---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/12/09: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:41 AM - Re: SECOND FLIGHT (Edward Moody II) 2. 10:12 AM - Chat Room Reminder for "Digesters" (George Race) 3. 10:43 AM - New small form-factor color instrument from MGL (Craig Payne) 4. 11:33 AM - Re: Most recent letter from Chris () 5. 11:37 AM - Re: tight fit tool () 6. 12:03 PM - Trip Report and Airplane for sale (Ron Lendon) 7. 02:10 PM - Re: New small form-factor color instrument from MGL (PatrickW) 8. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: New small form-factor color instrument from MGL (Craig Payne) 9. 02:40 PM - 601XL take-off distance (Bob McArdle) 10. 03:36 PM - Best GPS today (Tommy Walker) 11. 03:46 PM - Re: tight fit tool (additional test + video) (Carlos Sa) 12. 03:56 PM - Re: Best GPS today (Thruster87) 13. 04:01 PM - Re: Best GPS today (Paul Mulwitz) 14. 04:21 PM - Re: Best GPS today (Davcoberly@wmconnect.com) 15. 04:25 PM - Re: tight fit tool (additional test + video) (ihab.awad@gmail.com) 16. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: Best GPS today (Bill Pagan) 17. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: Best GPS today (John Swartout) 18. 05:22 PM - Re: Best GPS today (Tommy Walker) 19. 05:51 PM - Re: tight fit tool (additional test + video) (Carlos Sa) 20. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Best GPS today (Paul Mulwitz) 21. 06:49 PM - Re: Best GPS today (Thruster87) 22. 07:23 PM - First flight of N12GT (Gary Thomas) 23. 07:55 PM - Re: First flight of N12GT (PatrickW) 24. 09:35 PM - Re: 601XL take-off distance (T. Graziano) 25. 11:39 PM - Re: tight fit tool (additional test + video) (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:40 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: SECOND FLIGHT Amazing how little pitch angle produces such great results isn't it? That's a very sesnitive adjustment to get right. Ed ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:09 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Room Reminder for "Digesters" Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT www.mykitairplane.com Click on the Chat Room link on the page. Check out my new "Zenith Logo" Data Plate, really cool! George Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:08 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith-List: New small form-factor color instrument from MGL MGL has preannounced their new XTreme EFIS over on the Yahoo user-to-user group. Working units will be shown at Oshkosh with first deliveries towards the end of the year. I'm pushing for final dimensions so folks can design it into their panels now. Picture attached, more information here: http://www.mglavionics.co.za/XTreme.htm -- Craig ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:49 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Most recent letter from Chris Not to take a stand on the issue, but, before I hang the wings, I'm planning to strip out the cables, and put in pushrods. Not because I must, but BECAUSE I CAN. They're neat, they don't require tensioning, and RV'ers love them. Same reasoning for the BRS,the LRI, and the Dynon goodies. Come to think of it, same reason why I fly at all. Because I can. Paul R. (expecting my crank back from Nitron this week) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Most recent letter from Chris Very interesting Roger. I have not quoted the entire posting just the one sentence, hope you don't mind. I think you might be approaching this from the standpoint that you do not want these aileron counterbalance. If you discard that position and look at it instead as a question of will these balances improve the aircraft, or even a more open perspective of will they hurt it you may come away with different opinion of the posting. We appear to be fairly reassured that flutter is not an issue with cables at proper tension, adding balances is not required. On the other hand they need not be heavy or complex and then flutter mitigation would not require a specific cable tension (although flight control would certainly require some tension). If they are added the ailerons would certainly not flutter even with no tension, controls disconnected (the ultimate slack) flutter would then never be an issue, under any circumstances. Now I regard that as an improvement. I don't think the author was advocating for flight minus controls. If such a mod is approved, it should be optional, but any further attempt to vilify ZBAG simply because of this wording will only serve to further split the Zenith community. Is there anyone here who still believes the XL WILL experience destructive flutter with these cables properly tensioned? That's not COULD, I specifically asked WILL. Further is there anyone here who would object to the existence of an optional mod that would remove COULD from the equation? If the answer to these questions is no, we should surely not be at each others throats over it. If the answer is yes, I'd be surprised, but the attitudes of some list members toward this has already surprised me so no change there! ----- Original Message ----- From: roger lambert To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:48 