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1. 06:12 AM - Re: FIRST FLIGHT (n801bh@netzero.com)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: FIRST FLIGHT (Gig Giacona)
3. 06:15 AM - Aircraft weights and heavy left wing. (Gig Giacona)
4. 06:17 AM - Re: Fire wall paint. (Gig Giacona)
5. 06:25 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
6. 06:40 AM - FIRST FLIGHT (Jeff Davidson)
7. 06:42 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 07/05/09 ()
8. 06:43 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 07/05/09 ()
9. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: FIRST FLIGHT (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
10. 07:24 AM - Re: FIRST FLIGHT (ronlee)
11. 08:11 AM - Re: FIRST FLIGHT (kmccune)
12. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: Fire wall paint. (Dave Austin)
13. 08:52 AM - Left wing low (Bill Naumuk)
14. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: FIRST FLIGHT (Ashley)
15. 10:38 AM - Re: Left wing low (Leo Gates)
16. 11:19 AM - Re: Left wing low (Juan Vega)
17. 12:11 PM - QB wing kit plus for a CH650 or 601XL (cookwithgas)
18. 12:14 PM - Re: Left wing low (Gig Giacona)
19. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Left wing low (Jay Maynard)
20. 12:26 PM - Re: Fire wall paint. (Bryan Martin)
21. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: FIRST FLIGHT (Bryan Martin)
22. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Left wing low (Jim Belcher)
23. 01:19 PM - Re: Left wing low (Bill Naumuk)
24. 01:35 PM - Re: Left wing low (Mitch Hodges)
25. 02:36 PM - Re: Left wing low (Leo Gates)
26. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: Left wing low (wade jones)
27. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Left wing low (Jay Maynard)
28. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: Left wing low (Jim Belcher)
29. 05:52 PM - Re: Flight Report 7/2/2009 (Edward Moody II)
30. 06:43 PM - Re: Flight Report 7/2/2009 (Juan Vega)
31. 06:43 PM - Re: Left wing low (Juan Vega)
32. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: Left wing low (Dave Austin)
33. 08:08 PM - Re: FIRST FLIGHT (GLJSOJ1)
34. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: Left wing low (Paul Mulwitz)
35. 09:49 PM - Re: Re: Left wing low (Bill Naumuk)
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| Subject: | Re: FIRST FLIGHT |
Congrats to you for another Zenith in the air. !!!!!!!!!!!!
As for your issues, Is the prop adjustable?? is so a very easy fix. Wh
at kind of engine are you using? Heavy left wing is heard all the time.
How was your corner weights when you did you weight and balance?
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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From: "GLJSOJ1" <gljno10@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Zenith-List: FIRST FLIGHT
Hi everyone.
Made my first flight today at KCPK just before lunch. I just finished m
y
BFR yesterday after not flying for almost two years. I have several iss
ues to resolve, but most of these should be minor. I lifted off at 60KI
AS and SLOWLY climbed out. Top speed was 105 KIAS.
The issues are prop is pitched too steep, so climb was poor.
Overheating of engine
Very heavy left wing.
If anybody has information on what was done to correct that heavy left w
ing I am all ears.
I'll work on the the cooling issues first as they are the simplest to fi
x and I hope to get some suggestions for the wing issues. First thing I
am going to look at is the aileron rigging.
Thanks to all that gave me advise these past year or so.
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601XL N676L reserved
ALMOST DONE
CHESAPEAKE VA
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| Subject: | Re: FIRST FLIGHT |
GLJSOJ1 wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
> Made my first flight today at KCPK just before lunch.
Congratulations.
I have a question in regards to heavy left wing. When you weighed the plane what
were the weights at each wheel?
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Aircraft weights and heavy left wing. |
For those of you flying.
What were your weights on each wheel and did you have a heavy left wing?
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Fire wall paint. |
With the exception of some zinc chromate where metal meets metal not finish at
all for the firewall. This as on the advice of an A&P. He also said if I just
couldn't live without it use white paint.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder |
Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT
www.mykitairplane.com <blocked::http://www.mykitairplane.com/>
Click on the Chat Room link on the page.
Check out my new "Zenith Logo" Data Plate, really cool!
George
Do Not Archive
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Congratulations Glenn! You are off the ground and flying. What a great accomplishment.
I have my Airworthiness Certificate now and I'm right behind you up
here in Warrenton, VA. The Mid-Atlantic area is Zenith country! It was great
meeting you at Suffolk. I'm working on the Winchester Zenith Gathering and
will announce it soon.
