KP
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Tim Shankland <tshankland@sbcglobal.net>
>>Sent: Apr 29, 2009 9:41 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies
>>
.net>
>>
>>The Subaru's are still around, I have about 90 hours on mine with no
>>engine problems. The downside on any water cooled engine is the design
>>of the cooling system. That is where Eggenfeller has an advantage with
a
>>complete firewall forward package. With that said I did not by an
>>Eggenfeller, too expensive, I have a Stratus and have no complains abo
ut
>>the engine. I did spend the better part of a year designing my cooling
>>system, but that's why I plans built an airplane.
>>
>>Tim Shankland
>>
>>Dave wrote:
>>
>
>>>
>>> With all the madness about Corvair engines these days it seems the
>>> Subaru engine has left the field. Is this just a passing fad, or did
>>> the Subie have some less than desirable quality that the Corvair
>>> engine lacks? Perhaps it's down to a talented promoter.
>>>
>>> Is nobody selecting the Subaru any longer?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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faz5KEjgAPxLaIMuvRMtoLRIkyzQ2Z7Mz3y/
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| Subject: | Re: re: Blah, blah, blah |
You just had to start that, didn't you? OK, I'll play..... ALL colors
of Scotchbrite are safe for aluminum. Someone here on the list a couple
of years ago quoted a 3M repesentative as saying that they all use the
same abrasive (aluminum oxide) and the colors differentiate the various
agressiveness of the sheet. OK, everybody, FLAAAAAAAME OOONNNN!!!!
Paul Rodriguez
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing<mailto:n4546v@mindspring.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: re: Blah, blah, blah
<n4546v@mindspring.com<mailto:n4546v@mindspring.com>>
Do not archive
You know, one reason there is no discussion about building aircraft is
that
no one is asking any questions about building aircraft.
If someone asked a question about building issues, one might get
responses
to building issues, which equals discussion.
I'll be the bigger man and start things off:
What color Scotchbrite is safe for 6061 aluminum?
Best Regards to All,
Randy, Las Vegas
<d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca<mailto:d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>>
>
> When the concern about the 601 is addressed (either way), the
discussion
> around it will subside, so long as the incidents stop occurring. If
you
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for all! |
Congratulations Ed That's looks like a BEAUTIFUL JOB!!!!!
Fair Skies for your First Flight!!!
Larry Whitlow
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for all! |
That's the kind of news I needed to hear to get me back to building. Congratulations
Ed.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Corvair Engine Prints:
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| Subject: | A blast from the past....1 |
Do not archive
Thanks PaulRod for rising to the bait, and thanks for the info.
Flying and this list are supposed to be fun, so have some fun!
During a past discussion about Scotchbrite colors, a Lister mentioned
that if Sasquatch was ever found or sighted, he would probably be
carrying a green Scotchbrite pad.
I had the attached clip so I sent it to the list. Stay tuned!
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
From: paulrod36@msn.com
You just had to start that, didn't you? OK, I'll play..... ALL colors
of Scotchbrite are safe for aluminum.
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| Subject: | A blast from the past....2 |
Do not archive
Flying and this list are supposed to be fun............
"If Sasquatch is ever found, he will probably be carrying green
Scotchbrite".
So another lister responded with something like this:
"We ran the clip through the crime lab, enhanced it and found the
following, see attached."
I'm sorry I don't have the names of those involved, but is this list a
great resource of creative people or what?
Have some fun,
Randy, Las Vegas
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