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Most recent letter from Chris " I have absolutely no doubt that it would be possible to design a 601XL without counterbalances that would be immune to flutter with the controls disconnected." http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:18 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: tight fit tool Hi Carlos. I also got one of their drills, and it also wobbled. Had some misgivings, but in actual practice, it drilled good holes. I'd say, try it out and see how it produces. Three years or so later, I'm still using it. Paul R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: Zenith-List: tight fit tool Hello, all Over the years, I have read a number of favorable comments regarding the tight fit tool (http://www.tightfittools.com/index.html), so I ordered one: http://www.tightfittools.com/tigfitdrilki1.html In testing it, I noticed the drill bit wobbled significantly. I wrote to them and they promptly sent me another tool, no charge (I told them I would send the first tool back, and they told me to keep it...!) The second tool arrived yesterday - same result ! I have written to them again, but they close on Fridays. See this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0TXGFprtlk Have others experienced this problem? Carlos Sa CH601-HD, plans http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:11 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Trip Report and Airplane for sale From: "Ron Lendon" Netheads, I made a trip/vacation down to Nags Head NC to pick up a canopy from Debo Cox for my Zodiac XL. Debo and I started scratch building about the same time fall 2005. Debo is a Park Ranger down at Jockey Ridge and had no metal working background when he started. We watched each others progress over the years and I must say I was quite impressed with what he seemed to be achieving, take a look at his kitlog site http://mykitlog.com/debo and you will begin to understand what I am talking about. Debo made a sweet deal on a Todds Canopy awhile back and he posted it for sale on E-bay. I bought it and looked at the cost of shipping it or just driving down and getting it, it was about the same and I really wanted to see his plane with my own eyes. He has decided to go another way, He now has a Greyhound Bus ground pounder problem (RV only not flight worthy). He is going to be selling his Zenith Zodiac CH 601 XL and I thought you guys might like to know something about the condition it's in. Debo has done very meticulous work, as good as some of my better apprentices. His attention to the details and finish are as good as what comes from Zenith. I even told him it looked better than what factory produced. Whoever buys this plane in it's current state will have a very quick build. Contact Debo directly for details: Debo Cox -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Corvair Engine Prints: http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252675#252675 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:02 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New small form-factor color instrument from MGL From: "PatrickW" Interesting.... Thanks for sharing - I was close to pulling the trigger on one of the new Dynon D6's. I think I'll hold off for a bit now until I find out more about this one. Nice to have another choice. - Pat -------- Patrick XL/650/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252688#252688 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:00 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: New small form-factor color instrument from MGL All this glass panel stuff is a moving target. They are all essentially computers so they are obsolete the day you buy them. I see two approaches: delay your decision as long as possible or just choose one and be content with what you have. Aside from choosing an instrument you are choosing a company. And Dynon and MGL are different. Dynon products evolve more slowly but the docs and software are more stabile. MGLs product line evolves rapidly so the docs can lag. On the other hand MGL's CEO is very active on the Yahoo list and it often happen that you can make a feature request or report a bug and it is fixed in a few days or weeks. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PatrickW Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New small form-factor color instrument from MGL Interesting.... Thanks for sharing - I was close to pulling the trigger on one of the new Dynon D6's. I think I'll hold off for a bit now until I find out more about this one. Nice to have another choice. - Pat -------- Patrick XL/650/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252688#252688 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:38 PM PST US From: "Bob McArdle" Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL take-off distance Does anyone have an approx. lift-off distance and distance to clear 50' for a 601XL with Jab 3300 and wood prop? This is for a grass field. Thanks, Bob ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:14 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Best GPS today From: "Tommy Walker" Honest, I'm