Jeff Davidson
do not archive
Time: 06:42:25 PM PST US
Subject: Zenith-List: FIRST FLIGHT
From: "GLJSOJ1" <gljno10@HOTMAIL.COM>
Hi everyone.
Made my first flight today at KCPK just before lunch. I just finished my
BFR yesterday after not flying for almost two years. I have several issues to
resolve, but most of these should be minor. I lifted off at 60KIAS and SLOWLY
climbed out. Top speed was 105 KIAS.
The issues are prop is pitched too steep, so climb was poor.
Overheating of engine
Very heavy left wing.
If anybody has information on what was done to correct that heavy left wing I am
all ears.
I'll work on the the cooling issues first as they are the simplest to fix and I
hope to get some suggestions for the wing issues. First thing I am going to
look at is the aileron rigging.
Thanks to all that gave me advise these past year or so.
--------
601XL N676L reserved
ALMOST DONE
CHESAPEAKE VA
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 07/05/09 |
What an incredible experience for you as a father and your daughter as a
pilot! You're building memories that will last a lot longer than we do...
Scott Thatcher
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> 1. 01:57 AM - Re: Re: Flight Report 7/2/2009 (Iberplanes IGL)
> 2. 06:47 AM - Re: What did you do today? (skyriderekm)
> 3. 07:12 AM - Flying Story (cookwithgas)
> 4. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: Flight Report 7/2/2009 (Bill Pagan)
> 5. 08:45 AM - Re: Flying Story (Rick Lindstrom)
> 6. 11:18 AM - Chat Reminder For Digesters (George Race)
> 7. 06:42 PM - FIRST FLIGHT (GLJSOJ1)
> 8. 06:56 PM - Re: FIRST FLIGHT (leinad)
> 9. 11:52 PM - Fire wall paint. (K Dilks)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:57:02 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Flight Report 7/2/2009
> From: Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes@gmail.com>
>
> same here. Now my firewall is done, starting the fuselage, forming what it
> is supposed to be a plane, gives me inspiration to finish by the end of
> the
> year. Perhaps I=B4m too optimistic...
>
> bye
>
>
> Alberto Martin
> www.iberplanes.es
> Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> Zodiac 601 XL Builder
> Serial: 6-7011
>
> Tail Kit: Finished
> Wings: Not Started
> Fuselage: @ home
> Engine: Jabiru 3300
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:47:23 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What did you do today?
> From: "skyriderekm" <skyriderekm@yahoo.com>
>
>
> So very glad to see the list back to what it was before - a lot of fun,
> camaraderie,
> coupled along with tons of help and information.
>
> I took a hiatus from my CH650 for awhile but decided if I was to ever
> finish this
> airplane in MY LIFETIME, I was going to have to be working on it daily!!
> Turn
> on the lights! Warm up the compressor! Oil the drill and rivet puller!
> Stand clear! Progress is being made here once again! :)
>
> Tailwinds and blue skies to everyone!
>
> Larry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251573#251573
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:12:03 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Flying Story
> From: "cookwithgas" <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM>
>
>
> I decided not to fly on July 4th. We have my sister's boys at the house
> and we
> decided to stay home all day, then go to a Texas Rangers evening Baseball
> game
> and watch the fireworks there.
>
> At about noon the first gliders were being towed over the house and I was
> watching
> while everyone was splashing around in the pool. I yelled at the kids and
> we all stopped and watched the tow plane dive to the left and a red glider
> soar
> off to the right climbing.
>
> About two hours later, the red glider came across the fields really low,
> bobbed
> over a farm house and landed in the cow pasture behind us. Huh? I
> watched for
> a minute and noticed the guy walking around the airplane checking for
> damage
> so I jumped on my Mtn. bike and went to see if he was OK. He was. I
> asked
> him if he needed a ride to the glider port and he asked how far it was. I
> then
> realized he didn't know where he was. I grabbed up all the kids and we
> drove
> him back to the soaring club which is about 1 mile from our house.
>
> After getting him to his truck and trailer, he followed me back to the
> field and
> cut the chain on a gate, then drove the trailer to his airplane and took
> it
> apart in 5 minutes and loaded it up. He met my 15-year-old daughter and
> found
> out she was studying to be a pilot and asked her if she wanted a glider
> lesson.
> We told him she had been wanting to do that after seeing all the gliders
> being
> launched over the house. He set up a lesson and in a few minutes an
> instructor
> and tow pilot came out and briefed her, then put her in a glider with a
> parachute and some ballast (she didn't weigh enough). Off they went into
> the
> air.
