---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/11/09: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:56 AM - Re: What did you do today? (kmccune) 2. 06:15 AM - Re: What did you do today? (Gig Giacona) 3. 07:04 AM - Re: What did you do today? (hansriet) 4. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (Paul Mulwitz) 5. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (jaybannist@cs.com) 6. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (Carlos Sa) 7. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (Craig Payne) 8. 10:01 AM - Torque wrenches (lwinger) 9. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (Jeyoung65@aol.com) 10. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (Craig Payne) 11. 01:21 PM - Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? (Gig Giacona) 12. 02:53 PM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race) 13. 04:58 PM - Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? (leinad) 14. 05:31 PM - Re: Torque wrenches (Craig Payne) 15. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (Lawrence Webber) 16. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (Craig Payne) 17. 07:15 PM - Re: What did you make today? (Ron Lendon) 18. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (JohnDRead@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:12 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? From: "kmccune" Made the flaperon rib form blocks yesterday and then cleaned up my so I could move around and find things. Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243509#243509 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:27 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? From: "Gig Giacona" Installed ELT and worked on cabin heat muff. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243518#243518 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:05 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? From: "hansriet" I researched torque wrenches, to no avail. If anybody has tips, it will be appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243526#243526 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:12 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? Hi Hans, Harbor Freight has a nice selection of torque wrenches. I have one of the smaller ones with 3/8 drive and a larger one too. Paul XL grounded At 07:02 AM 5/11/2009, you wrote: >I researched torque wrenches, to no avail. If anybody has tips, it >will be appreciated. > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? From: jaybannist@cs.com Everyone should have on their computer a copy of John Schwaner's "Mechanic's Toolbox".? There you will find everything you need to know about torque wrenches and their use; and lots and lots of other valuable stuff. Jay Bannister -----Original Message----- From: hansriet Sent: Mon, 11 May 2009 9:02 am Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? I researched torque wrenches, to no avail. If anybody has tips, it will be appreciated. ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? From: Carlos Sa Kitplanes June 2009 mentions a digital wrench from Sears About US$200, if I am not mistaken Carlos 2009/5/11 hansriet > > I researched torque wrenches, to no avail. If anybody has tips, it will be > appreciated. > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:50 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? For foot pounds the standard "torsion bar" or beam ones from Sears are dandy. It is in the lower ranges (inch pounds) where it gets tough. The imported "click" style don't keep their accuracy. To get a good "click" torque wrench you have to spend some dough and get a name brand like Snap-On. You can have a good wrench and use it the wrong way and be way off. For example on the beam wrenches the plastic handle pivots on the steel shaft through an axle. If you don't hold it such that the handle is floating free with the force only transmitted through the axle then the reading will be off. I went with a strain gauge based Computorq 3 from CDI. The 1/4 inch drive model has a range of 2 to 20 foot pounds or 24 to 240 inch pounds. You enter the target on the display and as you approach a yellow light comes on. When you reach the target a green light comes on. Accompanying sound effects allow you to torque where you can't see the wrench. Lots of people sell them and prices vary widely - just google "cdi computorq3" You can take the whole thing to an extreme. Some would have you calibrate the wrench before each use. The section on torque in the Sky Ranch Engineering Manual is a good read. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hansriet Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:02 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? I researched torque wrenches, to no avail. If anybody has tips, it will be appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243526#243526 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:58 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Torque wrenches From: "lwinger" Based on advice from William Wynne, I invested in three different beam-type torque wrenches. They are all relatively low cost and easy to see if the calibration is off (beam off center on scale). For my engine and large bolts, I got two different 3/8" Craftsman beam torque wrenches. One is 0-75 and the other is 0-150 ft-lbs. Because of the numerous AN3-4 bolts we fasten on our planes, with ranges as low as 20 inch/pounds, I got a KD 1/4" Fixed non-rachet beam torque wrench #2955. It measures from 0 to 60 in-lbs and is relatively small to fit in tight locations. For ranges over 60 in-lbs, it is easy to convert to ft-lbs (divide by 12) and use the next larger torque wrench. I would love to go digital, but the level of care and need for calibration kept me content to go analog. -------- Larry Winger Tustin, CA Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair Fuselage on gear Ready for canopy www.mykitlog.com/lwinger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243557#243557 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:53 AM PST US From: Jeyoung65@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? Not sure this is the best wrench for self-locking nuts. You should check the torque required to run the bolt through on self-locking section of the nuts and add it to the torque you are using. Most are well below 24 inch pounds. Jerry of GA DO NOT ARCHIVE In a message dated 5/11/2009 11:37:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, craig@craigandjean.com writes: .. I went with a strain gauge based Computorq 3 from CDI. The 1/4 inch drive model has a range of 2 to 20 foot pounds or 24 to 240 inch pounds. You enter the target on the display and as you approach a yellow light comes on. When you reach the target a green light comes on. Accompanying sound effects allow you to torque where you can't see the wrench. Lots of people sell them and prices vary widely - just google "cdi computorq3" You can take the whole thing to an extreme. Some would have you calibrate the wrench before each use. The section on torque in the Sky Ranch Engineering Manual is a good read. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! Excfooter51109NO62) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:34 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? Yes, I know. I posted the message below last year in March. I avoid the issue by not reusing small self-locking nuts. What wrench do you use? -- Craig The stuff I read said that you measure the drag torque with your torque wrench before the nut starts touching the surface to be clamped. For the small nuts I couldn't do this with my CompuTorq3 electronic wrench as it doesn't start registering until 20 or so inch-pounds. I guessed around 5 inch-pounds. What I finally found that helped was table 7-2 in AC 43.13-1B (Acceptable Methods.). "Minimum prevailing torque values for re-used self-locking nuts". This tells you how much drag torque a SL nut needs to have for it to be safe to reuse it. I reasoned that this must be a pretty good guide to the minimum drag in a *new* SL nut. For fine threads the table says: 7/16-20 8 in-lbs 1/2-20 10 in-lbs 9/16-18 13 in-lbs .. From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeyoung65@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? Not sure this is the best wrench for self-locking nuts. You should check the torque required to run the bolt through on self-locking section of the nuts and add it to the torque you are using. Most are well below 24 inch pounds. Jerry of GA DO NOT ARCHIVE In a message dated 5/11/2009 11:37:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, craig@craigandjean.com writes: .. I went with a strain gauge based Computorq 3 from CDI. The 1/4 inch drive model has a range of 2 to 20 foot pounds or 24 to 240 inch pounds. You enter the target on the display and as you approach a yellow light comes on. When you reach the target a green light comes on. Accompanying sound effects allow you to torque where you can't see the wrench. Lots of people sell them and prices vary widely - just google "cdi computorq3" You can take the whole thing to an extreme. Some would have you calibrate the wrench before each use. The section on torque in the Sky Ranch Engineering Manual is a good read. _____ An Excellx1222585010x1201462743/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/de fault.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=MayExcfooter51109NO62>See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:44 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? From: "Gig Giacona" I've searched and can't find it but somebody posted not long ago about a Dynon A/P install. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243593#243593 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:41 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Reminder Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT www.mykitairplane.com Click on the Chat Room link on the page. George "Check Out My New Access Opening Kit" Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:52 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? From: "leinad" Gig, I installed a Dynon D10A. Do you have a specific question? Dan Gig Giacona wrote: > I've searched and can't find it but somebody posted not long ago about a Dynon A/P install. -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243619#243619 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:49 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Torque wrenches More torque trivia: "For instance, did you know that your torque wrench-freshly calibrated by someone traceable to the National Bureau of Standards-is not accurate in the first 1/6th and last 1/6th of its range? That's right: a 100 ft.lb torque wrench is accurate only over the middle 2/3 of its range. So it should not be used for anything outside of 16?84 ft?lbs! Size the wrench to the job, and don't fool yourself into thinking that you can just figure the conversion from in lb to ft?lb, set that 100 ft?lb torque wrench to 3 foot pounds, and have 36 inch?pounds. No telling what you'll have, that far away from the calibrated zone. " http://www.vansairforce.org/articles/tips/tip_torque_bolts.html -- Craig ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:43 PM PST US From: Lawrence Webber Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? Craig im new to powder coat painting ? can you paint a powder paint over an existing standard base paint provided you have sanded first? i used a powder on my valve covers which i sand blasted=2C wire wheeled and for al l purposes were raw metal finish i then baked in oven 300 until no more smoke was visible cooled then powd er painted and was very pleased with finish. they will be seen at CC#14 in Lowell Ma. on the 22nd of this month Larry > From: craig@craigandjean.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? > Date: Sun=2C 10 May 2009 19:45:10 -0600 > > > I (re)powder coated one of the sub-panels on my instrument panel last nig ht. > BTW: if you ever need to remove powder coat acetone didn't touch it but > Permatex Gasket Remover (item #80646) made short work of it. And it's "kn own > by the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other > reproductive harm"! > > Today I'm mounting switches and instruments. > > -- Craig > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut orial_QuickAdd1_052009 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:24 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? Are you saying that even after your prep'ed you still had some old conventional paint on the surface? Everything I have read says you have to have bare metal or a first layer of the same powder coat. Since you will cure it at 400-450 degrees F I'd be worried about the effect of the high heat on the old paint. But everything I have done was new aluminum so I don't have much to go on. The nice thing about aluminum is that no matter how bad your oven is the whole item quickly reaches a uniform temperature. -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Webber Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? Craig im new to powder coat painting ? can you paint a powder paint over an existing standard base paint provided you have sanded first? i used a powder on my valve covers which i sand blasted, wire wheeled and for all purposes were raw metal finish i then baked in oven 300 until no more smoke was visible cooled then powder painted and was very pleased with finish. they will be seen at CC#14 in Lowell Ma. on the 22nd of this month Larry > From: craig@craigandjean.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? > Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:45:10 -0600 > > > I (re)powder coated one of the sub-panels on my instrument panel last night. > BTW: if you ever need to remove powder coat acetone didn't touch it but > Permatex Gasket Remover (item #80646) made short work of it. And it's "known > by the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other > reproductive harm"! > > Today I'm mounting switches and instruments. ==================== > _==== > > > _____ Insert movie times and more without leaving HotmailR. See how. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:45 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What did you make today? From: "Ron Lendon" Made the Central Pedal Bearing 6B9-4 -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Corvair Engine Prints: http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243644#243644 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/6b9_4_003_large_220.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:57 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? Sears has a good one, about $70.00 as I recall. It was within 1 in. oz when I check calibration. do not archive. John Read CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 5/11/2009 8:07:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, hansinla@mac.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "hansriet" I researched torque wrenches, to no avail. If anybody has tips, it will be appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243526#243526 **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! 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