---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/12/09: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:44 AM - Re: What did you do today? (Edward Moody II) 2. 05:00 AM - Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? (DaveG601XL) 3. 05:09 AM - Mid-Atlantic Fly-in (601corvair) 4. 06:18 AM - Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? (Gig Giacona) 5. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? (jaybannist@cs.com) 6. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? (jaybannist@cs.com) 7. 08:04 AM - Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? (Gig Giacona) 8. 08:12 AM - Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? (lgingell) 9. 09:31 AM - Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? (Gig Giacona) 10. 09:46 AM - Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? (DaveG601XL) 11. 09:58 AM - Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? (Gig Giacona) 12. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (Lawrence Webber) 13. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (Bill Naumuk) 14. 01:07 PM - Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? (DaveG601XL) 15. 02:12 PM - Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? (Gig Giacona) 16. 05:46 PM - Re: What did you do today? (kmccune) 17. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (Art Gibeaut) 18. 10:54 PM - 6 years and 1150 hours (N601RT) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:21 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What did you do today? Finished putting on the red detail stripes and added anti-chaffing tape between the upper and lower cowl sections. Then I made one more walk-around to make sure everything will be ready for first flight if the weather cooperates this weekend. Building has been fun but after all... the objective has always been to fly. Ed Moody II 601XL/Jabiru/Sensenich GA N4568G "Papa Goose" ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:01 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? From: "DaveG601XL" Gig, I have a Dynon D180 with both pitch and roll servos installed and working. The mechanical servo installation was per the TruTrack guides. The electrical hook-up and programming per the Dynon instructions was also straight forward. Lance Gingell also has the Dynon A/P and was one of Dynon's beta testers. Pics attached. -------- David Gallagher 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 First flight 7/24/08 70 hours and climbing! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243687#243687 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/autopilotservos_02_212.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/autopilotservos_01_120.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:58 AM PST US From: 601corvair Subject: Zenith-List: Mid-Atlantic Fly-in Any of you folks attending this event? I was thinking of driving down Saturday if anyone from the list was showing up.- This is usually nicely done.- Some old war birds and some silly g round applications of jet engines. --------------------------------------------------------------- Mid-Atlantic Fly-In Event Tag(s): *Fly-in Lumberton Regional Airport, Lumberton, NC, USA Three day fly-in with first class airshow. on-field camping, exhibits, seminars and a great selection of light sport aircraft dealers. Large group of warbirds. Visit our website for complete information. http://www.mafsac.com =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:23 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? From: "Gig Giacona" Dave, other than what came from Dynon, which I assume was just the servos, did you make up a parts list? And is there a link to the Trutrack install instructions? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243696#243696 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? From: jaybannist@cs.com Gig, If the Dynon autopilot uses TruTrak servos, you can go to the TruTrak web site.? More information there than you will ever need. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Gig Giacona Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 8:17 am Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? Dave, other than what came from Dynon, which I assume was just the servos, did you make up a parts list? And is there a link to the Trutrack install instructions? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243696#243696 ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? From: jaybannist@cs.com Gig, Here is what you need for the physical installation of TruTrak servos in a 601XL. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Gig Giacona Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 8:17 am Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? Dave, other than what came from Dynon, which I assume was just the servos, did you make up a parts list? And is there a link to the Trutrack install instructions? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243696#243696 ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:01 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? From: "Gig Giacona" Comparing Dave's pics to the TruTrack drawings there sure looks like there is some more stuff on Dave's elevator cable connection. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243717#243717 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:38 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? From: "lgingell" Gig, David is correct. I'm beta testing for Dynon. My install is very similar to his excellent pictures. The physical install of the roll servo is a 'drop in' for the trutrak. The pitch servo depicted in the trutrak documentation doesn't appear workable at all, so I did mine differently. David did his the same way. The only difference is that mine came with a little dark red pulley for the upper elevator cable INSTEAD of the apparent 4 flanged guide on David's (which looks easier to install!). Oh, and what took you so long?....I was copying your ideas at the start!!! (just teasing!!). Cheers, ..lance -------- Zodiac XL/Jab 3300 http://lancegingell.