>
> She logged .7 hours of glider instruction in her new logbook. She joined
> the Youth
> Program at the club where she can work at the airport and make $10/hour in
> glider dollars which she can then turn in for flight lessons. Several
> kids
> have solo'd and several others have received their glider certifications
> this
> way and she is excited about doing the same. Since the glider port is
> close to
> the house, she can ride her bike over there any time she wants to earn
> some
> glider dollars or take a lesson. They are rebuilding one of their four
> tow planes
> and she can get credit by helping the guys work on the tow plane. They
> are
> doing first class work over there too.
>
> Here is a short video - it ends with the fireworks finale at Ranger
> Stadium last
> night:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylqs9mvlZFQ
>
> I'm attaching a picture of the tow plane in restoration with my nephew
> Jacob in
> the picture.
>
>
> Scott Laughlin
> 601XL/Corvair
> 150+ hours and climbing
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251576#251576
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tow_plane_123.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:28:08 AM PST US
> From: Bill Pagan <pdn8r@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Flight Report 7/2/2009
>
> Optimism is as optimism does Alberto.- My planned finishing date is July
> 1, 2009 :o)- Oh well.
>
> Bill Pagan
> EAA Tech Counselor #4395
> 601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
>
>
> --- On Sun, 7/5/09, Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Flight Report 7/2/2009
>
>
> same here. Now my firewall is done, starting the fuselage, forming what it
> is supposed to be a plane, gives me inspiration to finish by the end of
> the
> year. Perhaps I=B4m too optimistic...
>
> bye
>
>
> Alberto Martin
> www.iberplanes.es
> Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> Zodiac 601 XL Builder
> Serial: 6-7011
>
> Tail Kit: Finished
> Wings: Not Started
> Fuselage: @ home
> Engine: Jabiru 3300
>
>
> =0A=0A=0A
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:45:09 AM PST US
> From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying Story
>
>
> What a great story, Scott!
>
> I can't think of any better way to honor American exceptionalism than
> partaking
> of our unique freedoms that are so rare in other parts of the world. And
> it looks
> like the flying hook has been set with your daughter, and we can take
> heart
> that another member of her generation will do her part in perserving our
> flying
> freedom by exercising it!
>
> Top it off the day with baseball and fireworks, and I really can't think
> of a better
> 4th.
>
> You didn't mention hot dogs and beer, but I'll assume they were included
> somewhere....
>
> Thanks for a real day brightener.
>
> Rick Lindstrom
> Zenvair N42KP
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: cookwithgas <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>Sent: Jul 5, 2009 7:10 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Flying Story
>>
>>
>>I decided not to fly on July 4th. We have my sister's boys at the house
>>and we
> decided to stay home all day, then go to a Texas Rangers evening Baseball
> game
> and watch the fireworks there.
>>
>>At about noon the first gliders were being towed over the house and I was
>>watching
> while everyone was splashing around in the pool. I yelled at the kids and
> we all stopped and watched the tow plane dive to the left and a red glider
> soar
> off to the right climbing.
>>
>>About two hours later, the red glider came across the fields really low,
>>bobbed
> over a farm house and landed in the cow pasture behind us. Huh? I
> watched
> for a minute and noticed the guy walking around the airplane checking for
> damage
> so I jumped on my Mtn. bike and went to see if he was OK. He was. I
> asked
> him if he needed a ride to the glider port and he asked how far it was. I
> then
> realized he didn't know where he was. I grabbed up all the kids and we
> drove
> him back to the soaring club which is about 1 mile from our house.
>>
>>After getting him to his truck and trailer, he followed me back to the
>>field and
> cut the chain on a gate, then drove the trailer to his airplane and took
> it
> apart in 5 minutes and loaded it up. He met my 15-year-old daughter and
> found
> out she was studying to be a pilot and asked her if she wanted a glider
> lesson.
> We told him she had been wanting to do that after seeing all the gliders
> being launched over the house. He set up a lesson and in a few minutes an
> instructor
> and tow pilot came out and briefed her, then put her in a glider with
> a parachute and some ballast (she didn't weigh enough). Off they went
> into the
> air.
>>
>>She logged .7 hours of glider instruction in her new logbook. She joined
>>the
> Youth Program at the club where she can work at the airport and make
> $10/hour
> in glider dollars which she can then turn in for flight lessons. Several
> kids
> have solo'd and several others have received their glider certifications
> this
> way and she is excited about doing the same. Since the glider port is
> close
> to the house, she can ride her bike over there any time she wants to earn
> some
> glider dollars or take a lesson. They are rebuilding one of their four
> tow planes
> and she can get credit by helping the guys work on the tow plane. They
> are doing first class work over there too.
