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1. 01:39 AM - Re: Re: LAA Testing (Bob Collins)
2. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: New Fade In Police Line up Photo's (LINLARMAYES@aol.com)
3. 05:26 AM - Re: Re: New Fade In Police Line up Photo's (Ken Arnold)
4. 05:35 AM - LAA Testing (roger lambert)
5. 06:08 AM - Re: Question for anyone using GretzAero's Pitot mount with Dynon (Gig Giacona)
6. 06:11 AM - Re: New Fade In Police Line up Photo's (Gig Giacona)
7. 06:11 AM - LAA Testing (roger lambert)
8. 06:28 AM - heavy wing (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net)
9. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: New Fade In Police Line up Photo's (ernie)
10. 07:39 AM - Re: LAA Testing (dougsire)
11. 07:42 AM - Re: Heavy left wing (John Goodings)
12. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: New Fade In Police Line up Photo's (Paul Mulwitz)
13. 08:09 AM - Re: New Fade In Police Line up Photo's (Gig Giacona)
14. 09:36 AM - LAA Testing (roger lambert)
15. 10:05 AM - Re: LAA Testing (Rick Lindstrom)
16. 10:29 AM - Re: heavy wing (PatrickW)
17. 10:42 AM - Re: heavy wing (Scotsman)
18. 10:59 AM - Re: heavy wing (PatrickW)
19. 11:05 AM - What Did You Do Today (Bill Pagan)
20. 11:11 AM - Re: Re: heavy wing (jaybannist@cs.com)
21. 11:55 AM - Re: What Did You Do Today (wade jones)
22. 12:18 PM - Re: What Did You Do Today (Frank Roskind)
23. 12:19 PM - Nitrided Crank ()
24. 12:23 PM - Re: Question for anyone using GretzAero's Pitot mount withDynon (Phil Maxson)
25. 01:08 PM - Re: What Did You Do Today (Bill Pagan)
26. 01:56 PM - Re: What Did You Do Today (Bill Naumuk)
27. 05:19 PM - Picture format request (leinad)
28. 05:25 PM - 601 xl wing questions (leinad)
29. 05:27 PM - Re: Nitrided Crank (leinad)
30. 05:55 PM - Re: Nitrided Crank (Lawrence Webber)
31. 06:05 PM - Re: What Did You Do Today (Lawrence Webber)
32. 07:08 PM - Re: Nitrided Crank (PatrickW)
33. 07:09 PM - Re: Picture format request (Jay Maynard)
34. 07:14 PM - Re: Question for anyone using GretzAero's Pitot mount with Dynon (Ron Lendon)
35. 07:43 PM - Re: 601 xl wing questions (Ron Lendon)
36. 07:45 PM - Re: Picture format request (Carlos Sa)
37. 07:59 PM - Re: 601 xl wing questions (Bryan Martin)
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Bob,
I would then assume that if your wife is sitting next to you, then you
and her are not flying. Please remember that _any_ (non-inverted) turn
causes a g-force greater than one.
Bob Collins
Sunnyvale CA USA
MaxNr@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
> Don't worry about me pulling all those Gs. My wife holds me down to 2
> G. If she is sitting next to me it is further reduced to one G.
>
> Bob Dingley
> CH601XL plans 6-6791
> (Holding at the wings) Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Fade In Police Line up Photo's |
I am not a Zenith builder, or flyer. Never have been, never will, But it is
fun to read the ranting, keep it up children.
Larry
In a message dated 7/21/2009 8:29:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
skyriderekm@yahoo.com writes:
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I personally think this entire group is more funny and entertaining than
the WWF on Monday night!
Will ALL of you just get a GRIP and get on with building please???!
Thank you!!
(Stepping off my soap box now)
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| Subject: | Re: New Fade In Police Line up Photo's |
Hey Larry,
Did you ever hear of "an exchange of ignorance?" Welcome to the forum.
Regards,
Ken
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From: LINLARMAYES@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: New Fade In Police Line up Photo's
I am not a Zenith builder, or flyer. Never have been, never will, But
it is fun to read the ranting, keep it up children.
Larry
In a message dated 7/21/2009 8:29:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
skyriderekm@yahoo.com writes:
<skyriderekm@yahoo.com>
I personally think this entire group is more funny and entertaining
than the WWF on Monday night!