not trying to star an argument ( I would head over to the 601 list if I wanted to do that. LOL). Does anyone have an opinion about the Lowrance 2000C? Is there anything better out there? I'm about to buy one and seek the advice of builders here. I'm looking for the most bang for the buck. Thanks, Tommy Walker in Alabama N8701T - Reserved -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252700#252700 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: tight fit tool (additional test + video) From: Carlos Sa Thanks all for the replies. Paul, does your shake as bad as this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_R6gwzkulI Carlos 2009/7/12 > Hi Carlos. I also got one of their drills, and it also wobbled. Had some > misgivings, but in actual practice, it drilled good holes. I'd say, try it > out and see how it produces. Three years or so later, I'm still using it. > > Paul R. > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:31 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Best GPS today From: "Thruster87" 7" GPS bought on ebay for $150.00 NEW [operating system windows CE] and installed Oziexplorer CE then load your VNC, WAC, VTC maps into it. Beautiful Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252705#252705 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:25 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best GPS today Hi Tommy, It all depends on just which bang you want. I have a Lowrance Airmap 500 and a Garmin 296. Both work well, but they offer different features and display size and color. I don't know if you can buy an Airmap 500 any more - small monochrome screen and just basic navigation functions with alkaline batteries. It does include knowledge of all airports and Vor's etc. It works just fine. The Garmin 296 includes color screen that is larger than the 500, terrain avoidance features and probably some other stuff. It costs twice as much and works just fine too. Both the Lowrance and Garmin units will feed your autopilot and/or Dynon HSI. The new Honeywell lacks this feature. If you want to use your GPS for IFR you have a whole different set of issues to consider. For sure it must be installed rather than portable. I'm not sure if installing a portable and hooking it up to your Dynon HSI counts or not. I think the big features to consider are terrain, weather, and color screen. Also, different units give more or less information about airports. Some include taxiway drawings and pattern altitudes while others just give the radio frequencies. The exact features probably will tell you more than the choice of which major manufacturer you want. The good news: You will probably like which ever unit you choose. That is, after you spend the time and energy to really figure out how to use it. I recommend you play with the buttons in your car and learn the ropes before trying to use it flying. In the air you just don't have time to play around finding the right button for the task at hand unless you have a copilot. Paul XL grounded At 03:34 PM 7/12/2009, you wrote: >Does anyone have an opinion about the Lowrance 2000C? Is there >anything better out there? I'm about to buy one and seek the advice >of builders here. > >I'm looking for the most bang for the buck. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:34 PM PST US From: Davcoberly@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best GPS today Well, I haven't flown with mine yet but just playing with it sitting in front of my hanger I think I'm really going to like. I just got my flight review in a plane with a Garmin 696 and unless you need the weather radar I sure wouldn't spend the difference to have one compared to the 2000C just my opinion I'm sure others will knock me down on this. David Coberly ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: tight fit tool (additional test + video) From: ihab.awad@gmail.com Hi Carlo,n On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Carlos Sa wrote: > Paul, does your shake as bad as this? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_R6gwzkulI Yikes! I just went out and tried mine, and it has *no* discernible runout. That said, mine has a red plastic part (as opposed to your yellow -- does that make a difference?); I bought it a few years ago; and I'm using 1/4-20 threaded bits, not a collet. Ihab -- Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:20 PM PST US From: Bill Pagan Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Best GPS today A little lost on this - been out of town and got into this thread a little late. What is the 7" gps you're talking about?