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243719#243719 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? From: "Gig Giacona" lgingell wrote: > Gig, > > > > Oh, and what took you so long?....I was copying your ideas at the start!!! (just teasing!!). > > Cheers, > ..lance I'm lazy and slow. No question about it. South Arkansas weather sucks it is either too cold or too hot. And the wiring has been kicking my butt which other than hooking up the wings is really all I have to finish. I hate wiring so much that now I want to add the both roll and pitch servos. Did a I mention that I was a masochist as well. To paraphrase the great Samuel L Jackson in the best airplane movie in years, "I'm sick and tired of the Mutha Fracking WIRES in this Mutha Fracking Plane." -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243729#243729 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:00 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? From: "DaveG601XL" Gig, The aluminum support structure required to mount the servos do not come from Dynon. You will fabricate them yourself. The roll servo needs the "generic push-pull mounting kit" to go with it. All it is are two rod end bearings and an aluminum tube to connect them. You can probably buy the parts individually from Spruce and save a few bucks. The capstan servo for pitch does not need any other hardware kit to go with it. Other than contorting yourself into the area behind the seats, the installation was not bad. I estimate I took about 8-10 hours for each servo. Buy the more powerful SV42 servo for roll, not the SV32 that Dynon recommends. You will want the stronger servo for a 601. Same price, but a bit heavier. Mount the servo rod to the control stick arm as low as possible to get the most moment-arm force. The SV32 capstan servo for pitch is adequate. I had to move one of the rudder cables up a tad to get clearance from the servo body. That explains the piece of aluminum riveted to the rear frame channel where the old through hole was. Good luck, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 First flight 7/24/08 70 hours and climbing! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243734#243734 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:37 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? From: "Gig Giacona" So basicly, SV32C (capstan), Retail (Includes SV32C: 100754-002, Capstan Accessory Kit: 101116- 000) $750 100854-002 SV42 (standard output arm), Retail (Includes SV42: 101008-000, Limiting Bracket Kit: 101025-000) $750 101058-000 AP74 Dedicated Autopilot Interface Module Horizontal, Retail (Includes AP74 Horizontal: 100756-001, AP74/AP76 Mounting Tray: 101049-000, AP74/AP76 Connector Kit: 100831-004, 7/64 Hex Wrench: 100556-000) $450 100852-001 I don't see a specific "generic push-pull mounting kit." Is that included in the SV42 kit? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243739#243739 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:52 AM PST US From: Lawrence Webber Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? the first ones i did were bare metal these came out great now i would like ti try on old but prepped existing in other words not bare metal Larry From: craig@craigandjean.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? Are you saying that even after your prep=92ed you still had some old conven tional paint on the surface? Everything I have read says you have to have b are metal or a first layer of the same powder coat. Since you will cure it at 400-450 degrees F I=92d be worried about the effect of the high heat on the old paint. But everything I have done was new aluminum so I don=92t hav e much to go on. The nice thing about aluminum is that no matter how bad yo ur oven is the whole item quickly reaches a uniform temperature. -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Webber Sent: Monday=2C May 11=2C 2009 6:30 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? Craig im new to powder coat painting ? can you paint a powder paint over an existing standard base paint provided you have sanded first? i used a powder on my valve covers which i sand blasted=2C wire wheeled and for al l purposes were raw metal finish i then baked in oven 300 until no more smoke was visible cooled then powd er painted and was very pleased with finish. they will be seen at CC#14 in Lowell Ma. on the 22nd of this month Larry > From: craig@craigandjean.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? > Date: Sun=2C 10 May 2009 19:45:10 -0600 > > > I (re)powder coated one of the sub-panels on my instrument panel last nig ht. > BTW: if you ever need to remove powder coat acetone didn't touch it but > Permatex Gasket Remover (item #80646) made short work of it. And it's "kn own > by the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other > reproductive harm"! > > Today I'm mounting switches and instruments. ==================== > _==== > > > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. See how. http://w ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www .matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto rial_Storage1_052009 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:43 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? All- The attached is self-explanitory. