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1. 06:36 AM - Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? (Jim Belcher)
2. 06:55 AM - Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? (Gig Giacona)
3. 08:10 AM - Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? (Jim McBurney)
4. 08:49 AM - Another 601XL takes to the air (aprazer)
5. 09:13 AM - Re: Another 601XL takes to the air (Larry Winger)
6. 09:39 AM - Another 601XL takes to the air (Beckman, Rick)
7. 09:43 AM - Re: Another 601XL takes to the air (Gary Ray)
8. 09:52 AM - Re: Another 601XL takes to the air (Bill Pagan)
9. 11:39 AM - Re: EAA videos (Terry Phillips)
10. 03:49 PM - Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? (mosquito56)
11. 04:52 PM - Re: Another 601XL takes to the air (Davcoberly@wmconnect.com)
12. 08:53 PM - Fw: [ZBAG] OSH Forum (T. Graziano)
13. 09:37 PM - Re: Fw: [ZBAG] OSH Forum (Paul Mulwitz)
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| Subject: | Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? |
On Thursday 30 July 2009 17:43, Don Merritt wrote:
> Long time reader, rare contributor to discussions as I don't know anything.
>
> I seem to remember reading a post about an inspector who said zinc
> chromatic is neither desirable nor required. I was wondering what the
> current concensis is on this subject.
>
<snip>
Zinc chromate is one of many acceptable primers. There are places where some
sort of primer is required. Normally, on certificated aircraft, the FAA (and
thus the inspector) defer to whatever the manufacturer recommended. Sometimes
that's zinc chromate; sometimes something else.
One could argue that some of the newer primers are better (and hence, maybe
more desirable). But zinc chromate works: you can sometimes see aircraft from
WWII which still have the zinc chromate and still have the metal underneath
intact.
For whatever it's worth, that's what I'm using on my 601XL between mating
surfaces. Since this is a non-certrificated aircraft, I could use whatever I
wanted to, but zinc chromate has a good track record with me. I'm not saying
that all the other primers are bad; just that I've never had any problems
with this one.
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Jim B Belcher
BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Retired aerospace technical manager
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| Subject: | Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? |
ZC was the primer of choice when I started building and what I used everywhere
metal meets metal in the tail and wings and firewall. I also used it in the rear
part of the fuselage where inspection is harder.
I didn't use it quite as much in the forward part of the firewall. because inspection
won't be as much of an issue.
Keep in mind that 6061-T6 has pretty good anti-corrosion properties all by itself
and I noticed you are from Laredo. It's pretty dry there isn't it?
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? |
Hi, Don (and List),
Re: order of build, a suggestion: If you haven't closed up your plane
yet, consider electrical wiring. Running conduit (Van's nylon
corrugated conduit P/N DUCT NT5/8-50) through hard-to-reach places while
they're still accessible is MUCH easier than trying to fish conduit or
wire bundles after riveting. (Don't ask me how I know!!!) It's light,
flexible, and can be secured using plastic conduit straps from Lowe's
Electrical Aviation Department. Pull a light string through each
conduit run with a vacuum cleaner, and use it to pull the wires through
later.
Blue skies and tailwinds to all
Jim
CH-801
DeltaHawk diesel
90% done 120% left
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| Subject: | Another 601XL takes to the air |
Well, I did it!
I flew N990MK on its maiden voyage yesterday and the wings didn't fall off!
It took a while, but I finally got my head screwed on correctly.
With all the bantering back and forth about the 601XL being safe realey took a
toll on me!
It took so long that the plane had to be annual-ed (to be in compliance) before
its first flight!
Well, it flew beautifully! A few minor adjustments and it is back into the wild
blue yonder.
For those who have the same problem that I did and wish to talk about it, contact
me off thread.
I'm jacked! What more can I say?
Mack
601XL/Jab 3300
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The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho
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| Subject: | Re: Another 601XL takes to the air |
Way to go! I'm glad you crossed the line and got to enjoy the thrill of
flight in your own creation.
Larry Winger
650/Corvair
Canopy almost done
Tustin, CA
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:49 AM, aprazer <aprazer@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> Well, I did it!
>
> I flew N990MK on its maiden voyage yesterday and the wings didn't fall off!
>
> It took a while, but I finally got my head screwed on correctly.
>
> With all the bantering back and forth about the 601XL being safe realey
> took a toll on me!
>
> It took so long that the plane had to be annual-ed (to be in compliance)
> before its first flight!