Will ALL of you just get a GRIP and get on with building please???!
Thank you!!
(Stepping off my soap box now)
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In a recent posting:
Hi Roger.
" I stopped trying when you set your mind on theories that
were not supported by NTSB findings. "
Those findings by the NTSB were that there was no evidence of
oscillatory damage or metal fatigue. All damage was consistent with
overstress. Please explain how
these new modifications would have prevented any of the accidents in
the reports you cited.
I did attend the last two Zenith events at Sebring and Sun and
Fun. The g figures were supplied by Zenith who particiapted in the NTSB
study and had actual
engineering studies done to determine the number of g's necessary
to do the damage done in the accidents.
" I forwarded to you, part of one report that the NTSB said that while
established in cruise for ten minutes after t.o., the front hor.
stabilizer
brackets first failed downward, causing a 200 ft climb, then the h.s.
popped up
causing a severe nose tuck that destroyed the ship."
You favored pilot error.
This could have been caused because an inspection point (cracking,
after 100
to 300 hours in svc.) in this area was first reported by CH in the
Zenair
Association Newsletters. See ZN 150 (Sept-Oct, 2005) pg.2 for details.
Then
another pilot reported in ZN 155 (July-Aug, 2006) pg. 8 finding these
cracks
on his bird. I don't know. What do you think? I wasn't there.
Don't worry about me pulling all those Gs. My wife holds me down to 2
G. If
she is sitting next to me it is further reduced to one G.
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| Subject: | Re: Question for anyone using GretzAero's Pitot mount with |
Dynon
Doug.Norman(at)sportaviat wrote:
> Gig,
>
> Do you know anyone who's lived with the Dynon AoA for any period of time,
> and their opinion of its usefulness? If not, you might consider asking Frank
> Derfler. He's had one on his Zodiac for three or four years. That might help
> you decide the level of pain you want to inflict on yourself.
>
> Doug N.
>
> --
Is that a hint of its lack of usefulness?
Got an email address for him or does he read/post here? The name doesn't ring a
bell.
The only reason I'd add one is because I don't have a stall warning buzzer. It's
not like I've flown any planes that had a AOA before and have flown many an
hour with out one.
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: New Fade In Police Line up Photo's |
LINLARMAYES(at)aol.com wrote:
> I am not a Zenith builder, or flyer. Never have been, never will, But it is
fun to read the ranting, keep it up children.
> Larry
>
You mind if I ask then why you subscribe?
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601XL Under Construction
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To complete my earlier post:
In a recent posting:
Hi Roger.
" I stopped trying when you set your mind on theories that
were not supported by NTSB findings. "
Those findings by the NTSB were that there was *no evidence of
oscillatory damage or metal fatigue. All damage was consistent with
overstress*. Please explain
how these new modifications would have prevented any of the
accidents in the reports you cited.
I did attend the last two Zenith events at Sebring and Sun and Fun.
The g figures were supplied by Zenith who participated in the NTSB study and
had actual
engineering studies done to determine the number of g's necessary to
do the damage done in the accident.
" I forwarded to you, part of one report that the NTSB said that while
established in cruise for ten minutes after t.o., the front hor.
stabilizer
brackets first failed downward, causing a 200 ft climb, then the h.s.
popped up
causing a severe nose tuck that destroyed the ship."
Please explain how the modifications being tested would have prevented
this accident. Please explain how an airplane flying in *leve*l flight
causes both horizontal
stabilizer attachments to break simultaneously and the stabilizer
then fails downward. Please explain how the airplane, while in level flight,
loses an aileron that circles
over the airplane to strike the newly failed horizontal stabilizer on
the opposite side of the airplane?
"Don't worry about me pulling all those Gs. My wife holds me down to 2
G. If
she is sitting next to me it is further reduced to one G."
I'm sure you realize that you experience 1 g while just
standing(sitting in your case) on the earth.
Once again, I just wish the LAA testing actually would have gone
toward determining the cause of actual accidents, not just creating a false
sense of security through a
faulty test regimen.
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List,
guys with the heavy wings. have you checked the Wash in / out of the wings. it
should be no more than 10MM. ( about 3/8" ) mine was out about 1 1/2" and i know
of at least 2 more A/C that were out that much or more. i had to shave off
the rivet heads and drill a new skin to fit. this was one wing only. the other
was O.K.
just a thought.