- Can you give me a manufac turer and/or link? - Thanks! Bill Pagan EAA Tech Counselor #4395 601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES) --- On Sun, 7/12/09, Thruster87 wrote: From: Thruster87 Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Best GPS today 7" GPS bought on ebay for $150.00 NEW [operating system windows CE] and ins talled Oziexplorer CE then load your- VNC, WAC, VTC maps into it. Beautif ul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252705#252705 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Best GPS today From: John Swartout Here's my 1.5 cents: I use a NavSim NavCruiser Pro for work. It's designed for marine use but they also have an aviation version which I can't comment on because I haven't tried it. I like the features, and it's quite customizable, and I plan to try it out in the air when I get my plane up there. It's quite versatile in the formats it supports. My issue is that I haven't yet found a chart/database that I like for bush flying. Topo maps just don't have enough contrast. You need to get your face too close to the screen to see anything. I have not seen aeronautical charts on a computer screen, but a friend had an AnywhereMap on an iPaq a few years ago, and as I recall, it's nice to look at in a parking lot, but up in the air, you still have to squint. I'd love to hear others' experience--I am definitely not an expert in the field of aviation GPS. Actually haven't done a biennial in a few years--too busy building the %^&*() air plane! The other matter is picking a machine to run the software on. Sunlight-readable screens are very pricy, I've found. Keep the thread going. John CH-801/TMX-O360 On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Bill Pagan wrote: > A little lost on this - been out of town and got into this thread a > little late. What is the 7" gps you're talking about? Can you give me a > manufacturer and/or link? > > Thanks! > > Bill Pagan > EAA Tech Counselor #4395 > 601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES) > > > --- On *Sun, 7/12/09, Thruster87 * wrote: > > > From: Thruster87 > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Best GPS today > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 6:55 PM > > > > > 7" GPS bought on ebay for $150.00 NEW [operating system windows CE] and > installed Oziexplorer CE then load your VNC, WAC, VTC maps into it. > Beautiful > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252705#252705http://www.matronics.p; > -Matt Draronics.com/contribution" ====== > > > > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:44 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Best GPS today From: "Tommy Walker" Thanks for the replies. I am actually looking for something that a non GPS user can learn to use fairly quickly. The buyer for my plane asked me to buy him one. I noticed the 2000C at ACS was $699. My friend Rick Roberts (of CH701-Suzuki fame) has one and likes it. What the buyer needs is something with a large screen that is easy to use. I had an Airmap 300 back in the 90's and it was pretty good. It did lose it's GPS signal on occasions. I read some comments on some of the lists where people said their 2000C lost it's signal.... Just trying to get all the facts before I spend the gentleman's money. Thanks, Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252720#252720 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: tight fit tool (additional test + video) From: Carlos Sa Yes, it sucks, doesn't it. It is hard to make a hole in a predefined spot. I don't know if a threaded bit would make any difference: the tool comes with 4 collets, and they are just about the same in "wobliness level". Thanks for taking the time. Carlos do not archive. 2009/7/12 > > Hi Carlo,n > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Carlos Sa wrote: > > Paul, does your shake as bad as this? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_R6gwzkulI > > Yikes! I just went out and tried mine, and it has *no* discernible > runout. That said, mine has a red plastic part (as opposed to your > yellow -- does that make a difference?); I bought it a few years ago; > and I'm using 1/4-20 threaded bits, not a collet. > > Ihab > > -- > Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:07 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Best GPS today Hi Tommy, I'm afraid you are trying to live the impossible dream. GPS units just don't come in easy to use. The number of issues the user must understand and the number of choices he has just make this a device with a really steep learning curve. Last year I went to a safety seminar on using GPS. It was sponsored by the FAA and AOPA Safety Foundation. It was mostly about using GPS for IFR navigation, but many of the issues raised have application in VFR flight too. Perhaps the most telling point that I remember was about single pilot IFR flight. This was a very common event a few decades ago. One of my friends flew hard IFR often in his Globe Swift - a twitchy plane with only 2 hours of fuel. He thought nothing of it. Today, single pilot IFR is considered a safety hazard - particularly if you don't have a working autopilot. The reason? GPS. These little gizmos take so much attention that a pilot can't fly the plane and twiddle the GPS at the same time. Which ever GPS you select, I think you should plan on spending many hours getting familiar with it. That way you can program it on the ground before takeoff and when you need to do something to it in the air you know exactly which button to push to get what you want. Paul XL grounded At 05:21 PM 7/12/2009, you wrote: >What the buyer needs is something with a large screen that is easy to use. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:05 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Best GPS today From: "Thruster87" [quote="pdn8r(at)yahoo.com"]A little lost on this - been out of town and got into this thread a little late. What is the 7" gps you're talking about? Can you give me a manufacturer and/or link? Thanks! Bill Pagan EAA Tech Counselor #4395 601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES) --- On Sun, 7/12/09, Thruster87 wrote: > > From: Thruster87 > Subject: Re: Best GPS today > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 6:55 PM > > > 7" GPS bought on ebay for $150.00 NEW [operating system windows CE] and installed Oziexplorer CE then load your VNC, WAC, VTC maps into it. Beautiful > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252705#252705http://www.matronics.p; -Matt Draronics.com/contribution" ====== > > > > > > [b] Brand doesn't matter as long as you can access the Windows CE and add software to the SD card. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252735#252735 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:36 PM PST US From: Gary Thomas Subject: Zenith-List: First flight of N12GT Hi all, Yesterday saw the first flight of N124GT, a 601XL with corvair power built according to the standard William Wynne configuration. -It went once arou nd the pattern without incident. -I watched from the ground, but will be eager to play my part next weekend. -It could not have been done without tremendous help from the people at Zenith, William Wynne and friends, membe rs of EAA chapter 133 down here in Fort Lauderdale, countless visitors to t he hangar, and the people here on this forum (where I am an avid lurker). Emotions run high here sometimes, and there are occasionally people with a talent for getting others inflamed, but let's remember and celebrate what w e all have in common, for it is considerable. -Keep working towards your dreams. Gary ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:03 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First flight of N12GT From: "PatrickW" Congrats on a major accomplishment! - Pat -------- Patrick XL/650/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252742#252742 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:00 PM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL take-off distance Bob, I have about 190 landings/takeoffs from my grass 1500 x 60 (approx) farm strip* and hope to base it on the farm in a month or two. It presently is at KPHT (Paris, Tn; in our EAA hanger) *Before I retired here in Tennessee from SoCal. I called the Tennessee Dept of Aeronautics and asked them how people in Tennessee go about cutting a strip so they can fly their own airplanes from their own property. The answer was "most people in Tennessee use a bulldozer." (within about 10 miles of my farm there are at least 6 farm strips (that I know of) that are not on any map.) The strip is rough and my takeoffs are slightly down hill (about a 20 - 30 ft drop total for the entire length) At a gross weight of about 1125 lbs ((I have yet to load'er up with deer corn to gross weight for takeoffs from the farm (deer corn - to feed the deer in case of........ ))** on a 90 deg F hot day (density alt of about 1500 ft) at zero headwind, I am airborne in about 500 ft. About 100 feet from the end of the strip are about 75 ft trees which I easily clear. With a tail wind though, the trees are "imposing" - the max tail wind I have taken off with has been less than 10 kts. I have 6x600 tires/wheels, but the standard 5x500 should work well also. * *I have counted as many as 14 deer grazing on my farm near the runway. Have only bagged two of them around here in five years - with my truck - both times a $1500 AWG! Tony Graziano 601XL/Jab3300 with ground adjustable Sensenich; N493TG; 510 really enjoyable hours. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob McArdle To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL take-off distance Does anyone have an approx. lift-off distance and distance to clear 50' for a 601XL with Jab 3300 and wood prop? This is for a grass field. Thanks, Bob ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:58 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: tight fit tool (additional test + video) Re my previous report on my tightfit drill: I've always used the threaded drills. That could account for my relative lack of wobble. -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: tight fit tool (additional test + video) Yes, it sucks, doesn't it. It is hard to make a hole in a predefined spot. I don't know if a threaded bit would make any difference: the tool comes with 4 collets, and they are just about the same in "wobliness level". Thanks for taking the time. Carlos do not archive. 2009/7/12 Hi Carlo,n On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Carlos Sa wrote: > Paul, does your shake as bad as this? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_R6gwzkulI Yikes! I just went out and tried mine, and it has *no* discernible runout. That said, mine has a red plastic part (as opposed to your yellow -- does that make a difference?); I bought it a few years ago; and I'm using 1/4-20 threaded bits, not a collet. Ihab -- Ihab A.B. 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