>>
>>Here is a short video - it ends with the fireworks finale at Ranger
>>Stadium last
> night:
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylqs9mvlZFQ
>>
>>I'm attaching a picture of the tow plane in restoration with my nephew
>>Jacob in
> the picture.
>>
>>
>>Scott Laughlin
>>601XL/Corvair
>>150+ hours and climbing
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251576#251576
>>
>>
>>Attachments:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com//files/tow_plane_123.jpg
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:18:09 AM PST US
> From: "George Race" <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Reminder For Digesters
>
> Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT
>
> www.mykitairplane.com <blocked::http://www.mykitairplane.com/>
>
>
> Click on the Chat Room link on the page.
>
> Check out my new "Zenith Logo" Data Plate, really cool!
>
> George
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:42:25 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: FIRST FLIGHT
> From: "GLJSOJ1" <gljno10@HOTMAIL.COM>
>
>
> Hi everyone.
>
> Made my first flight today at KCPK just before lunch. I just finished my
> BFR yesterday after not flying for almost two years. I have several
> issues to
> resolve, but most of these should be minor. I lifted off at 60KIAS and
> SLOWLY
> climbed out. Top speed was 105 KIAS.
>
> The issues are prop is pitched too steep, so climb was poor.
> Overheating of engine
> Very heavy left wing.
>
> If anybody has information on what was done to correct that heavy left
> wing I am
> all ears.
>
> I'll work on the the cooling issues first as they are the simplest to fix
> and I
> hope to get some suggestions for the wing issues. First thing I am going
> to
> look at is the aileron rigging.
>
> Thanks to all that gave me advise these past year or so.
>
> --------
> 601XL N676L reserved
> ALMOST DONE
> CHESAPEAKE VA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251663#251663
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:56:07 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: FIRST FLIGHT
> From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
>
>
> Glenn,
> I want to offer you my congratulations. You built and flew your own
> plane! I
> hope to join you soon.. Right now I'm rebuilding a wing I messed up when
> drilling
> the skins. Argh!
> Dan
>
>
> GLJSOJ1 wrote:
>> Hi everyone.
>>
>> Made my first flight today at KCPK just before lunch. I just finished my
>> BFR yesterday after not flying for almost two years. I have several
>> issues to
> resolve, but most of these should be minor. I lifted off at 60KIAS and
> SLOWLY
> climbed out. Top speed was 105 KIAS.
>>
>> The issues are prop is pitched too steep, so climb was poor.
>> Overheating of engine
>> Very heavy left wing.
>>
>> If anybody has information on what was done to correct that heavy left
>> wing I
> am all ears.
>>
>> I'll work on the the cooling issues first as they are the simplest to fix
>> and
> I hope to get some suggestions for the wing issues. First thing I am
> going to
> look at is the aileron rigging.
>>
>> Thanks to all that gave me advise these past year or so.
>
>
> --------
> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251666#251666
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:52:46 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Fire wall paint.
> From: "K Dilks" <kevin.dilks@liwest.at>
>
>
> OK , this last weekend was spent drilling etc the fire wall, besides the
> normal
> echt primer what do people paint the engine side of the fire wall?
>
> Really getting on due to short working week ............!
> Kev
>
> --------
> Austria .............
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251692#251692
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 07/05/09 |
I am really sorry I sent the whole darn list back! I thought I was on the
individual list and then realized I was on the digest. I'm just glad it
didn't have 40+ messages on it.
Reminds me of the time I slammed the door to the car just as I realized I
left the keys in the ignition...
Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
601XL with WW Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL, http://placestofly.com, http://eaa203.com,
http://mykitlog.com/sdthatcher
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| Subject: | Re: FIRST FLIGHT |
If the weight on each wheels are about the same, try adjusting the left
aileron down a light (1/2 to 1 degree). Jerry of GA DO NOT ARCHIVE
In a message dated 7/6/2009 8:17:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wrgiacona@gmail.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
GLJSOJ1 wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
> Made my first flight today at KCPK just before lunch.
Congratulations.
I have a question in regards to heavy left wing. When you weighed the
plane what were the weights at each wheel?
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: FIRST FLIGHT |
You need to put a trim tab on the right aileron angled down for a heavy left wing.
