---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/30/09: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:14 AM - Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! (jetboy) 2. 05:48 AM - Great news for all! (Edward Moody II) 3. 06:10 AM - Re: Great news for all! (jaybannist@cs.com) 4. 06:17 AM - Re: Great news for all! (Paul Mulwitz) 5. 07:08 AM - Re: Great news for all! (Rick Lindstrom) 6. 07:17 AM - Re: Whatever happened to Subies (Rick Lindstrom) 7. 07:24 AM - Great news !! (Beckman, Rick) 8. 07:25 AM - Re: Great news for all! (JohnDRead@aol.com) 9. 07:26 AM - Re: Great news for all! (T. Graziano) 10. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! (JohnDRead@aol.com) 11. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! (Jon Croke) 12. 08:43 AM - Re: Great news for all! (Terry Phillips) 13. 09:47 AM - Re: Great news for all! (Bill Naumuk) 14. 10:04 AM - Re: Great news for all! (Larry Winger) 15. 01:52 PM - Re: Whatever happened to Subies (n801bh@netzero.com) 16. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Blah, blah, blah () 17. 06:45 PM - Re: Great news for all! (lwhitlow) 18. 07:26 PM - Re: Great news for all! (Ron Lendon) 19. 09:35 PM - A blast from the past....1 (Randy L. Thwing) 20. 09:41 PM - A blast from the past....2 (Randy L. Thwing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:26 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! From: "jetboy" Thats interesting I have been asking for the tensions and setup method that is NOT in the plans for my 2003 CH701 kit. Its not that I have any concerns as I've been around certified aircraft for some time. My aircraft was a pre-rigged CZAW kit and the NZ CAA inspector commented the rudder cables appeared too tight, however I was happy with them and left them under observation, to settle in. The area that prompted my enquiries was the state of the elevator system, which cannot be rigged for even cable tension in all quadrants of stick travel. There is an offset in the geometry of the control system which tightens the elevator if the stick is moved right. If one were to rig to 20 lbs the stick neutral position would be hard over to the left. Maybe there is some info in Zenair News for the 701? No information from ZAC or Canzac was forthcoming. I have no problems (that I know about) but dont expect to be the last person told that I have been operating the aircraft incorrectly. Ralph -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242032#242032 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:55 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Zenith-List: Great news for all! Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The inspector was thorough but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose! Flight testing will begin as soon as Wx and circumstances permit. Ed ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great news for all! From: jaybannist@cs.com Ed, That IS good news!? Congratulations !! Jay Bannister Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Edward Moody II Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 7:46 am Subject: Zenith-List: Great news for all! Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The inspector was thorough but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose! Flight testing will begin as soon as Wx and circumstances permit. ? Ed [Image Removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:33 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great news for all! Congratulations, Ed. Please don't fly directly over my head. You know what gooses do with their food when they are done with it . . . Paul do not archive At 05:46 AM 4/30/2009, you wrote: >The Goose is loose! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:37 AM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great news for all! Congrats, Ed!! That's one beautiful airplane you got there. Try not to scratch in during Phase 1, OK? Rick Lindstrom -----Original Message----- >From: Edward Moody II >Sent: Apr 30, 2009 5:46 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Great news for all! > >Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The inspector was thorough but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose! Flight testing will begin as soon as Wx and circumstances permit. > >Ed ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:57 AM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies OK, here's a few. Rick -----Original Message----- >From: "n801bh@netzero.com" >Sent: Apr 29, 2009 2:06 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies > >Yup... lets see some photos... > >do not archive > > >Ben Haas >N801BH >www.haaspowerair.com > >---------- Original Message ---------- >From: Rick Lindstrom >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies >Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:15:13 -0400 (EDT) > > >I just got back from SnF, where I saw Jerry Perryman's RV-9A that flew in from Conroe, TX. It has an EJ25 Subie that Bud Warren (geareddrives.com) modified with a rear mounted, 3 pass radiator and a new gearbox. Originally an Egg engine, Warren and Perryman flew in it to OSH last year and Bud was concerned about the high temps and gearbox noise, so he thought he could it do it better. > >According to Perryman, his temps are now down 60F to 160, and he's tickled pink. Warren used off the shelf gear sets and other automotive components for the PSRU, which has the added advantage of easy gear ratio changes at about $200 per set. It also has its own enclosed lube system, using hypoid gear oil. > >The PSRU prototype is as ugly as sin right now, since Warren started with a spare rectangular hunk of aluminum billet for the gear case, but it appears to be working. The radiator is prettier, though, but it's mostly hidden. > >I took some photos if anyone's interested. > >Rick Lindstrom >Zenvair N42KP > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Tim Shankland >>Sent: Apr 29, 2009 9:41 AM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies >> >> >>The Subaru's are still around, I have about 90 hours on mine with no >>engine problems. The downside on any water cooled engine is the design >>of the cooling system. That is where Eggenfeller has an advantage with a >>complete firewall forward package. With that said I did not by an >>Eggenfeller, too expensive, I have a Stratus and have no complains about >>the engine. I did spend the better part of a year designing my cooling >>system, but that's why I plans built an airplane. >> >>Tim Shankland >> >>Dave wrote: >> >>> >>> With all the madness about Corvair engines these days it seems the >>> Subaru engine has left the field. Is this just a passing fad, or did >>> the Subie have some less than desirable quality that the Corvair >>> engine lacks? Perhaps it's down to a talented promoter. >>> >>> Is nobody selecting the Subaru any longer? