Zenith-List Digest Archive

Mon 06/29/09


Total Messages Posted: 31



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     1. 12:38 AM - O-200 Cowling. (Peter W Johnson)
     2. 03:33 AM - Re: O-200 Cowling. (Ashley)
     3. 05:46 AM - Re: Emailing: 100_2937Emailing: 100_2937 (cookwithgas)
     4. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Flap up adjustments. (Juan Vega)
     5. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: Flap up adjustments. (John Smith)
     6. 09:08 AM - Re: Flap up adjustments. (Sabrina)
     7. 09:21 AM - Re: Emailing: 100_2937 ()
     8. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: Flap up adjustments. (Juan Vega)
     9. 10:11 AM - Re: Emailing: 100_2937 (wade jones)
    10. 10:45 AM - Texas Tales (Randy L. Thwing)
    11. 10:53 AM - Re: Flap up adjustments. (Sabrina)
    12. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: Flap up adjustments. (Juan Vega)
    13. 11:52 AM - Re: Texas Tales (jaybannist@cs.com)
    14. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: Flap up adjustments. (Juan Vega)
    15. 11:54 AM - Flying at sunset picture (Juan Vega)
    16. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (Jim Belcher)
    17. 12:19 PM - Re: Flap up adjustments. (Sabrina)
    18. 12:26 PM - Re: Texas Tales (KEVINBONDS@comcast.net)
    19. 01:16 PM - Re: Texas Tales (jaybannist@cs.com)
    20. 01:39 PM - Re: Texas Tales (Jim Belcher)
    21. 01:48 PM - Re: Flap up adjustments. (chris Sinfield)
    22. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: Flap up adjustments. (Paul Mulwitz)
    23. 02:40 PM - Re: Flap up adjustments. (Sabrina)
    24. 02:48 PM - Re: What did you do today? (Sabrina)
    25. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: What did you do today? (Jim Belcher)
    26. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: Flap up adjustments. (Juan Vega)
    27. 03:57 PM - Re: What did you do today? (Sabrina)
    28. 04:35 PM - Re: What did you do today? (leinad)
    29. 05:43 PM - Grove 5" wheel hub caps (Darryl Legg)
    30. 06:21 PM - Re: Texas Tales (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
    31. 07:12 PM - Re: Texas Tales (wade jones)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:38:08 AM PST US
    From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: O-200 Cowling.
    Hi Guys, I am presently trying to install the cowling on my O-200 601XL. If I fit it so the prop fits the prop hub, the front (aviation) spark plugs interfere with the cowling. I notice Sabrina uses a prop hub extension rather than automotive spark plugs. Is the prop hub extension or the automotive spark plugs the only alternatives? Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://zodiac.cpc-world.com


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    Time: 03:33:32 AM PST US
    From: "Ashley" <ashleyw@gvtc.com>
    Subject: Re: O-200 Cowling.
    Peter, I have on O-200 and had the same problem. You can modify the cowl with a small bubble over the spark plug. Floyd Wilkes 601XL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:33 AM Subject: Zenith-List: O-200 Cowling. > <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> > > Hi Guys, > > I am presently trying to install the cowling on my O-200 601XL. If I fit > it > so the prop fits the prop hub, the front (aviation) spark plugs interfere > with the cowling. I notice Sabrina uses a prop hub extension rather than > automotive spark plugs. Is the prop hub extension or the automotive spark > plugs the only alternatives? > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://zodiac.cpc-world.com > > >


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    Time: 05:46:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Emailing: 100_2937Emailing: 100_2937
    From: "cookwithgas" <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM>
    Ed you know I'm tied to that one three ways - LSU beating Texas in Omaha? It doesn't get any better than that. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250574#250574


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    Time: 07:53:33 AM PST US
    From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Flap up adjustments.
    that I agree with. My point is people are building the flaps with too much play, and they think that is fine. They need to do it right the first time, or should be redone. -----Original Message----- >From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> >Sent: Jun 29, 2009 12:14 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flap up adjustments. > > >It is clear that the German test results show that a improperly stopped flap gap is bad news. If one is conducting Vne Phase 1 testing, duct tape over the flap gap sounds like a good idea to me, just in case the builder did not get it correct. Not during all of Phase 1, just for critical periods during Phase 1. > >I would even say so for the maiden flight... just one less thing to go wrong. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250546#250546 > >