This will take the pressure off the stick as it will be doing the same thing
as you are doing manually to keep the left wing up. The trim tab always has
to be pointing down and on an aileron. The air under the wing is undisturbed,
even in a stall. If it is pointing up, it loses its effectiveness as the air
over the top of the wing starts to burble, such as in a near stall. Several have
adjusted the ailerons thinking that will work, but all it does is put the
stick off center in flight.
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: FIRST FLIGHT |
Congrats!
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: Fire wall paint. |
You really don't want paint on it, not even the etch-primer. paint usually
burns and gives off toxic gases if very hot!
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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All-
Gig's question about the relative weights is the next logical step
in trying to figure out the cause of the left wing low syndrome. P
factor can be eliminated because LWLS is present in projects equipped
with both right and left prop rotation engines. Whether it works or not,
disrupting the airflow with either movable aileron trim or fixed tabs
cuts down on the overall efficiency. Is weight distribution really the
culprit or is it something else?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS N601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: FIRST FLIGHT |
Ron,
The air over the aileron is undistrubed even in the stall due to the wing
twist.
This link is to a video I made in my 601XL. Notice at 22 seconds the wing
root trailing edge is showing distrubance.
At 36 seconds, I was indicating approx 30 KIAS and fully stalled. The
airflow over the ailerons is not distrubed.
http://www.gvtc.com/~ashleyw/
The trim tab should work in either direction.
Floyd Wilkes
601XL O-200
----- Original Message -----
From: "ronlee" <rlee468@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: FIRST FLIGHT
>
> You need to put a trim tab on the right aileron angled down for a heavy
> left wing. This will take the pressure off the stick as it will be doing
> the same thing as you are doing manually to keep the left wing up. The
> trim tab always has to be pointing down and on an aileron. The air under
> the wing is undisturbed, even in a stall. If it is pointing up, it loses
> its effectiveness as the air over the top of the wing starts to burble,
> such as in a near stall. Several have adjusted the ailerons thinking that
> will work, but all it does is put the stick off center in flight.
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, Arizona
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251740#251740
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
All-
Mine is a HDS, however, I had a "heavy left wing." During Phase 1
testing I loaded 175 pounds of weight (sand) in the right seat to
balance my 175 pounds. With both wing tanks 1/4 full of fuel, there was
NO heavy left wing. Landing/taxi lights are in the left wing.
I have a matronics electric trim tab on the right aileron. I find I
adjust trim about every 10 minutes as well as switching fuel tanks
periodically.
I have a Y stick and fly with my arm resting on the arm rest and two
fingers on the stick.
Leo Gates
N601Z
Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> Gig's question about the relative weights is the next logical step
> in trying to figure out the cause of the left wing low syndrome. P
> factor can be eliminated because LWLS is present in projects equipped
> with both right and left prop rotation engines. Whether it works or
> not, disrupting the airflow with either movable aileron trim or fixed
> tabs cuts down on the overall efficiency. Is weight distribution
> really the culprit or is it something else?
>
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS N601MG/Corvair 95%
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
All of you are missing the facts. Dont shoot the messenger, Ask any aeronautical
Engineer, this plane is light wing load, thus, with weight shifted about it
will tend to fly in that direction.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Leo Gates <leo@zuehlfield.com>
>Sent: Jul 6, 2009 1:38 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Left wing low
>
>
>All-
>
>Mine is a HDS, however, I had a "heavy left wing." During Phase 1
>testing I loaded 175 pounds of weight (sand) in the right seat to
>balance my 175 pounds. With both wing tanks 1/4 full of fuel, there was
>NO heavy left wing. Landing/taxi lights are in the left wing.
>
>I have a matronics electric trim tab on the right aileron. I find I
>adjust trim about every 10 minutes as well as switching fuel tanks
>periodically.
>
>I have a Y stick and fly with my arm resting on the arm rest and two
>fingers on the stick.
>
>Leo Gates
>N601Z
>
>Bill Naumuk wrote:
>> All-
>> Gig's question about the relative weights is the next logical step
>> in trying to figure out the cause of the left wing low syndrome. P
>> factor can be eliminated because LWLS is present in projects equipped
>> with both right and left prop rotation engines. Whether it works or
>> not, disrupting the airflow with either movable aileron trim or fixed
>> tabs cuts down on the overall efficiency. Is weight distribution
>> really the culprit or is it something else?
>>
>> Bill Naumuk
>> Townville, Pa.