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
bobby
N131BP
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| Subject: | Re: New Fade In Police Line up Photo's |
Never have never will? There has got to be better ways to spend your
internet time.
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On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:15 AM, <LINLARMAYES@aol.com> wrote:
> I am not a Zenith builder, or flyer. Never have been, never will, But it is
> fun to read the ranting, keep it up children.
> Larry
>
> In a message dated 7/21/2009 8:29:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> skyriderekm@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> I personally think this entire group is more funny and entertaining than the
> WWF on Monday night!
>
> Will ALL of you just get a GRIP and get on with building please???!
>
> Thank you!!
>
> (Stepping off my soap box now)
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE!
>
>
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Roger,
Do you have a copy of the NTSB Materials Laboratory Report 07-095 dated 9/19/07
regarding the Yuba City crash? One can't hope to understand what might have
happened without really digesting this.
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Doug Sire 601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy left wing |
We have a 601HD with landing/taxi lights near each wingtip and red/green
nav lights on each wingtip. We have only a 15 gallon header tank, not
wing tanks. Initially, the aircraft had a slight left-wing tendency. I
fixed it by adding a ground-adjustable trim tab to the trailing edge of
the right aileron (about 150 x 50 mm, angled down about 15 degrees, but
variable). The aircraft then flew hands off. I expected to change the
trim tab setting depending on passenger present or not. No! - we have
never changed the setting. One flies the aircraft with right wrist
sitting in the Y of the stick. Maybe one uses a little more lateral force
when a passenger is not present, but it isn't a conscious thing.
John and Peter Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Carp/Ottawa/Toronto
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| Subject: | Re: New Fade In Police Line up Photo's |
I don't understand it, but I know there is a whole new pass-time
popular among the younger set. It involves fooling people on the
Internet. Perhaps it is about making yourself look like something
you aren't. Perhaps it is just about getting strangers mad.
Who knows, with all the obese people around these days maybe it is
just a way to establish an identity as something other than a fat
kid. You just can't tell much about a person on email unless they tell you.
I don't see why the Zenith builder's list should be immune from these
irritating people.
Paul
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At 07:20 AM 7/22/2009, you wrote:
>Never have never will? There has got to be better ways to spend your
>internet time.
>do not archive
>
>On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:15 AM, <LINLARMAYES@aol.com> wrote:
> > I am not a Zenith builder, or flyer. Never have been, never will, But it is
> > fun to read the ranting, keep it up children.
> > Larry
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| Subject: | Re: New Fade In Police Line up Photo's |
Well since the guy seems to have posted exactly twice, one response in a thread
on the sale of a 701 project and then in this thread, if he is a troll he is
a very bad one.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
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"Roger,
Do you have a copy of the NTSB Materials Laboratory Report 07-095 dated
9/19/07
regarding the Yuba City crash? *One can't hope to understand what might
have
happened without really digesting this."
*
--------
No, I don't have a copy of the NTSB metallurgy report. All I have is the
full narrative, which I believe must be based in part on that report.
Please post that part of the report where the cause of the accident is
stated. Not the result, but the cause.
I don't want to understand what *might* have been the cause . We have all
heard endless speculation. I want to know what the cause was within
reasonable engineering probability and certainty. Unless one has the cause
of an accident within some reasonable degree of engineering probability,
then any changes to the airframe are being based on guesswork. Its analogous
to taking your car to the shop- the mechanic only listens to your
description of the problem and making no investigation himself, changes a
part. He then sends you on your way to be a tester for his actions in parts
replacement. If it works, fine: if it doesn't you're the one alongside the
road. You won't know until its too late. The same thing is being done to
this airframe. Thinking that making these modifications is the cure only
puts you in the spot of the car owner. Hopefully, the pilots are *now* aware
of the V speeds, sensitive elevator and cable tension characteristics of
this airplane and will fly the airplane accordingly, making the
modifications only redundant. The only thing we know is that these
modifications will get the LAA of Zenith's back and put the airplanes back
in the air. The true effect of the modifications is unknown because the LAA
refused to do before and after testing.
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Well put, Roger.
Thanks.