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    Time: 08:43:15 AM PST US
    From: John Smith <zenithlist@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Flap up adjustments.
    Sabrina,=0A=0ADo you have pictures or drawings of your flap stops which do not twist flaps?- I like to take a look at them.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0AFrom: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>=0ATo: zenith -list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:15:22 AM=0ASubject: Ze "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>=0A=0AThe solid stop XL flaps I have seen seem to have a smaller gap inboard than outboard.- This appears to be fr om the flap motor, which is connected to the inboard portion of the flap, t wisting the flap the 2mm Juan talks about.- This puts a slight washout on the inboard portion of the flap.=0A=0AIn flight, air flow is fighting the solid stop XL flap due to this washout.=0A=0AMy flap stop does not load/twi st the flap, it loads the spar.- In flight, my flap stop is not being unl oaded by air flow.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://f orums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250550#250550=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ==============0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 09:08:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flap up adjustments.
    From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
    6-S-3 I had a real problem, knowing of the aileron unzipping at the time, to rivet the first three rivets inboard of the aileron attach point on the top flange of the rear spar with rivets that would grip nylo! Think about it for a minute. My stop is about twice as long, rounded at the forward edge and is riveted to the outboard flap rib below and parallel to the top skin. It engages the rear spar about 12 mm below the top flange. So too, the heads of the rivets holding the stop in place engage the nylo, goes through it and is pulled snug against the aluminum rib. My plans will be at the Zenith dinner at Air Venture. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250604#250604


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    Time: 09:21:50 AM PST US
    From: <paulrod36@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Emailing: 100_2937
    Yup, Texas does get hot. Reminds me of the time I was driving around San Antone, it was so hot the tires were melting off the semi ahead of me. I drove in his tire tracks, and got my tires recapped for free. Paul R. DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Belcher<mailto:z601@anemicaardvark.com> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Emailing: 100_2937 <z601@anemicaardvark.com<mailto:z601@anemicaardvark.com>> On Saturday 27 June 2009 21:13, jaybannist@cs.com<mailto:jaybannist@cs.com> wrote: > Texans don't need to apologize for bragging, especially when its the simple > truth. (Only when it is "pushing" the truth a little, maybe). > > Its hot here in Dallas, too.? I saw 103 today and I think this is 6 or 7 > days straight over 100. I try to get outside stuff done before noon.? It is > supposed to cool off, clear down to 97 for a few days.?? Poor fellow Texans. My turn to gloat: Texas is a big state, with a lot of variety in weather. Here in the Chihuahua desert, it's been a dry 96 by mid-afternoon, with nights in the 60s or upper 50s. I do remember the hot days when I lived northeast of Dallas. It seemed some days like I practically had to pry the plane off the ground. -- =================== Do not archive. =================== Jim B Belcher BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science A&P/IA Retired aerospace technical manager =================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List<http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Zenith-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on>


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    Time: 10:11:01 AM PST US
    From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Flap up adjustments.
    Good idea Sabrina, however if the flap motor puls the flap 2 mm past the point where the stop arrests the outboard edge, the total twist on the flap is negligable, max .0001 of one degree. so at the speeds the 601 fly, the negative incidence is moot. good train of thought though. check the geomtry by figuring the triangle angle measurements. Cheers, Juan -----Original Message----- >From: John Smith <zenithlist@yahoo.com> >Sent: Jun 29, 2009 11:40 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Flap up adjustments. > >Sabrina, > >Do you have pictures or drawings of your flap stops which do not twist flaps? I like to take a look at them. > > >________________________________ >From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:15:22 AM >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flap up adjustments. > > >The solid stop XL flaps I have seen seem to have a smaller gap inboard than outboard. This appears to be from the flap motor, which is connected to the inboard portion of the flap, twisting the flap the 2mm Juan talks about. This puts a slight washout on the inboard portion of the flap. > >In flight, air flow is fighting the solid stop XL flap due to this washout. > >My flap stop does not load/twist the flap, it loads the spar. In flight, my flap stop is not being unloaded by air flow. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250550#250550 > > >============ > >