>> HDS N601MG/Corvair 95%
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
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| Subject: | QB wing kit plus for a CH650 or 601XL |
I have come across a set of CH650 or 601XL wings and center section that have the
fuel tanks with senders and gauges, ailerons, flaps, aileron trim tab kit,
strobes, Nav. lights, landing lights, and pitot.
They are assembled and ready to be installed. Price is $4,500. They are located
in Texas and can be trailered home by a lucky person who wants to accelerate
their project by light years.
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
Juan Vega Jr wrote:
> All of you are missing the facts. Dont shoot the messenger, Ask any aeronautical
Engineer, this plane is light wing load, thus, with weight shifted about
it will tend to fly in that direction.
>
> Juan
>
> --
Hence my question to see if most folks left wing is heavy when empty. My thought
is, are the people with real heavy left wings heavy on the left side before
they even get in.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 12:14:18PM -0700, Gig Giacona wrote:
> Hence my question to see if most folks left wing is heavy when empty. My
> thought is, are the people with real heavy left wings heavy on the left
> side before they even get in.
My weights are 292 nose, 269 right main, 289 left main. My left wing is
definitely heavy when I'm solo in the left seat, but not whe I'm solo in the
right seat.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, CFI-SP http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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| Subject: | Re: Fire wall paint. |
Since the firewall is galvanized steel, there's no need to paint it.
With no paint, it will be slightly lighter and there will be one less
thing that can burn. Also, the plain zinc coating will help reflect
engine heat away from the cabin.
On Jul 6, 2009, at 2:51 AM, K Dilks wrote:
>
> OK , this last weekend was spent drilling etc the fire wall, besides
> the normal echt primer what do people paint the engine side of the
> fire wall?
>
> Really getting on due to short working week ............!
> Kev
>
> --------
> Austria .............
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: FIRST FLIGHT |
The only thing this will accomplish is to offset the neutral position
of the stick to the left. The only way to correct a heavy left wing is
to apply a counteracting force; either with stick force, a trim tab,
ballast weight or by adjusting the rigging of the wings.
On Jul 6, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Jeyoung65@aol.com wrote:
> If the weight on each wheels are about the same, try adjusting the
> left aileron down a light (1/2 to 1 degree). Jerry of GA DO NOT
> ARCHIVE
>
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
On Monday 06 July 2009 14:14, Gig Giacona wrote:
<snip>
>
> Hence my question to see if most folks left wing is heavy when empty. My
> thought is, are the people with real heavy left wings heavy on the left
> side before they even get in.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Perhaps another fractor may be the weight of the pilot. Although the question
probably wouldn't be well received, it might be interesting to know pilot
weight for those aircraft that fly with the port wing low.
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
Leo-
So in other words, lack of a copilot makes a difference. What tank
config? Also, Scott L.- you fly solo/copilot frequently. What handling
differences have you noticed?
Angle of arm is a consideration, but who knows, you might be able to
compensate with multiple battery locations depending on cockpit load. THIS
IS PURE SPECULATION!!!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo Gates" <leo@zuehlfield.com>
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Left wing low
>
> All-
>
> Mine is a HDS, however, I had a "heavy left wing." During Phase 1 testing
> I loaded 175 pounds of weight (sand) in the right seat to balance my 175
> pounds. With both wing tanks 1/4 full of fuel, there was NO heavy left
> wing. Landing/taxi lights are in the left wing.
>
> I have a matronics electric trim tab on the right aileron. I find I
> adjust trim about every 10 minutes as well as switching fuel tanks
> periodically.
>
> I have a Y stick and fly with my arm resting on the arm rest and two
> fingers on the stick.
>
> Leo Gates
> N601Z
>
> Bill Naumuk wrote:
>> All-
>> Gig's question about the relative weights is the next logical step in
>> trying to figure out the cause of the left wing low syndrome. P factor
>> can be eliminated because LWLS is present in projects equipped with both
>> right and left prop rotation engines. Whether it works or not, disrupting
>> the airflow with either movable aileron trim or fixed tabs cuts down on
>> the overall efficiency. Is weight distribution really the culprit or is
>> it something else?
>> Bill Naumuk
>> Townville, Pa.
>> HDS N601MG/Corvair 95%
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
naumuk(at)windstream.net wrote:
> ...you might be able to
> compensate with multiple battery locations depending on cockpit load. ---
Reminds me of the design of the original Rotorway Exec (not sure about the current,
much evolved version). They had a weight that slipped either over the right
skid when flying solo, or on an attachment hanging off the back of the cockpit
centerline when flying with a passenger to compensate.
Very simple and took just a few seconds to move as part of the checklist.