>
> Well, it flew beautifully! A few minor adjustments and it is back into the
> wild blue yonder.
>
> For those who have the same problem that I did and wish to talk about it,
> contact me off thread.
>
> I'm jacked! What more can I say?
>
> Mack
> 601XL/Jab 3300
>
> --------
> The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255371#255371
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010009_325.jpg
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| Subject: | Another 601XL takes to the air |
Congratulations!! Send pictures!!
Rick
Well, I did it!
I flew N990MK on its maiden voyage yesterday and the wings didn't fall
off!
It took a while, but I finally got my head screwed on correctly.
With all the bantering back and forth about the 601XL being safe realey
took a toll on me!
It took so long that the plane had to be annual-ed (to be in compliance)
before its first flight!
Well, it flew beautifully! A few minor adjustments and it is back into
the wild blue yonder.
For those who have the same problem that I did and wish to talk about
it, contact me off thread.
I'm jacked! What more can I say?
Mack
601XL/Jab 3300
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The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho
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| Subject: | Re: Another 601XL takes to the air |
Mack
Congratulations.
You have crossed over. An entirely new adventure begins.
Keep up with the inspections and maintain a good
log for any problems or changes you make.
Plan your flight tests during the first 40 hrs, stick to the plan and record
the results.
Be sure you set personal limits for weather, and condition of your aircraft.
Don't fly it unless every thing is the way you want it.
Good Luck
Gary Ray
davgray@sbcglobal.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "aprazer" <aprazer@cableone.net>
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Another 601XL takes to the air
>
> Well, I did it!
>
> I flew N990MK on its maiden voyage yesterday and the wings didn't fall
off!
>
> It took a while, but I finally got my head screwed on correctly.
>
> With all the bantering back and forth about the 601XL being safe realey
took a toll on me!
>
> It took so long that the plane had to be annual-ed (to be in compliance)
before its first flight!
>
> Well, it flew beautifully! A few minor adjustments and it is back into the
wild blue yonder.
>
> For those who have the same problem that I did and wish to talk about it,
contact me off thread.
>
> I'm jacked! What more can I say?
>
> Mack
> 601XL/Jab 3300
>
> --------
> The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255371#255371
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010009_325.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another 601XL takes to the air |
Oh! You have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Congratulations Mack!
-
Do Not Archive
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL/Corvair/Canopy Done!
RV-8A, Built, Flown, Sold
--- On Fri, 7/31/09, aprazer <aprazer@cableone.net> wrote:
From: aprazer <aprazer@cableone.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Another 601XL takes to the air
Well, I did it!
I flew N990MK on its maiden voyage yesterday and the wings didn't fall off!
It took a while, but I finally got my head screwed on correctly.
With all the bantering back and forth about the 601XL being safe realey too
k a toll on me!
It took so long that the plane had to be annual-ed (to be in compliance) be
fore its first flight!
Well, it flew beautifully! A few minor adjustments and it is back into the
wild blue yonder.
For those who have the same problem that I did and wish to talk about it, c
ontact me off thread.
I'm jacked! What more can I say?
Mack
601XL/Jab 3300
--------
The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho
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Good call, Jim
I fired up my WM Recorder shareware app and it started with the 1st
tutorial and cycled through the list. FLV Player will play the flash video,
so that's good enough for me. Thanks
Terry
do not archive
At 03:44 PM 7/28/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tuesday 28 July 2009 14:19, Carlos Sa wrote:
> > Terry, I don't know if it is possible to just download it.
> > The videos are played with Adobe Flash Player, and the menus don't show any
> > option to save the video.
> > I also checked the EAA store, but I did not find those videos there.
> > I would suggest writing to the webmaster ( webmaster@eaa.org ) or calling
> > 800-564-6322.
>
>There are programs which will capture flash video from the web site. An
>example is: http://www.web-video-downloader.com/
>
>There are plenty of others; it just depeneds on which you personally like.
>
>There are other programs which will convert the flash video to something a
>little more conventional, like mpeg2. Or, if you don't object to flash, you
>can save it that way and play it on your computer.
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; waiting on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? |
Glad to hear that zc is still the way to go.
Next question is , Can I put the engine on and run it with the airplane in clecoes?
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Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx
Apologies if I seem antagonistic.
I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance
in this thing we call life.
