---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/08/09: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:42 AM - Re: Breakfast at Midlothian and a Little Glitch (cookwithgas) 2. 07:28 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race) 3. 08:41 AM - Breakfast at Midlothian and a Little Glitch () 4. 09:05 AM - Re: What did you do today? (PatrickW) 5. 09:07 AM - Re: Breakfast at Midlothian and a Little Glitch (Tim Juhl) 6. 09:50 AM - Re: What did you do today? (Gig Giacona) 7. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (Beckman, Rick) 8. 09:54 AM - Re: Breakfast at Midlothian and a Little Glitch (Gig Giacona) 9. 10:42 AM - Wilbur and Orville in 1909 (roger lambert) 10. 10:42 AM - Re:Wings & Wheels Flyin at Barber 2D1 airport (Gary Ray) 11. 11:45 AM - Re: 601 XL flyers or builders near Dayton (DaveG601XL) 12. 11:51 AM - Re: Breakfast at Midlothian and a Little Glitch (cookwithgas) 13. 12:13 PM - Re: Breakfast at Midlothian and a Little Glitch (Gig Giacona) 14. 12:15 PM - Re: Breakfast at Midlothian and a Little Glitch (cookwithgas) 15. 12:33 PM - 601HDS/Jab2200 project for sale in San Diego (Dejan Vucinic) 16. 04:28 PM - Re: What did you do today? (eddies) 17. 05:28 PM - Re: Wilbur and Orville in 1909 (PatrickW) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Breakfast at Midlothian and a Little Glitch From: "cookwithgas" Gig - you have no idea how glad we are to be in warm weather again without the prospect of snow looming in the months ahead! I'm glad you liked the report - I hope to have many more flying adventures in North Texas coming up. Scott in Texas 601XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247280#247280 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:46 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Reminder Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT www.mykitairplane.com Click on the Chat Room link on the page. George "Check Out My New Access Opening Kit" Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:22 AM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Breakfast at Midlothian and a Little Glitch Great story Scott and it sure was good to hear you found the problem right away. Blue Skies... Scott Thatcher 601XL with WW Corvair N601EL 27 hours and climbing... <> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:41 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? From: "PatrickW" Took apart a $15 dwyer gauge, printed a new instrument face for it with my inkjet printer, put it back together, and now it's a $400 "Lift Reserve Indicator". :-) - Pat -------- Patrick XL/650/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247309#247309 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:30 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Breakfast at Midlothian and a Little Glitch From: "Tim Juhl" Scott, Are your only fuel pumps in the wing? As I recall the Corvair install doesn't use an engine driven pump, correct? I guess my real question is if you lose a pump do you also lose the ability to draw fuel from it's associated tank? Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247310#247310 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:25 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? From: "Gig Giacona" I pulled off the spinner and replaced the J-nuts I had on the front prop bulkhead with nut plates. MUCH better. I also started the wiring process between the Dynon, the trim servos and the buttons on the stick. Which other than some clean up and quick ties is the last of the wiring until the wings go on. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247316#247316 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? From: "Beckman, Rick" Go Pat!!!! Took apart a $15 dwyer gauge, printed a new instrument face for it with my inkjet printer, put it back together, and now it's a $400 "Lift Reserve Indicator". :-) - Pat Do NOT archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:15 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Breakfast at Midlothian and a Little Glitch From: "Gig Giacona" Tim Juhl wrote: > Scott, > Are your only fuel pumps in the wing? As I recall the Corvair install doesn't use an engine driven pump, correct? I guess my real question is if you lose a pump do you also lose the ability to draw fuel from it's associated tank? > > Tim Which is why in the William Wynne "suggested" design the pumps are are in-line and draw from the tank selected by the tank selector. Those pumps do fail. I've already replaced one an the plane has never flown. Probably my fault I ran it to long dry. But it's not like I ran it THAT long. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247317#247317 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:15 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Wilbur and Orville in 1909 From: roger lambert Here is one to get your mind right. http://www.europafilmtreasures.eu/PY/322/fiche_technique.htm?ID=322 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:15 AM PST US From: "Gary Ray" Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Wings & Wheels Flyin at Barber 2D1 airport I flew my 601XL down to Barber Airport, OH for the Wings and Wheels fly in this last Saturday. The weather was perfect on the way down as unlimited severe clear skies. Flew over the airport once before I saw it. How I missed the colorful aircraft on the ground the first time I can't explain. Landed on the 2000 foot sod runway without problems. It was a bit rough due to the corrigations left by the tractor tire tread marks. Definitely different from the hard strips that I am used to. Met many really nice people and builders, had breakfast, and was convinced that the trip was well worth it due to the enthusiastic crowd that was interested in seeing the plane. I departed in the afternoon due to Michigan weather not likely to hold up later in the day. A bit bumpy on the 2 hour trip back. Stopped at SANDUSKY CO RGNL Airport for fuel and dodged a little rain after that on the way back I got to try out my ATC Anywhere Map GPS which worked as advertised and kept me from violating controlled airspace from Detroit, Toledo, Cleveland, and Akron-Canton. All in all a very nice Saturday adventure. Gary Ray davgray@sbcglobal.net 601XL, WW Corvair, 0.060 over, Roy Szarafinski 5th bearing , officially crossed over the 100 hour TT ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:28 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL flyers or builders near Dayton From: "DaveG601XL" Bill, I am based 9 miles from your destination and just sent you an e-mail. -------- David Gallagher 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 First flight 7/24/08 70 hours and climbing! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247329#247329 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:17 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Breakfast at Midlothian and a Little Glitch From: "cookwithgas" Tim and Gig: No engine-driven pump and both pumps are mounted on the fuselage covered by the nose of the wings. Two things I planned for before getting too far along on the airplane were 1) BRS and 2) no fuel lines in the cockpit. I don't want to start a debate on the merits, I am merely pointing out how I did it. I ran all of my fuel lines under the fuselage with a valve extension inside the cockpit to shut off fuel. I have two independent systems of tank, pump and fuel line. They T together after check valves so I can't pump from one tank to the other. This way, there is no firewall penetration and really no place to mount another fuel pump on the firewall. If push came to shove I could mount one upside down under the floor. Another point is that since I have been flying, I never go very long without switching tanks. I keep them about even and generally don't fly below 1/2 tank in both tanks. I had a pretty good scare over Indiana last summer where I miscalculated the distance and wind to my next stop. I'll never let that happen again. Even then I kept switching down to touching the "E's." The Corvair runs great until you stop sending fuel to it. I was pretty careful in the design to make sure it always gets fuel. I got the fuel pump at lunch and swung by the airport to remove the inspection plate. I think this might be easier than I anticipated. Scott in Texas 601XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247330#247330 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:20 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Breakfast at Midlothian and a Little Glitch From: "Gig Giacona" Scott, I am glad that you don't have the fuel under pressure in the cockpit. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247331#247331 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:11 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Breakfast at Midlothian and a Little Glitch From: "cookwithgas" Gig Giacona wrote: > Scott, > > I am glad that you don't have the fuel under pressure in the cockpit. Gig: Another good point. I wanted to put the fuel pumps as close to the tank as possible to avoid vapor lock so that would mean pressurized fuel from the wings to the engine. Thanks for making that point. Scott in Texas. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247332#247332 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:40 PM PST US From: Dejan Vucinic Subject: Zenith-List: 601HDS/Jab2200 project for sale in San Diego Please spread the word: I'm offering my Zenith 601HDS project for sale. The plane was started back in 1999=2C was built from a factory kit by-the-book by a skilled and patient craftsman in his early thirties=2C then got stuck in the "90% done=2C 90% to go" phase several years ago as a result of increasing demands of my day job. The airframe is mostly completed=2C sitting on wheels in the garage. It has the forward-opening canopy and the wing tanks like the XL=2C but no flaps and bungee gear. (Incidentally=2C this design never had flutter issues=2C caveat emptor.) I have a Jabiru 2200 engine new in crate as shipped from the factory=2C and the FWF kit. (What it lacks in power relative to the bigger 3300 it makes up for in greatly reduced weight...) All told I have about 600 hours of work into it. I estimate it will take another 200 hours of work to mount the engine and finish the wiring and plumbing=2C which would result in a minimalist flying configuration. With the upcoming changes in my work situation I simply don't have the time to complete the project=2C find it a home and get all the paperwork finished--I decided I'd rather be flying during the little free time I have=2C so my loss is your gain. I invested over $30000 into the project so far. I'm asking $24000 for everything=2C including the various special tools. If there are no takers for the whole package by the end of the summer I will entertain reasonable offers for parts. Call Diego at 858-205-8673 or email at N713Z@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto rial_Storage_062009 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:19 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today? From: "eddies" My wife and I did a beautiful 3 hour flight from our local airport in Cessnock Australia with 2 friends in a Jabiru. Just paste the link below into your web browser. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=annems123&target=ALBUM&id=5344395194501819457&authkey=Gv1sRgCMf_pI-9pebMfw&feat=email Cheers Eddie Seve Zenith 601XL Jab 3300 160 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247366#247366 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:07 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wilbur and Orville in 1909 From: "PatrickW" Looks like a very early Burt Rutan design, with an early version of Bernie Pietenpol's angle-of-attack indicator. [Laughing] - Pat -------- Patrick XL/650/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247373#247373 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.