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    Time: 10:11:01 AM PST US
    From: "wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
    Subject: Re: Emailing: 100_2937
    Now Paul ,that sounds like a Texas tale .I can't top that one . Wade Jones South East Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: paulrod36@msn.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Emailing: 100_2937 Yup, Texas does get hot. Reminds me of the time I was driving around San Antone, it was so hot the tires were melting off the semi ahead of me. I drove in his tire tracks, and got my tires recapped for free. Paul R. DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Belcher To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Emailing: 100_2937 <z601@anemicaardvark.com> On Saturday 27 June 2009 21:13, jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > Texans don't need to apologize for bragging, especially when its the simple > truth. (Only when it is "pushing" the truth a little, maybe). > > Its hot here in Dallas, too.? I saw 103 today and I think this is 6 or 7 > days straight over 100. I try to get outside stuff done before noon.? It is > supposed to cool off, clear down to 97 for a few days.?? Poor fellow Texans. My turn to gloat: Texas is a big state, with a lot of variety in weather. Here in the Chihuahua desert, it's been a dry 96 by mid-afternoon, with nights in the 60s or upper 50s. I do remember the hot days when I lived northeast of Dallas. It seemed some days like I practically had to pry the plane off the ground. -- =================== Do not archive. =================== Jim B Belcher BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science A&P/IA Retired aerospace technical manager ====================http://www.ma tronnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================


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    Time: 10:45:34 AM PST US
    From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Texas Tales
    do not archive I lived in Alaska during the start of the oil boom and a lot of Texans showed up to help. You could go to a cafe in Anchorage for breakfast and order a regular glass of orange juice off the menu, or you could order the "Texas Size", you know, the little one. Regards, Randy, Las Vegas Now Paul ,that sounds like a Texas tale .I can't top that one . Wade Jones South East Texas


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    Time: 10:53:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flap up adjustments.
    From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
    Juan, I respectfully disagree with your math, you assume a solid fixture with linear movement, the flap arm is moving the fairly flexible flap along an arc at that point. The play in the flap hinge alone can account for more than .0001 degrees. P.S. Juan, thanks for playing the Devil's Advocate, I appreciate it. I truly respect you as "Mr. Build to Plans" and I am one of those who questions just about every mark on each page of the plans. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250638#250638


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    Time: 11:52:19 AM PST US
    From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Flap up adjustments.
    no proplem, so we disagree and thats cool. It sperfectly OK to overplay something in you mind such as the trwist, anything to make you feel comfortable enough to feel like youve built a good aircraft works. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> >Sent: Jun 29, 2009 1:53 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flap up adjustments. > > >Juan, I respectfully disagree with your math, you assume a solid fixture with linear movement, the flap arm is moving the fairly flexible flap along an arc at that point. The play in the flap hinge alone can account for more than .0001 degrees. > >P.S. Juan, thanks for playing the Devil's Advocate, I appreciate it. I truly respect you as "Mr. Build to Plans" and I am one of those who questions just about every mark on each page of the plans. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250638#250638 > >


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    Time: 11:52:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Texas Tales
    From: jaybannist@cs.com
    In Texas, we never ask a stranger where he is from.? If he is from Texas, he will let you know.? If he is not, we don't want to embarrass him. Jay Do not archive ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com


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    Time: 11:52:19 AM PST US
    From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Flap up adjustments.
    Its so hot here in Florida these days, that fresh road kill, is good to eat since it is freshly cooked off the avement. -----Original Message----- >From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net> >Sent: Jun 29, 2009 1:08 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Flap up adjustments. > > >Good idea Sabrina, however if the flap motor puls the flap 2 mm past the point where the stop arrests the outboard edge, the total twist on the flap is negligable, max .0001 of one degree. so at the speeds the 601 fly, the negative incidence is moot. good train of thought though. check the geomtry by figuring the triangle angle measurements. >Cheers, >Juan > >-----Original Message----- >>From: John Smith <zenithlist@yahoo.com> >>Sent: Jun 29, 2009 11:40 AM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Flap up adjustments. >> >>Sabrina, >> >>Do you have pictures or drawings of your flap stops which do not twist flaps? I like to take a look at them. >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:15:22 AM >>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flap up adjustments. >> >> >>The solid stop XL flaps I have seen seem to have a smaller gap inboard than outboard. This appears to be from the flap motor, which is connected to the inboard portion of the flap, twisting the flap the 2mm Juan talks about. This puts a slight washout on the inboard portion of the flap. >> >>In flight, air flow is fighting the solid stop XL flap due to this washout. >> >>My flap stop does not load/twist the flap, it loads the spar. In flight, my flap stop is not being unloaded by air flow. >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250550#250550 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>============ >> >> > >