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| Subject: | Re: Another 601XL takes to the air |
Way to Go Mack!! I just put on my 6+ hour on mine today since I got the
first flight under my belt. I still need plenty of work on my landings! I sure
wish the FAA would let a person get some instruction in your own plane
before the 40 hrs. Fly Safe!
David Coberly 601XL / Corvair
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| Subject: | Fw: [ZBAG] OSH Forum |
Zodiac CH 601 XL / CH 650 update - July 27, 2009
Regarding flutter: Completed Ground Vibration Tests (GVT) to typical
industry standards have revealed no tendency for the aircraft to flutter
at any point within the approved flight envelope, even when the aircraft
is not properly rigged (over-weight, improper loading, and looser
control cables). Owners who nevertheless wish to install aileron
counterweights will soon be able to do so as the German consulting team
is working on a design. The UK CAA is also working on a design, which
was recently flight tested. We do not know the outcome of the test at
this time.
Regarding load limits: Static tests have confirmed that the airframe
meets the max. allowable +4/-2 G limit loads at 1,320 pounds with zero
permanent deformation in the airframe. Reports from DAR are forthcoming.
Regarding aircraft checklists: The seven points covered in the Chris
Heintz letter of July 7, 2009 should be added to all pre-flight
checklists for the 601/650. Chris also recommends that the "condition
inspection checklist" (July 2009 edition) be used as part of the
mandated annual inspections, but also for general condition
verifications after unusual events (i.e. hard landings) or unusual
flight conditions (flight through extreme turbulence), or before the
first flight. Note that engine, avionics and other non airframe items
are not on this checklist.
Regarding Aircraft Handling (stick forces/lower stall speeds): Although
Chris Heintz has repeatedly reminded pilots to get properly checked out
prior to taking the controls of a new aircraft, like the Zodiac. Some
pilots still report being surprised by the light stick forces of their
601/650. To increase stick loads and minimize the chance of pilots
over-controlling the aircraft, Chris has finished the design of a simple
spring system that is attached to an elevator control cable. Once
installed, elevator and aileron forces are similar and there is less
sensitivity in pitch control. Chris wants to do more flight testing
before releasing the drawings.
Addressing Airspeed and ASI Markings: With 601/650 models manufactured
by various companies around the world and "Experimental" versions
completed by hundreds of individual builders, it is not surprising that
a range of airspeed limits and airspeed indicator markings exist for the
design. While this is not inherently incorrect (different MTOW and
different engines justify this - and phase 1 flight testing should
confirm it), it can nevertheless be confusing.
As a general all-around and conservative alternative, Chris Heintz has
issued an updated set of airspeeds and ASI markings for the standard CH
601 XL, as published in the Zodiac CH 601 XL S-LSA Pilot Operating
Handbook (July 2009). These speeds should be included in every Pilot
Operating Handbook (POH) and should be reflected on the traditional
white, green and yellow arcs of the ASI - once calibrated. Variances
should only be considered after review and testing by competent
individuals. A copy of the S-LSA POH with proper marking and limitations
(updated to the Chris Heintz letter of July 7th, 2009) can be downloaded
from the AMD web site at: POH:
http://www.newplane.com/amd_downloads/MASTER_AMD_POH_601_650_july_8_2009_
at_1255lbs.pdf
Service Manual:
http://www.newplane.com/amd_downloads/Maintenance_Manual_601_650_Continen
tal_July_2009.pdf
FAA Update: In response to the NTSB letter (dated April 14, 2009) the
FAA chartered a special review team to investigate the details of each
NTSB recommendation. In a July 13 letter to the NTSB, FAA administrator
Randolph Babbitt writes that the FAA "lacks adequate justification" to
ground the CH-601XL models, per the NTSB's request. "Data indicates the
CH-601XL has a safety record similar to other S-LSA and appears capable
of safe flight and operations if maintained according to the
manufacturer's recommendations."
We will continue to update you as we get updated from Chris Heintz, who
is working with the Europeans, UK and USA authorities on all this.
----- Original Message -----
From: n601ap
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:08 AM
Subject: [ZBAG] OSH Forum
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9z9WCW4Rrc6v*qCvZK6YKG70S2Zo0TqgRDlLe18aTqtbgfxAD/Zodiac20update20letter2
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: [ZBAG] OSH Forum |
Hi Tony,
Thank you for the forum information. I feel
optimistic about the final outcome of my XL project now.
Paul
XL Grounded
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At 08:51 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote:
>Zodiac CH 601 XL / CH 650 update ' July 27, 2009
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