--------
Mitch Hodges
N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
Builder Log at http://www.hodges.aero
Wings Under Perpetual Construction
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
Bill-
Ten Gal. leading edge fuel tanks only. Landing/taxi lights and pitot
static tubes on the left wing. Also, all my gyro instruments (3) are on
the left side of the instrument panel. Empty: 316 lb left, 302 lb
right, 56 lb tail. Hingless ailerons so I suppose a bit more trim tab
deflection than hinged version. I see 25 degrees up and down max. on
the trim tab. Does not seem to effect the TAS. That is not noticeably,
I'm sure it does to some small extent.
Leo Gates
N601Z CH601HDS TDO
Bill Naumuk wrote:
>
> Leo-
> So in other words, lack of a copilot makes a difference. What tank
> config? Also, Scott L.- you fly solo/copilot frequently. What handling
> differences have you noticed?
> Angle of arm is a consideration, but who knows, you might be able
> to compensate with multiple battery locations depending on cockpit
> load. THIS IS PURE SPECULATION!!!
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo Gates" <leo@zuehlfield.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Left wing low
>
>
>>
>> All-
>>
>> Mine is a HDS, however, I had a "heavy left wing." During Phase 1
>> testing I loaded 175 pounds of weight (sand) in the right seat to
>> balance my 175 pounds. With both wing tanks 1/4 full of fuel, there
>> was NO heavy left wing. Landing/taxi lights are in the left wing.
>>
>> I have a matronics electric trim tab on the right aileron. I find I
>> adjust trim about every 10 minutes as well as switching fuel tanks
>> periodically.
>>
>> I have a Y stick and fly with my arm resting on the arm rest and two
>> fingers on the stick.
>>
>> Leo Gates
>> N601Z
>>
>> Bill Naumuk wrote:
>>> All-
>>> Gig's question about the relative weights is the next logical
>>> step in trying to figure out the cause of the left wing low
>>> syndrome. P factor can be eliminated because LWLS is present in
>>> projects equipped with both right and left prop rotation engines.
>>> Whether it works or not, disrupting the airflow with either movable
>>> aileron trim or fixed tabs cuts down on the overall efficiency. Is
>>> weight distribution really the culprit or is it something else?
>>> Bill Naumuk
>>> Townville, Pa.
>>> HDS N601MG/Corvair 95%
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
With Jay's weight at 850# ,does my target weight of 750# with a big engine
seem unattainable .I believe in keeping an aircraft as light as possible
.Build the plane close to the plans and if you plan to add any extras parts
,toss the extra parts into the air and if they return to earth they are too
heavy for your plane . IMHO
Wade Jones South East Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Maynard" <jmaynard@conmicro.com>
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Left wing low
>
> On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 12:14:18PM -0700, Gig Giacona wrote:
>> Hence my question to see if most folks left wing is heavy when empty. My
>> thought is, are the people with real heavy left wings heavy on the left
>> side before they even get in.
>
> My weights are 292 nose, 269 right main, 289 left main. My left wing is
> definitely heavy when I'm solo in the left seat, but not whe I'm solo in
> the
> right seat.
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, CFI-SP http://www.conmicro.com
> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
> Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 04:35:09PM -0500, wade jones wrote:
> With Jay's weight at 850# ,does my target weight of 750# with a big engine
> seem unattainable .
I suspct it would be hard. Remember, though, that my airplane is fully
loaded with lots of options, all of which add weight. I don't know how
feasible 750 is, but it's a good goal to aim for, and I'd take anything
under 800 (remember, even with long range tanks, that would give you two FAA
standard people and full tanks).
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, CFI-SP http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
On Monday 06 July 2009 16:54, Jay Maynard wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 04:35:09PM -0500, wade jones wrote:
> > With Jay's weight at 850# ,does my target weight of 750# with a big
> > engine seem unattainable .
>
> I suspct it would be hard. Remember, though, that my airplane is fully
> loaded with lots of options, all of which add weight. I don't know how
> feasible 750 is, but it's a good goal to aim for, and I'd take anything
> under 800 (remember, even with long range tanks, that would give you two
> FAA standard people and full tanks).
Do you know any FAA standard people? :-)
--
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Retired aerospace technical manager
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Report 7/2/2009 |
I noticed you have a Lowrance 2000C GPS. Have you ever noticed
it not pointing to your destination after a while? Mine will
occasionally lose track of where I am going. When I redo the find
airport function, it will then update and be ok. Is this normal?
Dan Wilde
N948DW
I have a Lowrance 2000C and mine doesn't do that.