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    Time: 11:54:13 AM PST US
    From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Flying at sunset picture
    My neighbor took this cool photo overflying our house yesterday at sunset. First time i have seen my own beeny head sticking out the canopy. I have a radio in the house, and when I fly over my wife son comes out and I circle a bit before leaving to where ever I am destined to. Juan


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    Time: 12:14:08 PM PST US
    From: Jim Belcher <z601@anemicaardvark.com>
    Subject: Re: What did you do today?
    On Sunday 28 June 2009 10:08, Sabrina wrote: > > My favorite top 10 mods are the ones I came up with on my own, not to say > someone did not invent it before me, but I had not seen it: > > #1 The aileron attach gussets and AS5 inboard rivet. > #2 Lengthening the aircraft 3" so FAA/PMA plugs would fit under the cowl > on an O-200A engine. #3 My tub of foam forward fuselage/turtle deck mods > #4 My panel/foot rest (includes center spar/cabin floor mods) > #5 My canopy: it ejects and I added a rail wedge to make canopy fitting > easy. #6 My doubling of 6B-8-9, trimming and flipping the second lower > bearing support 180 degrees so it locks the nose strut in place even when > the nylo bearing wants to give. #7 My fuel system. (wobble pump, no > selector, one way valves, using the pumps themselves to help reinforce the > center spar) #8 My 4130 head rests which reinforce the rear spar carry > through. #9 My relief hole on the leading edge to prevent the fuel > sender/tank from overstressing the leading edge rivets. #10 Moving the tie > down to RR8 from RR9. I'm not sure all these are mods I would incorporate, but some of them sound interesting. Any chance of getting more details? -- ============================================ Do not archive. ============================================ Jim B Belcher BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science A&P/IA Retired aerospace technical manager ============================================


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    Time: 12:19:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flap up adjustments.
    From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
    Juan, I think you missed the point. 99% of my reason for moving the gap stop was to avoid having three key rivets subject to the nylo. Just like one of my canopy mods, one can't bump a single release during a flight and have it come loose on you. The only time my canopy has opened is when the PIC opens it, and even when they do, it does not pop up in flight due to the winglets and interrupter. These are not mods just to make someone feel safer, they are safer. Not to say my idea is the right idea, just an idea... Moving the flap stop to RR#6 might work as well. Less twist than at RR#7 but you avoid creating a weak link in the rear spar at a critical point. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250654#250654


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    Time: 12:26:12 PM PST US
    From: KEVINBONDS@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Texas Tales
    Did you guys know that the toothbrush was invented in Texas? . . . Anywhere else and it would be called the teethbrush . ;-) >From a Tennessee boy. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: jaybannist@cs.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:44:47 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Texas Tales In Texas, we never ask a stranger where he is from. If he is from Texas, he will let you know. If he is not, we don't want to embarrass him. Jay Do not archive Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com


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    Time: 01:16:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Texas Tales
    From: jaybannist@cs.com
    Kevin, are you hinting that I really don't have to have 28 toothbrushes to keep them all clean ?? Jay Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: KEVINBONDS@comcast.net Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:19 pm Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Texas Tales Did you guys know that the toothbrush was invented in Texas? . . . Anywhere else and it would be called the teethbrush. ;-) >From a Tennessee boy. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: jaybannist@cs.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:44:47 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Texas Tales In Texas, we never ask a stranger where he is from.? If he is from Texas, he will let you know.? If he is not, we don't want to embarrass him. Jay Do not archive Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com


