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1. 04:52 AM - Zenith list addressees being used for spam (Jim Belcher)
2. 08:18 AM - Re: Zenith list addressees being used for spam (Paul Mulwitz)
3. 08:20 AM - Re: Zenith list addressees being used for spam (Matt Dralle)
4. 08:54 AM - Re: Zenith list addressees being used for spam (Jim Belcher)
5. 10:45 AM - Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? (Gig Giacona)
6. 10:48 AM - Re: Zenith list addressees being used for spam (Gig Giacona)
7. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? (Phil Maxson)
8. 11:20 AM - Re: OT-Gotta Love the NTSB ()
9. 12:18 PM - CH 650 Gear (fgantt@texaviation.com)
10. 01:32 PM - Re: CH 650 Gear (Gig Giacona)
11. 02:17 PM - Re: CH 650 Gear (Terry Phillips)
12. 02:19 PM - Re: CH 650 Gear (wade jones)
13. 11:06 PM - Official Zenith-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
14. 11:14 PM - Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Zenith list addressees being used for spam |
I use an email address system of my own design. Things like the Matronics list
have a unique email address which no one else has. Thus, I can tell where the
leak is when I start getting spam.
Unfortunately, that's started with the address I used for the Matronics email
list.
As a result, I changed my email address as of a few minutes ago. I was using
z601 (at) anemicaardvark.com. That has now been changed to z601a (at)
anemicaardvark.com. If any of you are attempting to contact me off the list,
please notice the change.
And, if it happens again, I'll switch the address again. If it comes to that,
I'll switch the domain.
Two examples of spam in the last couple of days, directly traceable to the
address used only on this list. It's a shame they aren't real; I could use
the money! And, if any of you are getting the same junk, now you know why.
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"You're invited to 'contact him now'.
By your host Frank Tutu:
Date:Friday 31 July 2009
Time:1:00 PM - 2:00 PM (GMT +00:00)
Location:Attention beneficiary, we have concluded to effect
your payment via western union $5,000 .00 daily until the total of
$900,000.00 USD is completely send. The name of Western union Agent is Jide
Emmanuel, E-mail: (western_rm1@live.com) So contact him and also tell him to
give you the MTCN and sender name to pick the $5000 USD. Kindly send to him
the below information as soon as possible. 1.YOUR FULL NAME 2.YOUR ADDRESS
3.YOUR CURRENT TELEPHONE NUMBER Thank you, Mr. Frank Tutu
Will you attend? RSVP to this invitation at: (address deleted)"
and the following:
"Dear Beneficiary,
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development OECD has selected
1000 lucky individuals from the 30 member countries to benefit from their
recent economic empowerment programme.This email notification confirms you as
one of the lucky beneficiaries of this year's draw. Each of the beneficiaries
are to receive the sum of $300,000.00 USD.
Amongst the aims and objectives of this programme is to empower beneficiaries
financially against the back drop of the global financial melt down affecting
member countries and the other selected countries.
You are required to contact the Co-Secretary to the Board for quick processing
and release of your funds to you.
Rev Tom Soyinka
Co-Secretary to the Board.
Email: rev.tom.soyinka1949@msn.com
Tel: +234-813-828-9701
Regards,
Andra Johnson
Programmes Coordinator"
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Jim B Belcher
BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Retired aerospace technical manager
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith list addressees being used for spam |
Hi Jim,
Matronics lists are open forums. That means spammers can scan the
archives and current posts to collect targets for their filthy messages.
This is the price we pay for communicating freely.
Paul
XL awaiting engineering changes
Do not archive
At 04:57 AM 8/1/2009, you wrote:
>Unfortunately, that's started with the address I used for the Matronics email
>list.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith list addressees being used for spam |
Dear Listers,
Just to be clear, Matronics is *not* selling or otherwise distributing the email
addresses subscribed to the Lists for the purposes of spam or advertising.
The behavior that Jim is describing is typically a type of spy ware that one or
more members of the List have on their local computer. When any email message
is delivered to their computer, the spy ware will automatically send the from
address of the email a spam message(s) without the person even knowing it.
I would recommend that anyone subscribed to the List run a spy ware cleaning
program on their computer to rid themselves of any bots they might have contracted.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator.
At 04:57 AM 8/1/2009 Saturday, you wrote:
>
>I use an email address system of my own design. Things like the Matronics list
>have a unique email address which no one else has. Thus, I can tell where the
>leak is when I start getting spam.
>
>Unfortunately, that's started with the address I used for the Matronics email
>list.
>
>As a result, I changed my email address as of a few minutes ago. I was using
>z601 (at) anemicaardvark.com. That has now been changed to z601a (at)
>anemicaardvark.com. If any of you are attempting to contact me off the list,
>please notice the change.
>
>And, if it happens again, I'll switch the address again. If it comes to that,
>I'll switch the domain.
