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1. 05:35 AM - Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! (Bill Pagan)
2. 05:58 AM - Re: Builders dinner gettogether (special4)
3. 06:19 AM - Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! (sdthatcher)
4. 08:14 AM - Re: Booth at Oshkosh (JohnDRead@aol.com)
5. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Builders dinner gettogether (ZodieRocket)
6. 10:09 AM - ZAC Wear (ZodieRocket)
7. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Booth at Oshkosh (Clyde Barcus)
8. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Booth at Oshkosh (Lawrence Webber)
9. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Builders dinner gettogether (Lawrence Webber)
10. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Booth at Oshkosh ()
11. 12:44 PM - Re: Builders dinner gettogether (Mitch Hodges)
12. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! (Kevin Bonds)
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| Subject: | Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! |
Falls into the same category of being able be shot at and have hand grenade
s thrown at you but can't order a beer.
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Kevin Bonds <kevinbonds@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Kevin Bonds <kevinbonds@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!!
I think it is interesting to note that you can't ride your Harley across a
couple of different states because it's displacement is over 500cc, but you
can build and fly your own aircraft all over the country. Something about
that is funny (not funny suspicious but funny ha ha). I'm not sure exactly
what it is, but it's funny. Congrats Sabrina!
Oh BTW, Go Cubs!
Kevin Bonds
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sabrina
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:36 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!!
I completed my pre-US solo training today and Jay signed me off!!!
I will travel the country for a couple weeks and then return to Chicago.-
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It will be so cool to conduct my first US solo in the airplane I built!
Thank you Jay!
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| Subject: | Re: Builders dinner gettogether |
I have been to Oshkosh and Sun-n-Fun, and I did never have a problem talking to
all of the Zenith guys... They are very friendly and helpful. Some "visitors"
(potential buyers) like to "watch" the airplanes without a "salesperson" close
by.... And if they don't approach you, why not go and talk to a representative
yourself....
Peter Sonders
Ch 650
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| Subject: | Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! |
Congratulations Sabrina! It's great to be able to solo but it's got to be even
more fun when you do it in your own, personally built, time machine.
Sabrina wrote:
> I completed my pre-US solo training today and Jay signed me off!!!
>
>
> I will travel the country for a couple weeks and then return to Chicago.
>
>
> It will be so cool to conduct my first US solo in the airplane I built!
>
>
> Thank you Jay!
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Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL, EAA203 28 hours and climbing.
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| Subject: | Re: Booth at Oshkosh |
Gentlemen;
I think you are confusing the Zenith guys on the booth at
Oshkosh with car salesmen. I have visited them for the past five
Airventures, all of the Zenith personnel on the booth are easy to find and easy
to
talk to. If you are just wandering around on the booth you will not be
bothered by a Zenith person. Zenith is a low key operation. If you have a
question just approach one of the guys on the booth and you will get an answer.
I too would be more than ready to answer any construction
questions, limited to the CH701, that any builder might have.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 - now working on #2 with the local school
kids.
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
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| Subject: | Re: Builders dinner gettogether |
I feel bad for someone who feels slighted at the Airshow due to not being
approached and talked to. Our day starts at 6am and we are on the field
typically before 8 am, this is to give us time to uncover the planes, remove
the dew from the airframe and to set out the pamphlets and arrange the tent
for the day. During this time we typically start talking to those who
approach us and we try to accomplish our morning tasks while talking.
Oftentimes we forget to have lunch due to spending time with everyone and we
never take a break in the morning or afternoon. The best we get is to
retreat to the Gazebo and talk to people in that area, which allows us to
have a cookie and a drink of water.
The tent had a sign stating the cost of hats and t-shirts and we sold out of
shirts early, truly expecting Oshkosh to be a little slower this year due to
the economy( like Sun-N-Fun was).
I had seen many people during the show that I recognized and tried to
acknowledge them as much as possible, but with the constant crowd it was
sometimes difficult to get a chance to say hi.
Oshkosh was staffed by 6-7 people this year
Sebastien Heintz - President of Zenith
Mathieu Heintz- Zenair
Nick Heintz- Tech support
Roger - customer service
Caleb- Engineer
Myself - Can-Zac
Doug - Quality sport planes and first time to Oshkosh ( so not a full timer
in the booth)
OF all these people in the booth not one is a salesman, they are all
builders and flyers of the aircraft, in fact we do not have a standing
salesman, our enthusiasm for our product is often enough. The best we offer
are the guys who will be there for you throughout the whole process, I
personally believe that this is a better situation to have, we can answer
your questions of building as well as provide you the information for you to
make a decision. We typically do not approach people during the shows, we
are approached constantly and often have people waiting to be talked to
after we are finished with the person we are with, it is not my desire to
act like a used car salesman, I wish to provide the information people are
looking for and help them try out the planes.