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    Time: 01:39:54 PM PST US
    From: Jim Belcher <z601@anemicaardvark.com>
    Subject: Re: Texas Tales
    On Monday 29 June 2009 15:02, jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > Kevin, are you hinting that I really don't have to have 28 toothbrushes to > keep them all clean ?? > > Jay Does this mean you still have all your teeth? :-) -- ============================================ Do not archive. ============================================ Jim B Belcher BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science A&P/IA Retired aerospace technical manager ============================================


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    Time: 01:48:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flap up adjustments.
    From: "chris Sinfield" <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
    Hi all If I have up 2 flap stops one at each end of the flap, would that not stop the flap twist when up?? Chrisj Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250666#250666


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    Time: 02:04:40 PM PST US
    From: Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net>
    Subject: Re: Flap up adjustments.
    Hi Chris, I'm afraid that would create one of those unintended consequences. The flap structure is moved by a force applied to the innermost rib. That means any tendency it has to twist under aerodynamic forces would allow the far end to break free from the stop. My notion of the twisting issue is the motor forces the structure to twist as much as it can before stopping upward movement. This holds the whole structure firmly in place. I don't really know how important this amount of movement is. I suppose it depends on how stiff the flap is in the first place. With its triangular cross section I doubt it would twist much under any conditions. Paul XL grounded At 01:47 PM 6/29/2009, you wrote: >Hi all >If I have up 2 flap stops one at each end of the flap, would that >not stop the flap twist when up?? >Chrisj >


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    Time: 02:40:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Flap up adjustments.
    From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
    Chris, By definition if Juan has a gap of 4mm inboard and 6mm outboard, the flap is twisting. This is not a big problem unless you crank the flap down hard like some have and get 1/6 or 0/6 gap differentials without realizing it. By using two stops one would be compounding the original problem, that being now 6 rear spar rivets on each side that are not really holding the spar to the top skin as well as one would like. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250674#250674


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    Time: 02:48:05 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: What did you do today?
    From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
    Jim, ask away... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250677#250677


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    Time: 03:06:22 PM PST US
    From: Jim Belcher <z601@anemicaardvark.com>
    Subject: Re: What did you do today?
    On Monday 29 June 2009 16:46, Sabrina wrote: > > Jim, ask away... >#2 Lengthening the aircraft 3" so FAA/PMA plugs would fit under the cowl on an O-200A engine. I would think this would require cowl surgery. Can you state what you did in general terms, so I can see if it would be practical in my application? I'm using an O200, and I'm hearing there will be a problem with plug clearance. >#3 My tub of foam forward fuselage/turtle deck mods That's too interesting a description not to ask what it means. > #8 My 4130 head rests which reinforce the rear spar carry through. I'm interested in the topic of reinforcing of both spar carry throughs. As I've said before on this forum, although I don't necessarily question Chris Heintz analysis of the spar carry-throughs, they don't visually look all that robust. If I weren't so lazy, I suppose I'd do my own analysis, but since I am old and lazy, I think it's worth looking at what others have done. Further, I see a need for a head rest (personal preference). If there is a way to accomplish both these goals at one time, it is of interest. Thanks for any details you can provide. ============================================ Do not archive. ============================================ Jim B Belcher BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science A&P/IA Retired aerospace technical manager ============================================


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    Time: 03:09:26 PM PST US
    From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Flap up adjustments.
    sounds good, good job. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com> >Sent: Jun 29, 2009 3:17 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flap up adjustments. > > >Juan, I think you missed the point. > >99% of my reason for moving the gap stop was to avoid having three key rivets subject to the nylo. > >Just like one of my canopy mods, one can't bump a single release during a flight and have it come loose on you. > >The only time my canopy has opened is when the PIC opens it, and even when they do, it does not pop up in flight due to the winglets and interrupter. > >These are not mods just to make someone feel safer, they are safer. > >Not to say my idea is the right idea, just an idea... Moving the flap stop to RR#6 might work as well. Less twist than at RR#7 but you avoid creating a weak link in the rear spar at a critical point. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250654#250654 > >