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >=================================== >=================================== >=================================== >=================================== > >____________________________________________________________ >Click to get high quality postcards printed fast and easy. >http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYY5k5XRKgdACg3h9tmfaz5KEjgAPxLaIMuvRMtoLRIkyzQ2Z7Mz3y/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:44 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Great news !! From: "Beckman, Rick" Ed, this is indeed GREAT NEWS!! Congratulations!! Good lookin' Bird! Fly safely! Rick Beckman Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The inspector was thorough but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose! Flight testing will begin as soon as Wx and circumstances permit. Ed ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:22 AM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great news for all! Congratulations Dr. Ed. John Read CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 4/30/2009 6:53:20 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, dredmoody@cox.net writes: Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The inspector was thorough but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose! Flight testing will begin as soon as Wx and circumstances permit. Ed **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and click.net%2Fclk%3B214102108%3B35952091%3Bs) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:02 AM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great news for all! Great, Ed! You will enjoy flying the XL. Tony Graziano XL/Jab 487 hrs DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Moody II To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Great news for all! Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The inspector was thorough but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose! Flight testing will begin as soon as Wx and circumstances permit. Ed ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:44 AM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! Hi Ralph; I had the same question. I spoke to Caleb at the factory. Below is his reply. As you can see he does mention the asymmetry in the elevator system. Hi John, I'm not sure where it is located off the top of my head. The rudder cable tension should be 30lbs +/- 5. The elevator should be 20 lbs +/- 5. You will have to play with the elevator tension because if you have too much it will want to pull the stick to one side but you don't want it too loose either. Caleb Gebhardt Zenith Aircraft Co. (573) 581-9000 _caleb@zenithair.com_ (mailto:caleb@zenithair.com) Technical Support Disclaimer: While we strive to ensure that the advice/information provided through our support is correct, Zenith Aircraft Company does not accept any responsibility for errors or omissions. Any advise or information that Zenith Aircraft Company gives you via any form of communication is not a guarantee that it will correct your problem. It is only offered as assistance to you. Zenith Aircraft Company will not be held responsible for any loss or damage as a result of our advise or information supplied. John Read CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 4/30/2009 1:14:51 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, sanson.r@xtra.co.nz writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jetboy" Thats interesting I have been asking for the tensions and setup method that is NOT in the plans for my 2003 CH701 kit. Its not that I have any concerns as I've been around certified aircraft for some time. My aircraft was a pre-rigged CZAW kit and the NZ CAA inspector commented the rudder cables appeared too tight, however I was happy with them and left them under observation, to settle in. The area that prompted my enquiries was the state of the elevator system, which cannot be rigged for even cable tension in all quadrants of stick travel. There is an offset in the geometry of the control system which tightens the elevator if the stick is moved right. If one were to rig to 20 lbs the stick neutral position would be hard over to the left. Maybe there is some info in Zenair News for the 701? No information from ZAC or Canzac was forthcoming. I have no problems (that I know about) but dont expect to be the last person told that I have been operating the aircraft incorrectly. Ralph -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242032#242032 **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and click.net%2Fclk%3B214102108%3B35952091%3Bs) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:30 AM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! Ralph, Attached is a recent .pdf memo from Zenith regarding the 701 elevator cables and the required geometry needed to insure consistent tension in all areas of travel. This article was in a recent Zenair Newsletter - a good source of many tips and techniques, but I am biased about that opinion! Jon 701 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jetboy" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:13 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL Cable tension specs - not on my plans! > > The area that prompted my enquiries was the state of the elevator system, > which cannot be rigged for even cable tension in all quadrants of stick > travel. There is an offset in the geometry of the control system which > tightens the elevator if the stick is moved right. If one were to rig to > 20 lbs the stick neutral position would be hard over to the left. > > Maybe there is some info in Zenair News for the 701? No information from > ZAC or Canzac was forthcoming. I have no problems (that I know about) but > dont expect to be the last person told that I have been operating the > aircraft incorrectly. > > Ralph > > -------- > Ralph - CH701 / 2200a ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:47 AM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great news for all! Congratulations, Ed Beautiful airplane. Good luck with Phase I. Terry At 07:46 AM 4/30/2009 -0500, you wrote: >Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The inspector >was thorough but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose! Flight testing >will begin as soon as Wx and circumstances permit. > >Ed Terry Phillips ZBAGer ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are done; waiting on the wings http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:46 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great news for all! Dred- Two thumbs up! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Moody II To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Great news for all! Good news! My inspection went quickly and smoothly today. The inspector was thorough but completely reasonable. The Goose is loose! Flight testing will begin as soon as Wx and circumstances permit. Ed ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great news for all! From: Larry Winger A new chapter begins! Congratulations. Larry Winger 650/Corvair Fuselage riveted ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:05 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies Thank you sir..... do not archive. Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies OK, here's a few. Rick -----Original Message----- >From: "n801bh@netzero.com" >Sent: Apr 29, 2009 2:06 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies > >Yup... lets see some photos... > >do not archive > > >Ben Haas >N801BH >www.haaspowerair.com > >---------- Original Message ---------- >From: Rick Lindstrom >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies >Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:15:13 -0400 (EDT) > .com> > >I just got back from SnF, where I saw Jerry Perryman's RV-9A that flew in from Conroe, TX. It has an EJ25 Subie that Bud Warren (geareddrives.c om) modified with a rear mounted, 3 pass radiator and a new gearbox. Ori ginally an Egg engine, Warren and Perryman flew in it to OSH last year a nd Bud was concerned about the high temps and gearbox noise, so he thoug ht he could it do it better. > >According to Perryman, his temps are now down 60F to 160, and he's tick led pink. Warren used off the shelf gear sets and other automotive compo nents for the PSRU, which has the added advantage of easy gear ratio cha nges at about $200 per set. It also has its own enclosed lube system, us ing hypoid gear oil. > >The PSRU prototype is as ugly as sin right now, since Warren started wi th a spare rectangular hunk of aluminum billet for the gear case, but it appears to be working. The radiator is prettier, though, but it's mostl y hidden. > >I took some photos if anyone's interested. > >Rick Lindstrom >Zenvair N42KP > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Tim Shankland >>Sent: Apr 29, 2009 9:41 AM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Whatever happened to Subies >> .net> >> >>The Subaru's are still around, I have about 90 hours on mine with no >>engine problems. The downside on any water cooled engine is the design >>of the cooling system. That is where Eggenfeller has an advantage with a >>complete firewall forward package. With that said I did not by an >>Eggenfeller, too expensive, I have a Stratus and have no complains abo ut >>the engine. I did spend the better part of a year designing my cooling >>system, but that's why I plans built an airplane. >> >>Tim Shankland >> >>Dave wrote: >> > >>> >>> With all the madness about Corvair engines these days it seems the >>> Subaru engine has left the field. Is this just a passing fad, or did >>> the Subie have some less than desirable quality that the Corvair >>> engine lacks? Perhaps it's down to a talented promoter. >>> >>> Is nobody selecting the Subaru any longer? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >======================== =========== >======================== =========== >======================== =========== >======================== =========== > >____________________________________________________________ >Click to get high quality postcards printed fast and easy. >http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYY5k5XRKgdACg3h9tm faz5KEjgAPxLaIMuvRMtoLRIkyzQ2Z7Mz3y/ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:23 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: re: Blah, blah, blah You just had to start that, didn't you? OK, I'll play..... ALL colors of Scotchbrite are safe for aluminum. Someone here on the list a couple of years ago quoted a 3M repesentative as saying that they all use the same abrasive (aluminum oxide) and the colors differentiate the various agressiveness of the sheet. OK, everybody, FLAAAAAAAME OOONNNN!!!! Paul Rodriguez ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy L. Thwing To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: re: Blah, blah, blah > Do not archive You know, one reason there is no discussion about building aircraft is that no one is asking any questions about building aircraft. If someone asked a question about building issues, one might get responses to building issues, which equals discussion. I'll be the bigger man and start things off: What color Scotchbrite is safe for 6061 aluminum? Best Regards to All, Randy, Las Vegas > > > When the concern about the 601 is addressed (either way), the discussion > around it will subside, so long as the incidents stop occurring. If you http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Great news for all! From: "lwhitlow" Congratulations Ed That's looks like a BEAUTIFUL JOB!!!!! Fair Skies for your First Flight!!! Larry Whitlow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242216#242216 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:21 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Great news for all! From: "Ron Lendon" That's the kind of news I needed to hear to get me back to building. Congratulations Ed. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Corvair Engine Prints: http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242227#242227 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:17 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Zenith-List: A blast from the past....1 Do not archive Thanks PaulRod for rising to the bait, and thanks for the info. Flying and this list are supposed to be fun, so have some fun! During a past discussion about Scotchbrite colors, a Lister mentioned that if Sasquatch was ever found or sighted, he would probably be carrying a green Scotchbrite pad. I had the attached clip so I sent it to the list. Stay tuned! Regards, Randy, Las Vegas From: paulrod36@msn.com You just had to start that, didn't you? OK, I'll play..... ALL colors of Scotchbrite are safe for aluminum. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:09 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Zenith-List: A blast from the past....2 Do not archive Flying and this list are supposed to be fun............ "If Sasquatch is ever found, he will probably be carrying green Scotchbrite". So another lister responded with something like this: "We ran the clip through the crime lab, enhanced it and found the following, see attached." I'm sorry I don't have the names of those involved, but is this list a great resource of creative people or what? 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