>
>Two examples of spam in the last couple of days, directly traceable to the
>address used only on this list. It's a shame they aren't real; I could use
>the money! And, if any of you are getting the same junk, now you know why.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith list addressees being used for spam |
Lest I leave the wrong impression, I can't imagine why Matt or anyone directly
involved with the list would distribute our addresses. Matt and this list
have an excellent reputation for honesty and being above reproach.
It was not my intent to leave the impression that Matt was in any way involved
in this, simply that if I have the problem, it's likely some of the rest of
you may as well. More than likely, it is exactly what Matt is describing:
someone on the list has a spyware program running in their machine without
knowing it
On Saturday 01 August 2009 10:16, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Just to be clear, Matronics is *not* selling or otherwise distributing the
> email addresses subscribed to the Lists for the purposes of spam or
> advertising. The behavior that Jim is describing is typically a type of
> spy ware that one or more members of the List have on their local computer.
> When any email message is delivered to their computer, the spy ware will
> automatically send the from address of the email a spam message(s) without
> the person even knowing it. I would recommend that anyone subscribed to
> the List run a spy ware cleaning program on their computer to rid
> themselves of any bots they might have contracted.
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator.
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Jim B Belcher
BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science
A&P/IA
Retired aerospace technical manager
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| Subject: | Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? |
mosquito56 wrote:
> Glad to hear that zc is still the way to go.
> Next question is , Can I put the engine on and run it with the airplane in clecoes?
While you could probably do it 100 times and 99 of those times wouldn't be a problem
you don't know when that one time it is going to cause a problem is going
to happen.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255520#255520
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith list addressees being used for spam |
I strongly reccomend Spybot Search and Destroy. It's free, it's kept updated and
it works.
Here's a link.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255523#255523
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| Subject: | Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? |
I don't see much advantage to leaving the fuselage in clecoes and doing an engine
run. Why not just rivet it? If you need to get to certain areas in the future
it only takes a few minutes to drill out the rivets.
Phil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: OT-Gotta Love the NTSB |
It could be simpler---Let the feds restrict birds over a certain size to
non-airport environments, and no closer then 5 miles from airways. They
could even add a stimulus package to hire trainers and hold bird
seminars to get the word out. We could even have a "bird czar" to
oversee the program
Paul R.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Gig Giacona<mailto:wrgiacona@gmail.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 2:10 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: OT-Gotta Love the NTSB
<wrgiacona@gmail.com<mailto:wrgiacona@gmail.com>>
OK the NTSB figures out that there are more birds now than when
regulations that set the max weight a airframe must withstand were set
in the 70's. Not that birds are bigger now just that there are more of
them.
So what do they tell the FAA to do? Increase the max weight an
airframe must withstand from 4 to 8 pounds.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gP9TU4NOeKMni_YDrLaxj0-
WXRZQD99NPT780<http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gP9TU4NO
eKMni_YDrLaxj0-WXRZQD99NPT780>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at
www.peoamerica.net/N601WR<http://www.peoamerica.net/N601WR>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255131#255131<http://forums
.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255131#255131>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List<http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?Zenith-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on>
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I am building a 650 and I am almost finished the Fuslage and would like to put
it on wheels. My question is what is the difference between the 601XL gear and
the 650 gear. The way Zenith packaged the componet kits diferently between the
650 and the 602XL you can no longer just order the gear kit but have to order
the Finishing Kit.What other options that might be available?
Asd you can tell a first time builder.
DO Not ARCHIEVE
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Looking here http://zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/design-gear.html
There doesn't seem to be any difference. Zenith is pretty good about sending what
you need even if it isn't a complete compoant kit.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255545#255545
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There are two other options that come to mind.
1st, the aluminum gear made by Grove? or someone like that. It is made
(IIRC) from 7075 aluminum which allows them to cut about 13 lbs off the
gear, and (for a few bucks) you can get it gun drilled to pass the brake fluid.
2nd is the composite gear that is sold by Aircraft Spruce. It is lighter by
quite a bit. I don't know if the catalog lists the gear that is rated for
the 1320 lb gross aircraft, but Spruce can order it.
I don't know what the costs are.
Terry
At 02:04 PM 8/1/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>I am building a 650 and I am almost finished the Fuslage and would like to
>put it on wheels. My question is what is the difference between the 601XL
>gear and the 650 gear. The way Zenith packaged the componet kits
>diferently between the 650 and the 602XL you can no longer just order the
>gear kit but have to order the Finishing Kit.What other options that might
>be available?
>Asd you can tell a first time builder.
>DO Not ARCHIEVE
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; waiting on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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Other options .are to build your own ,not too difficult.
Wade Jones South East Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: <fgantt@texaviation.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:04 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: CH 650 Gear
> <fgantt@texaviation.com>
>
> I am building a 650 and I am almost finished the Fuslage and would like to
> put it on wheels. My question is what is the difference between the 601XL
> gear and the 650 gear. The way Zenith packaged the componet kits
> diferently between the 650 and the 602XL you can no longer just order the
> gear kit but have to order the Finishing Kit.What other options that might
> be available?
> Asd you can tell a first time builder.
> DO Not ARCHIEVE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Zenith-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Zenith-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Zenith-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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