Rick Lindstrom
ZenVair N42KP
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-----Original Message-----
>From: roger lambert <n601ap@gmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 22, 2009 12:35 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: LAA Testing
>
>"Roger,
>
>Do you have a copy of the NTSB Materials Laboratory Report 07-095 dated
>9/19/07
>regarding the Yuba City crash? *One can't hope to understand what might
>have
>happened without really digesting this."
>*
>--------
> No, I don't have a copy of the NTSB metallurgy report. All I have is the
>full narrative, which I believe must be based in part on that report.
>Please post that part of the report where the cause of the accident is
>stated. Not the result, but the cause.
>
>
>I don't want to understand what *might* have been the cause . We have all
>heard endless speculation. I want to know what the cause was within
>reasonable engineering probability and certainty. Unless one has the cause
>of an accident within some reasonable degree of engineering probability,
>then any changes to the airframe are being based on guesswork. Its analogous
>to taking your car to the shop- the mechanic only listens to your
>description of the problem and making no investigation himself, changes a
>part. He then sends you on your way to be a tester for his actions in parts
>replacement. If it works, fine: if it doesn't you're the one alongside the
>road. You won't know until its too late. The same thing is being done to
>this airframe. Thinking that making these modifications is the cure only
>puts you in the spot of the car owner. Hopefully, the pilots are *now* aware
>of the V speeds, sensitive elevator and cable tension characteristics of
>this airplane and will fly the airplane accordingly, making the
>modifications only redundant. The only thing we know is that these
>modifications will get the LAA of Zenith's back and put the airplanes back
>in the air. The true effect of the modifications is unknown because the LAA
>refused to do before and after testing.
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Excellent advice, and a great example of the nuggets of information that this forum
is good for.
Knowing that there have been 601XL's that were still controllable with at least
1.5" of difference in the washout is valuable for those of us who are approaching
First Flight.
- Pat
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XL/650/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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Excuse the ignorance what is wash out?
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Scotsman wrote:
> what is wash out?
Twist that is built into the wing to reduce the angle of attack the further out
from the root you go. It's so the ailerons maintain effectiveness as you approach
a stall.
Can read about it here: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washout_(aviation)"
- Pat
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| Subject: | What Did You Do Today |
Lets not forget in all the arguing, fingerpointing and bickering that we ar
e supposed to be building airplanes.
-
I pretty much finished up the canopy today.- No cracks - :o)
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
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James,
Wash out is used to describe a deliberatly twisted wing; such that the tip is at
a lower angle of attack than the root.? This delays the stalling of the tip
of the wing to retain aileron effectiveness after the root has stalled. In some
production airplanes, the whole wing has this twist.? In the Zodiac, only the
aileron is twisted during construction to achieve this wash out.
Jay Bannister
-----Original Message-----
From: Scotsman <james.roberts@computershare.co.za>
Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 12:41 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: heavy wing
Excuse the ignorance what is wash out?
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| Subject: | Re: What Did You Do Today |
Good looking workmanship Bill .
Wade Jones South East Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Pagan
To: Zenith List
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:57 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: What Did You Do Today
Lets not forget in all the arguing, fingerpointing and bickering
that we are supposed to be building airplanes.
I pretty much finished up the canopy today. No cracks - :o)
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
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| Subject: | What Did You Do Today |
This may sound like a dumb qustion=2C but how are you going to protect the
canopy from scratches as you do the remaining work? It really looks too sh
iny to get it messed up now.
From: pdn8r@yahoo.com
Subject: Zenith-List: What Did You Do Today
Lets not forget in all the arguing=2C fingerpointing and bickering that we
are supposed to be building airplanes.
I pretty much finished up the canopy today. No cracks - :o)
Bill Pagan EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
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At long last, I received my nitrided crank back from Nitron. I sent it
UPS on May 2, he got it on May 6, and I got it back July 20, 11 weeks
later. Pradom is a nice guy to talk to, and very helpful, but if you're
going to send him your crank, plan for a whole lot of lead time. BTW, I
now have a wooden crate available for the price of shipping. Weighs 11
pounds, 38.5 with crank in it. The check to Nitron was $286 for
nitriding and return, and the price out was $38 from KCMO to Lowell
Mass.
Now off to Oshkosh to seek wisdom from Corvair-Sensei.