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Webber To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:30 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? the first ones i did were bare metal these came out great now i would like ti try on old but prepped existing in other words not bare metal Larry ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: craig@craigandjean.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:04:12 -0600 Are you saying that even after your prep=92ed you still had some old conventional paint on the surface? Everything I have read says you have to have bare metal or a first layer of the same powder coat. Since you will cure it at 400-450 degrees F I=92d be worried about the effect of the high heat on the old paint. But everything I have done was new aluminum so I don=92t have much to go on. The nice thing about aluminum is that no matter how bad your oven is the whole item quickly reaches a uniform temperature. -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Webber Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:30 PM To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? Craig im new to powder coat painting ? can you paint a powder paint over an existing standard base paint provided you have sanded first? i used a powder on my valve covers which i sand blasted, wire wheeled and for all purposes were raw metal finish i then baked in oven 300 until no more smoke was visible cooled then powder painted and was very pleased with finish. they will be seen at CC#14 in Lowell Ma. on the 22nd of this month Larry > From: craig@craigandjean.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? > Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:45:10 -0600 > > > I (re)powder coated one of the sub-panels on my instrument panel last night. > BTW: if you ever need to remove powder coat acetone didn't touch it but > Permatex Gasket Remover (item #80646) made short work of it. And it's "known > by the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other > reproductive harm"! > > Today I'm mounting switches and instruments. ==================== > _==== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. See how. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. Check it out. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:51 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? From: "DaveG601XL" Gig, Look all the way to the bottom of Dynon's order/price form for the generic push-pull kit. It is clumped in with the RV install kits. You will need to purchase a 1/4X28 tap. The kit's aluminum tube gets custom fit by you for length, then tapped for the rod end bearings. I also had to buy some AN3H-3A drilled head bolts to mount the servos to the brackets. The servo's have threaded holes, so the bolt heads need safety wired. My picture above shows regular bolts there for the initial fit-up since I did not have the drilled head bolts on hand at the time. Good luck, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 First flight 7/24/08 70 hours and climbing! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243766#243766 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:21 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Who was it that had instaled a Dynon A/P? From: "Gig Giacona" Thanks guys, I assume you both installed the AP74? -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243783#243783 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:37 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? From: "kmccune" Made the blanks for the flaperon ribs today. Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243804#243804 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:03 PM PST US From: Art Gibeaut Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? I bought the Sears wrench and it works great. --- On Mon, 5/11/09, JohnDRead@aol.com wrote: > From: JohnDRead@aol.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 9:51 PM > > > > > > > Sears has a good one, about $70.00 as I recall. It was > within 1 in. oz when > I check calibration. do not archive. > > John > Read > CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 > > Phone: 303-648-3261 > Fax: > 303-648-3262 > Cell: 719-494-4567 > > > In a message dated 5/11/2009 8:07:34 A.M. Mountain > Daylight Time, > hansinla@mac.com writes: > --> > Zenith-List message posted by: "hansriet" > > > I > researched torque wrenches, to no avail. If anybody has > tips, it will be > appreciated. > > > > > Read this topic online > here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243526#243526============================================== > the > ties > Day > ================================================ > - MATRONICS WEB > FORUMS > ================================================ > - List Contribution Web > Site > sp; > > > ================================================== > > > > An Excellent Credit Score is > 750. See > Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:17 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 6 years and 1150 hours From: "N601RT" Greetings, The first flight of N601RT was six years ago today (5/12/03). Since that time we have logged 1150 hours on the engine hour meter in the Grand Rapids Technology EIS. 1292 take offs and landings. I spent about 1500 hours over 8 years building N601RT from the standard kit. Ive made numerous improvements/changes before (which is one reason for the long build time) and after the first flight. Its a great feeling to build and fly your own airplane. Those of you still building, keep at it. The personal satisfaction is great. My CH601HDS is great fun and relatively inexpensive to fly. Regards, Roy N601RT: 2003 CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 1159hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243828#243828 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.