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    Time: 03:57:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: What did you do today?
    From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
    The factory cowl is more than long enough to use a HCM 3" prop spacer. (1972 Cessna 150L) The MISO liked my idea so much, they raised my mod with AMD. We will go after one at a time so we don't get too many flames going at once. Remember, what I listed as a single mod might have dozens of changes. For example, above, I also made fairings for the exhaust tips, I closed the factory oil door hole, cut my own, and added two air intakes upfront to cool the exhausts/heat muffs. I did not like how the sides of the upper cowl did not want to meet the lower cowl so I cut groves inside, forced them straight and layed up glass inside. I also added glass reinforcement to the aft edge where it mounts to the fuselage. Remember to add a small drain hole in bottom cowl just under the air intake, it has a tendancy to hold water/ice. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250682#250682


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    Time: 04:35:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: What did you do today?
    From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
    Jeff, Congrats from a fellow Virginia builder. On Sunday I drilled some holes in my wings. I also made my LRI probe. Dan [quote="jeffrey_davidson(at)earth"]After nearly 15 years of education and recreation, N601T is now an actual airplane! I received my Airworthiness Certificate on Friday. I was lucky enough to have a FSDO here in the Northern Virginia area willing to do the Inspection. So your taxes paid for my inspection! Thank you! Some details: CH601-HD with various XL upgrades including the front hinged canopy and firewall supports. Jabiru 3300A with solid lifters and the JabiruUSA firewall forward package. Leading edge tanks only fuel system. Top front fuselage skin is removable with nut plates and screws. Dual throttles and Y center stick. Dynon EMS and EFIS (flip-flopable). Garmin 327 XPDR and SL40 COM radios. Garmin 496 GPSMAP installed in the panel. PS Engineering 4000 intercom. Oregon Aero seats covered locally with embroidered ZAC logo w/permission. Sans paint so far. I started to list all the people from the list that helped along the way from George Pinneno and the two Mikes to Fred Hulen and Jeff Small, but the list was way too many names. My technical counselors have been: Chuck Shedd, Rob Brooks, Ralph Hoover, and Dick Koehler (yes, that Richard Koehler). Dick is my Flight Advisor too. Various others from the Warrenton airport (HWY) in Midland Virginia have been directly involved too. I received flight instruction from Jason Long in a 601XL and from Younis Forsyth in a 650. Thanks to all . Jeff Davidson > [b] -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250684#250684


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    Time: 05:43:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Grove 5" wheel hub caps
    From: "Darryl Legg" <dlegg@tpg.com.au>
    G'day all, I have been searching for hub caps for my 5" grove wheels, but unable to find any. They only seem to make them for the 6" wheels. Has anyone found some suitable that bolt straight on to the 3 bolt pattern? Cheers Darryl. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250690#250690


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    Time: 06:21:23 PM PST US
    From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Texas Tales
    Kevin, Texas should know that if it weren't for Tennessee Boys they'd all be from Texico and be eaten rice & beans 3 times at day ! It ought to be a law that every Texican buys the first beer for any Tennesseeian. Sounds good anyway. Another Damned Tennesseian dated 6/29/2009 3:26:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, KEVINBONDS@comcast.net writes: Did you guys know that the toothbrush was invented in Texas? . . . Anywhere else and it would be called the teethbrush. ;-) >From a Tennessee boy. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: jaybannist@cs.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:44:47 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Texas Tales In Texas, we never ask a stranger where he is from. If he is from Texas, he will let you know. If he is not, we don't want to embarrass him. Jay Do not archive ____________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at _http://www.cs.com_ (http://www.cs.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005)


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    Time: 07:12:45 PM PST US
    From: "wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
    Subject: Re: Texas Tales
    How right you are .Also heard that if the Alamo had a back door there would be no Texas. Wade Jones South East Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Texas Tales Kevin, Texas should know that if it weren't for Tennessee Boys they'd all be from Texico and be eaten rice & beans 3 times at day ! It ought to be a law that every Texican buys the first beer for any Tennesseeian. Sounds good anyway. Another Damned Tennesseian dated 6/29/2009 3:26:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, KEVINBONDS@comcast.net writes: Did you guys know that the toothbrush was invented in Texas? . . . Anywhere else and it would be called the teethbrush. ;-) From a Tennessee boy. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: jaybannist@cs.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:44:47 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Texas Tales In Texas, we never ask a stranger where he is from. If he is from Texas, he will let you know. If he is not, we don't want to embarrass him. Jay Do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill.




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