Paul R
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Question for anyone using GretzAero's Pitot mount withDynon |
I have been flying the Dynon AOA with the Dynon pitot since last year. I replaced
the Zenith pitot with the standard mounting kit available at Aircraft Spruce.
I had to cut the down-tube shorter, since it hangs down pretty far, but it
seems to work well. I simply enlarged the hole in the skin I had for the Zenith
pitot, but no big deal.
I think the AOA info is useful, but not crucial. I often refer to it when I'm slow
and heavy. It's nice to hear the little alarm go off in a full stall landing.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | What Did You Do Today |
Don't have much left to do on the inside or the outside.=C2- Ready to sta
rt on the engine when the $ is right.=C2- most everything else is done. L
eft the wings open for any mods that may be coming.=C2- I cover it with a
soft flannel sheet and moving pad over that.=C2- Don't use the scratch w
ord on me!! :o)
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
--- On Wed, 7/22/09, Frank Roskind <frankroskind@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
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Subject: RE: Zenith-List: What Did You Do Today
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This may sound like a dumb qustion, but how are you going to protect the ca
nopy from scratches as you do the remaining work?=C2- It really looks too
shiny to get it messed up now.
=C2-
From: pdn8r@yahoo.com
Subject: Zenith-List: What Did You Do Today
Lets not forget in all the arguing, fingerpointing and bickering that we ar
e supposed to be building airplanes.
=C2-
I pretty much finished up the canopy today.=C2- No cracks - :o)
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
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| Subject: | Re: What Did You Do Today |
Bill-
Good work. If you have some free time I might let you work on mine.
(Remember Tom Sawyer?)
Bill
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From: Bill Pagan
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:01 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: What Did You Do Today
Don't have much left to do on the inside or the outside. Ready
to start on the engine when the $ is right. most everything else is
done. Left the wings open for any mods that may be coming. I cover it
with a soft flannel sheet and moving pad over that. Don't use the
scratch word on me!! :o)
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
--- On Wed, 7/22/09, Frank Roskind <frankroskind@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:
From: Frank Roskind <frankroskind@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: What Did You Do Today
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 3:16 PM
This may sound like a dumb qustion, but how are you going to
protect the canopy from scratches as you do the remaining work? It
really looks too shiny to get it messed up now.
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:57:04 -0700
From: pdn8r@yahoo.com
Subject: Zenith-List: What Did You Do Today
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Lets not forget in all the arguing, fingerpointing and
bickering that we are supposed to be building airplanes.
I pretty much finished up the canopy today. No cracks -
:o)
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
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| Subject: | Picture format request |
This is just a request that those of you posting pictures size them to something
like 800 x 600 pixels or smaller before posting them. Some of us use a browser
to read the list on line, and these huge photos size all future posts the
width of the photo until you log off and back on. The photos themselves are
hard to enjoy because you have to scroll back and forth to see (part of) them,
plus some of us have limited bandwidth, so each large photo uses a chunk of our
quota.
Just a request.
Dan Dempsey
601xl/corvair scratch builder
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| Subject: | 601 xl wing questions |
I've seen some posts in the past that talked about these issues, but since I wasn't
building my wing at the time I didn't pay great attention. I have just a
few questions about XL wing construction. My plans are dated 2003 and wondering
what if any construction updates I may be missing.
I remember some talk about stiffeners to prevent oil canning. Is this standard
practice now?
The hole in the rear channel for aileron push tube, does this get reinforced in
someway?
Can someone explain why the design for the flap is taller than the rear channel?
Is it still done that way?
Any other improvements that I should be aware of?
Dan Dempsey
601xl/corvair plans builder
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| Subject: | Re: Nitrided Crank |
Paul,
That's great news. Now on with the build? Are you going with a 5th bearing?
Dan
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Hey Paul i saw your crank being processed in the nitriding machine
during my last visit to pick up a crank i promised to tom brady of west vir
ginia thats an amazing process. good luck with it !!!!!
worked on the hub location to set up dims to install and measure front cow
ling will finish when i return from the bigOSH
Larry Webber 601xl
From: paulrod36@msn.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Nitrided Crank
At long last=2C I received my nitrided crank back from Nitron. I sent it UP
S on May 2=2C he got it on May 6=2C and I got it back July 20=2C 11 weeks
later. Pradom is a nice guy to talk to=2C and very helpful=2C but if you're
going to send him your crank=2C plan for a whole lot of lead time. BTW=2C
I now have a wooden crate available for the price of shipping. Weighs 11 p
ounds=2C 38.5 with crank in it. The check to Nitron was $286 for nitriding
and return=2C and the price out was $38 from KCMO to Lowell Mass.