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Report 7/2/2009 |
ed,
move the antenna. i do not have that issue.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Moody II <dredmoody@cox.net>
>Sent: Jul 6, 2009 8:46 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flight Report 7/2/2009
>
>I noticed you have a Lowrance 2000C GPS. Have you ever noticed
> it not pointing to your destination after a while? Mine will
> occasionally lose track of where I am going. When I redo the find
> airport function, it will then update and be ok. Is this normal?
>
> Dan Wilde
> N948DW
>
>I have a Lowrance 2000C and mine doesn't do that.
>
>Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
simple siolutions. when flying sol, fly with right wing full or burn fuerl in
left tank first,
option two i have a tool bag, 20 lbs , in the front right foot well, when flying
solo.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net>
>Sent: Jul 6, 2009 4:14 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Left wing low
>
>
>Leo-
> So in other words, lack of a copilot makes a difference. What tank
>config? Also, Scott L.- you fly solo/copilot frequently. What handling
>differences have you noticed?
> Angle of arm is a consideration, but who knows, you might be able to
>compensate with multiple battery locations depending on cockpit load. THIS
>IS PURE SPECULATION!!!
>
> Bill
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Leo Gates" <leo@zuehlfield.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:38 PM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Left wing low
>
>
>>
>> All-
>>
>> Mine is a HDS, however, I had a "heavy left wing." During Phase 1 testing
>> I loaded 175 pounds of weight (sand) in the right seat to balance my 175
>> pounds. With both wing tanks 1/4 full of fuel, there was NO heavy left
>> wing. Landing/taxi lights are in the left wing.
>>
>> I have a matronics electric trim tab on the right aileron. I find I
>> adjust trim about every 10 minutes as well as switching fuel tanks
>> periodically.
>>
>> I have a Y stick and fly with my arm resting on the arm rest and two
>> fingers on the stick.
>>
>> Leo Gates
>> N601Z
>>
>> Bill Naumuk wrote:
>>> All-
>>> Gig's question about the relative weights is the next logical step in
>>> trying to figure out the cause of the left wing low syndrome. P factor
>>> can be eliminated because LWLS is present in projects equipped with both
>>> right and left prop rotation engines. Whether it works or not, disrupting
>>> the airflow with either movable aileron trim or fixed tabs cuts down on
>>> the overall efficiency. Is weight distribution really the culprit or is
>>> it something else?
>>> Bill Naumuk
>>> Townville, Pa.
>>> HDS N601MG/Corvair 95%
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
If I balance the a/c with the aileron trim, I can do left and right turns by
shifting my body around. Do I have a heavy left wing?
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: FIRST FLIGHT |
thanks for all the suggestions guys and gals
To answer some questions, I have an O-200 with a Warp drive 3 blade prop It was
set a 13.5 deg and tonight I backed it down to 12 deg. I am still only getting
2,000 static on the run up tonight, however now I can't hold with brakes to
do a run up at 1,700.
Weight and balance. total weight is 818#. the nose is the heaviest by far and
I can't remember the two mains, but I do believe the left wheel was heaver by
about 15#.
I am planning on re visiting the aileron rigging before this weekend and try another
test this weekend pending weather. I also have a EAA meeting tomorrow so
I'll get more info there also.
I'll submit more information as I fly more.
Thanks again
Glenn
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601XL N676L reserved
ALMOST DONE
CHESAPEAKE VA
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
Hi Wade,
I think 750 is a very reachable target empty weight for a CH601XL
depending on which engine you use. My plane weighs about 715 without
paint on the outside and lacking upholstery. It has a complete
Jabiru 3300 installed and a relatively complete electronic instrument
panel. If you use a heavier engine (Lyc/Cont.) Then perhaps 800
pounds might be a minimum target.
Paul
XL grounded
At 02:35 PM 7/6/2009, you wrote:
>With Jay's weight at 850# ,does my target weight of 750# with a big
>engine seem unattainable .I believe in keeping an aircraft as light
>as possible .Build the plane close to the plans and if you plan to
>add any extras parts ,toss the extra parts into the air and if they
>return to earth they are too heavy for your plane . IMHO
>Wade Jones South
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| Subject: | Re: Left wing low |
Dave and all-
From the list responses, it sounds like about 20 pounds in the right or
wrong place makes all the difference. Food for thought.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@primus.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Left wing low
>
> If I balance the a/c with the aileron trim, I can do left and right turns
> by shifting my body around. Do I have a heavy left wing?
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
>
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