---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/03/09: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:51 AM - Re: Builders dinner gettogether (Sabrina) 2. 09:39 AM - Re: Builders dinner gettogether (Gig Giacona) 3. 10:44 AM - NAS BOLTS: Use with AN Nuts (MHerder) 4. 10:51 AM - Re: NAS BOLTS: Use with AN Nuts (MHerder) 5. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Builders dinner gettogether () 6. 12:35 PM - Re: 601 xl wing questions (Ron Lendon) 7. 01:06 PM - Re: WW's New Flight Operations Manual-- Long post for those not (Ron Lendon) 8. 01:10 PM - Re: Another 601XL takes to the air (Ron Lendon) 9. 01:17 PM - Re: Re: Builders dinner gettogether (n801bh@netzero.com) 10. 01:52 PM - Re: NAS BOLTS: Use with AN Nuts (Paul Mulwitz) 11. 01:59 PM - Re: Builders dinner gettogether (Sabrina) 12. 02:18 PM - Re: NAS BOLTS: Use with AN Nuts (MHerder) 13. 02:23 PM - Re: Another 601XL takes to the air (Sabrina) 14. 03:53 PM - Re: Re: Builders dinner gettogether (Paul Mulwitz) 15. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Builders dinner gettogether, etc. (Bill Naumuk) 16. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? (burbby) 17. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? (burbby) 18. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: Builders dinner gettogether (Lawrence Webber) 19. 06:23 PM - Monday Night Chat Summary (leinad) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:54 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether From: "Sabrina" I did have a chance to talk over the phone with Mark Townsend during the Zenith Dinner. Later on, Sebastien told me it was so crowded, the Zenith staff had to eat outside. It was a great Air Venture although short for me (two days) my dream of flying my first US solo in the aircraft I built is closer to reality... I am heading up to flight train with Jay in MN Tuesday! An EAA Sport Aviation Magazine writer was very excited about the news as well--there may be a story in the works... I don't get a copy of that particular magazine so if any of you see Jay or me mentioned in an upcoming issue please post the details here on the list. Thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255764#255764 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:43 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether From: "Gig Giacona" Sabrina wrote: > > > I am heading up to flight train with Jay in MN Tuesday! > Make him wear the TronGuy suit during all training. :) DO NOT ARCHIVE -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255787#255787 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:11 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: NAS BOLTS: Use with AN Nuts From: "MHerder" Here is a technical question for you: Can NAS bolts be used with AN nyloc nuts. One bolt hole on my spar plate connection was reamed slightly to large by about 1/64". I don't really wish to go up to the next size AN bolt even though it is allowable per Zenith. My plan is to use a close tolerance oversize NAS bolt in lieu of the AN bolt. I have researched and found that the NAS bolt is actually stronger than AN bolts, however due to the critical nature of this connection, I want to make sure that I don't overlook any details. BTW in the case that anyone else finds themselves in the same situations oversize bolts are extremely expensive, and are extremely hard to find. Try 50-70 dollars a piece for an AN 6-11. Yes that is EACH bolt 50-70 dollars. -------- One Rivet at a Time! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255806#255806 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:59 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: NAS BOLTS: Use with AN Nuts From: "MHerder" Let me correct my post above... They do not make oversize AN bolts, however they do make oversize NAS bolts albeit all but impossible to find. i.e. NAS6606-11X 660 is the series and means that it is a close fit, 6 means it is a 3/8 bolt, 11 means it is 11/16 and the X is the IMPORTANT part meaning it is 1/64" oversize. There is also a Y designation which means it is 1/32" oversize. Take your time while reaming. I'll still be discussing this further with Zenith to make sure that everything is A-OK but any input regarding the compatibliity between NAS and AN bolts and nuts is appreciated. Thanks -------- One Rivet at a Time! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255807#255807 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:49 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether Don't feel too bad, some days they just get too busy,or are hung up on other potential customers. I went over there three times, wearing my Zenith cap, and the only one who talked to me was (I think) Sebastian's young son. Nice kid. I did, however, have a great time at WW's presentation, and then a half hour or so picking WW and staff's brains. His whole crew was cordial, and informative. Picked up a new manual, and a black hub. Didn't make the Z-dinner, but went to some incredible restaurant way out in the boonies, the other side of Omro. One of the best steaks you could ask for. Another interesting spot was the Brooklyn Grill, 6th and Main. New York gangster motif, even with a Thompson on the wall, and stuff named after Mafiosi. "Gimme a Philly cheese steak, and nobody gets hurt." And for those of you who camped out in the rain and bugs, the "Y" 3 miles west on 20th street rents out "campsites" in their huge air conditioned indoor soccer field, avec pool, hot tub, gym, food, TV, computer, shuttle bus, showers, towels, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Ah, roughing it........ Paul R Back to the real world, putting the engine together ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:05 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether > Sabrina- I just got back from Oskosh. A well known lister and I visited the booth on Thursday and were totally ignored. I'd run into a Zenith buider with a nice T-shirt and wanted to purchase one, but none were on display. Later I found out that T-shirts were available only by request. I went back to the booth and found that there were only 2 shirts available, neither my size. I also stopped by twice to find out the particulars of the Zenith dinner but couldn't get anyone to talk to me. Don't feel bad- SOSDD. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabrina" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether > > > I will miss the dinner tonight at Air Venture... I am still in Chicago, > helping my parents re-roof our house, with the rain coming we have more > work to do. > > To those attending it should be as Mr. Townsend intended, a quiet night... > > I will hang around the Zenith booth/area on and off Friday and Saturday... > hope to see you guys and gals then... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255238#255238 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 xl wing questions From: "Ron Lendon" Dan, Here are the plan updates (see attachment on the Forum web site). I think the L Angles (stringers) could be made from .016 or .025 with standard A4 P 40 or 50 should work. Call Zenith and get the actual details. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Corvair Engine Prints: http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255831#255831 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/650_drawing_list_6x_0_204.pdf ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:20 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: WW's New Flight Operations Manual-- Long post for those not From: "Ron Lendon" I picked one up at Oshkosh and read it in the tent during the rain storms. GOOD STUFF! It is a compilation of 10 Corvair Flyers experiences and has very little of the ever most humble WW in it. The Corvair movement lives on. If you are building a Corvair Powered airplane, you want this book. Call Fly Corvair to get yours. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Corvair Engine Prints: http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255837#255837 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Another 601XL takes to the air From: "Ron Lendon" Congratulations, Fly Safe. do not archive -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Corvair Engine Prints: http://home.comcast.net/~rlendon/site/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255838#255838 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:17 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether Sabrina. I did meet Jay last week. Great guy,, really nice plane too.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Sabrina" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether I did have a chance to talk over the phone with Mark Townsend during the Zenith Dinner. Later on, Sebastien told me it was so crowded, the Zenith staff had to e at outside. It was a great Air Venture although short for me (two days) my dream of flying my first US solo in the aircraft I built is closer to reality... I am heading up to flight train with Jay in MN Tuesday! An EAA Sport Aviation Magazine writer was very excited about the news as well--there may be a story in the works... I don't get a copy of th at particular magazine so if any of you see Jay or me mentioned in an up coming issue please post the details here on the list. Thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255764#255764 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ____________________________________________________________ Lower your debt by up to 50%. Click here to find out how. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYVtfJp2S7N2mZxslKmj qxPgd6SJTIK4QYhKH0fuMZrD4XnzMUtkoo/ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:14 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: NAS BOLTS: Use with AN Nuts I got some AN-6 Bolts from Aircraft Spruce for a lot less than that. I don't remember the exact price, but it was probably around $1.00 Paul XL waiting for engineering changes At 10:42 AM 8/3/2009, you wrote: >BTW in the case that anyone else finds themselves in the same >situations oversize bolts are extremely expensive, and are extremely >hard to find. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:21 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether From: "Sabrina" Jay is the only CFI I know who is not afraid to train me since the NTSB suggestion came down. Even in all of Air Ventureland, only Jay came through!!! Anyone riding to Sturgis later this week? Would I get laughed at if I trailer my Sportster there rather than ride it there? (I am told I cannot ride a "greater than 500cc" bike through Wisconsin or Iowa at 16 even with a valid permit/license from IL.) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255853#255853 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:08 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: NAS BOLTS: Use with AN Nuts From: "MHerder" First I should specify this is for a 601 HD. Second, an AN 6 fastener is anywhere from .0363-.375 in. or + 0.000/-.012.... Problem here is my plate, actual reamed hole dimension, which I intended to ream to .375in is actually slightly ovaled with the greatest dimension measuring approximately .389 inches. So, to ensure a tight fit the only other option I can come up with is use a 1/64" oversize bolt, or use an AN7. An AN7, though acceptable is at the very very limits of allowable, since the edge distance now becomes critical... Yes, a standard AN6 bolt should be a dollar or less, and AN7 should be a dollar or less. an NAS6606-11 should be about 3 or so dollars and BUT an NAS6606-11"X" goes for about fifty bucks. -------- One Rivet at a Time! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255857#255857 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:51 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Another 601XL takes to the air From: "Sabrina" Congrats! I have waited 1 year, 6 months and 23 days to fly mine... the last two months since turning 16 have been the hardest... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255858#255858 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:47 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether Don't get stopped. Do not archive, Paul At 01:59 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote: >Would I get laughed at if I trailer my Sportster there rather than >ride it there? (I am told I cannot ride a "greater than 500cc" bike >through Wisconsin or Iowa at 16 even with a valid permit/license from IL.) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:25 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether, etc. Paul and all- I was at WW's presentation, too- very entertaining and laid back. I stood outside the workshop talking to the guy whose XL was on display at the AirCorvair tent. Afterwards, I went to the 'Vair tent, talked to WW about final installation and timing issues and bought a ZenVair hat (Along with the final piece I need for my installation). I figure I killed three birds with one stone that way. It's getting pretty bad. There are so many 'Vair variations now it's easy to get into a verbal battle over the relative pros and cons. Best forum of the show in my opinion was Experimental Aircraft Registration. Don't miss this one next year, guys+gals. If anyone has or knows someone that has a 13" RV spinner they want to get rid of, e-mail me off list. We stayed at the Ripon College dorms. One hot (Breakfast) and a cot for $8/day. Back to the real world- have to bale the lawn. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: paulrod36@msn.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether Don't feel too bad, some days they just get too busy,or are hung up on other potential customers. I went over there three times, wearing my Zenith cap, and the only one who talked to me was (I think) Sebastian's young son. Nice kid. I did, however, have a great time at WW's presentation, and then a half hour or so picking WW and staff's brains. His whole crew was cordial, and informative. Picked up a new manual, and a black hub. Didn't make the Z-dinner, but went to some incredible restaurant way out in the boonies, the other side of Omro. One of the best steaks you could ask for. Another interesting spot was the Brooklyn Grill, 6th and Main. New York gangster motif, even with a Thompson on the wall, and stuff named after Mafiosi. "Gimme a Philly cheese steak, and nobody gets hurt." And for those of you who camped out in the rain and bugs, the "Y" 3 miles west on 20th street rents out "campsites" in their huge air conditioned indoor soccer field, avec pool, hot tub, gym, food, TV, computer, shuttle bus, showers, towels, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Ah, roughing it........ Paul R Back to the real world, putting the engine together ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:05 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether Sabrina- I just got back from Oskosh. A well known lister and I visited the booth on Thursday and were totally ignored. I'd run into a Zenith buider with a nice T-shirt and wanted to purchase one, but none were on display. Later I found out that T-shirts were available only by request. I went back to the booth and found that there were only 2 shirts available, neither my size. I also stopped by twice to find out the particulars of the Zenith dinner but couldn't get anyone to talk to me. Don't feel bad- SOSDD. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sabrina" To: Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether > > I will miss the dinner tonight at Air Venture... I am still in Chicago, > helping my parents re-roof our house, with the rain coming we have more > work to do. > > To those attending it should be as Mr. Townsend intended, a quiet night... > > I will hang around the Zenith booth/area on and off Friday and Saturday... > hope to see you guys and gals then... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255238#255238 > > > > > > > > > > nbsp; Features Chat, http://www.matronnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:55 PM PST US From: burbby Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? I would NOT think so.... they are strong but i dont think that is a good idea... Let me know how that turns out!!! Gary --- On Fri, 7/31/09, mosquito56 wrote: > From: mosquito56 > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 5:48 PM > "mosquito56" > > Glad to hear that zc is still the way to go. > Next question is , Can I put the engine on and run it with > the airplane in clecoes? > > -------- > Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx > Apologies if I seem antagonistic. > I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions > between individuals for assistance in this thing we call > life. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255435#255435 > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:54 PM PST US From: burbby Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? Not a problem here..... I think i have used about a dozen cans of zinc and some other type that Zenith likes.... The Zinc is easier to use but not good for people to breath. Please use it in a well ventlated area and Do Not breath any. Read the MSDS on Zinc Chromate it is nothin to play with.. Just friendly advice. Thanks Gary --- On Mon, 8/3/09, burbby wrote: > From: burbby > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: priming with zinc chromate? And order of build? > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 7:50 PM > burbby > > > I would NOT think so.... they are strong but i dont think > that is a good idea... > > Let me know how that turns out!!! > > Gary > > > --- On Fri, 7/31/09, mosquito56 > wrote: > > > From: mosquito56 > > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: priming with zinc chromate? > And order of build? > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 5:48 PM > > "mosquito56" > > > > Glad to hear that zc is still the way to go. > > Next question is , Can I put the engine on and run it > with > > the airplane in clecoes? > > > > -------- > > Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx > > Apologies if I seem antagonistic. > > I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions > > between individuals for assistance in this thing we > call > > life. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255435#255435 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > > FAQ, > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > List Contribution Web Site - > > -Matt > > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:42 PM PST US From: Lawrence Webber Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether I stopped by on several different occasions and was greeted quite well by m ark townsend nicholas caleb sebastian and even by the guy from california z enith corp the young kid even sold me a hat(i was wearing a zenith shirt) v all my questions were answered i was shown where to sign up for the dinner which was outstanding and was treated cas a friend maybe it was an at titude problem? Larry > From: naumuk@windstream.net > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether > Date: Mon=2C 3 Aug 2009 02:05:20 -0400 > > > Sabrina- > I just got back from Oskosh. A well known lister and I visited the booth > on Thursday and were totally ignored. > I'd run into a Zenith buider with a nice T-shirt and wanted to purchase > one=2C but none were on display. Later I found out that T-shirts were > available only by request. I went back to the booth and found that there > were only 2 shirts available=2C neither my size. I also stopped by twice to > find out the particulars of the Zenith dinner but couldn't get anyone to > talk to me. Don't feel bad- SOSDD. > > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sabrina" > To: > Sent: Thursday=2C July 30=2C 2009 1:56 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether > > > > > > I will miss the dinner tonight at Air Venture... I am still in Chicago =2C > > helping my parents re-roof our house=2C with the rain coming we have mo re > > work to do. > > > > To those attending it should be as Mr. Townsend intended=2C a quiet nig ht... > > > > I will hang around the Zenith booth/area on and off Friday and Saturday ... > > hope to see you guys and gals then... > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255238#255238 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:05 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Monday Night Chat Summary From: "leinad" Monday Aug 3 This week topics covered were: A380 at Osh Pneumatic Rivet Pullers (harbor freight has the best price) trim servos wiring corvair exhaust Flight Grips Instrument Panels to name a few. See everyone next Monday at 8 Eastern. 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