Now off to Oshkosh to seek wisdom from Corvair-Sensei.
Paul R
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | What Did You Do Today |
Bill When i finished my cowl i then removedit and stored it far from my wor
k area
Larry
From: pdn8r@yahoo.com
Subject: Zenith-List: What Did You Do Today
Lets not forget in all the arguing=2C fingerpointing and bickering that we
are supposed to be building airplanes.
I pretty much finished up the canopy today. No cracks - :o)
Bill Pagan EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
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| Subject: | Re: Nitrided Crank |
paulrod36(at)msn.com wrote:
> 11 weeks later. Pradom is a nice guy to talk to, and very helpful, but if you're
going to send him your crank, plan for a whole lot of lead time.
For what it's worth, 11 weeks is extremely quick turnaround.
I'm sure a lot of guys wish all the engine parts they ordered came that fast...
- Pat
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N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Picture format request |
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 05:18:23PM -0700, leinad wrote:
> This is just a request that those of you posting pictures size them to
> something like 800 x 600 pixels or smaller before posting them. Some of
> us use a browser to read the list on line, and these huge photos size all
> future posts the width of the photo until you log off and back on. The
> photos themselves are hard to enjoy because you have to scroll back and
> forth to see (part of) them, plus some of us have limited bandwidth, so
> each large photo uses a chunk of our quota.
I'll second that, and note that Matronics' email server also has a problem
that causes it to re-send email if the destination server takes too long to
process it - where "too long" is considerably shorter that the 5 minutes
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If the message is bigger than 200K or so, including the size of all
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| Subject: | Re: Question for anyone using GretzAero's Pitot mount with |
Dynon
Gig,
I made up my own, you can see how here:
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=0&log=26951&row=521
If you make your own you can make the hole pattern whatever you want/need it to
be. The fabrication isn't that difficult, the welding is the tricky part.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Corvair Engine Prints:
http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/
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| Subject: | Re: 601 xl wing questions |
Dan,
My prints are dated 2005 for the most part. I have kept them updated by using
the "ZODIAC XL Drawings Updates" area of the builders site.
I made no reinforcement on the rear spar hole. The flap does stand about 3mm above
the wing skin. My wing skins, flap skin, and leading edge skin are .025"
with no stiffeners.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Corvair Engine Prints:
http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/
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| Subject: | Re: Picture format request |
Dan, a little trick that works with most browsers:
When the picture is too large to fit on your screen, right click and select
"view image".
The current page being displaied will be replaced by that picture alone and
it will be resized to fit the window.
CH601-HD, plans
Centre wing in progress
2009/7/22 leinad <leinad@hughes.net>
>
> This is just a request that those of you posting pictures size them to
> something like 800 x 600 pixels or smaller before posting them. Some of us
> use a browser to read the list on line, and these huge photos size all
> future posts the width of the photo until you log off and back on. The
> photos themselves are hard to enjoy because you have to scroll back and
> forth to see (part of) them, plus some of us have limited bandwidth, so each
> large photo uses a chunk of our quota.
> Just a request.
> Dan Dempsey
> 601xl/corvair scratch builder
>
> --------
> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 xl wing questions |
The flap leading edge is taller than the rear channel to prevent the
air flow from separating at that point. This reduces drag slightly in
the clean configuration. As far as I know, it is still done this way.
On Jul 22, 2009, at 8:24 PM, leinad wrote:
>
> I've seen some posts in the past that talked about these issues, but
> since I wasn't building my wing at the time I didn't pay great
> attention. I have just a few questions about XL wing construction.
> My plans are dated 2003 and wondering what if any construction
> updates I may be missing.
> I remember some talk about stiffeners to prevent oil canning. Is
> this standard practice now?
> The hole in the rear channel for aileron push tube, does this get
> reinforced in someway?
> Can someone explain why the design for the flap is taller than the
> rear channel? Is it still done that way?
> Any other improvements that I should be aware of?
> Dan Dempsey
> 601xl/corvair plans builder
>
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