IF I am not engaged in a conversation then I am standing beside a prop
waiting to be approached or to say hi to anyone who is close. I may have
retreated to the gazebo for a slight rest and to talk to people there. IT
is not my intent to slight anyone during the show, the only person I try to
avoid is Gus's father, a great man and I enjoy hearing his stories, but he
will talk to you for over an hour and he may not realize that he has told
you all these stories before, he is 90 yrs old and a very interesting
person.
On closing, if you're at a show and you have a question, just walk up and
ask! We are there for you to engage with, we are very approachable and
friendly. IF we are busy then just hold your arm out to get our attention
and stick close. As soon as we are finished with the person we are with then
we can turn to you. But the secret is to stay close, sometimes if you wander
off we get nabbed by another person and talk to them.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
519-590-7601 www.canzac.ca
Canadian Dealer for Zenith Aircraft Kits, Zenair Designs.
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether
Larry-
Since only Mark has seen me before, I didn't get to speak to anyone
except when I was trying to get a T-shirt, I wasn't wearing a nametag and
wasn't foaming at the mouth I think you can rule attitude out. In fact, I
was upbeat at the possibility of finding an HDS T-shirt a passerby wore and
wanted to ask some questions about the 750. I have since been contacted by
the guy who makes all the Zenith apparel and he confirmed that only hats
were available; Mark recognized me but was engaged in a conversation with a
potential 750 buyer. I realize that Oshkosh is like the Christmas buying
season for the aviation industry and didn't cut in. No big deal.
Back to work on the project. I have maybe two month's work left to go,
that means (Considering my time estimates) I'll be flying by 2011.
Bill
do not archive
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From: Lawrence Webber <mailto:lawrencewebber@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether
maybe it was an attitude problem?
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For those of you who are looking for ZAC wear please visit the link
http://can-zacaviation.promoshop.com/
Though we try to have hats and T-shirts on hand at the booth during the show
sometimes it is just not enough as we sell out early. With such an extensive
online clothing store it is a far better selection for you to visit the
online store rather then bring samples.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
519-590-7601 www.canzac.ca
Canadian Dealer for Zenith Aircraft Kits, Zenair Designs.
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| Subject: | Re: Booth at Oshkosh |
Gentlemen:
I retired from my job in sales a couple of months ago, part of my
responsibility was working tool shows in the USA, South America and
Europe among others. I learned very quickly the American approach is
considered too aggressive in some cultures. My first time overseas our
European Salesman pointed out the reaction of some when I approached
potential customers right away, some prefer to look first and make eye
contact if they have questions. I suspect they are using that approach,
I have visited their booth at Oshkosh and Sun-N-Fun and noticed more
often than not they will wait for you to approach them. When approached
they will answer all your questions taking as long as necessary, give it
a shot the next time you visit their booth.
Regards
Clyde
601 XL
----- Original Message -----
From: JohnDRead@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:55 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Booth at Oshkosh
Gentlemen;
I think you are confusing the Zenith guys on the booth
at Oshkosh with car salesmen. I have visited them for the past five
Airventures, all of the Zenith personnel on the booth are easy to find
and easy to talk to. If you are just wandering around on the booth you
will not be bothered by a Zenith person. Zenith is a low key operation.
If you have a question just approach one of the guys on the booth and
you will get an answer.
I too would be more than ready to answer any construction
questions, limited to the CH701, that any builder might have.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 - now working on #2 with the local
school kids.
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
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| Subject: | Re: Booth at Oshkosh |
remember guys there are those that tried diss-ing the aircraft=2C then Chri
s=2C now the booth operations. some can never be pleased if there is axe
to be ground
do not archive
Larry
From: barcusc@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Booth at Oshkosh
Gentlemen:
I retired from my job in sales a couple of months ago=2C part of my respons
ibility was working tool shows in the USA=2C South America and Europe among
others. I learned very quickly the American approach is considered too agg
ressive in some cultures. My first time overseas our European Salesman poin
ted out the reaction of some when I approached potential customers right aw
ay=2C some prefer to look first and make eye contact if they have questions
. I suspect they are using that approach=2C I have visited their booth at O
shkosh and Sun-N-Fun and noticed more often than not they will wait for you
to approach them. When approached they will answer all your questions taki
ng as long as necessary=2C give it a shot the next time you visit their boo
th.
Regards
Clyde
601 XL
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From: JohnDRead@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday=2C August 05=2C 2009 7:55 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Booth at Oshkosh
Gentlemen=3B
I think you are confusing the Zenith guys on the booth at O
shkosh with car salesmen. I have visited them for the past five Airventures
=2C all of the Zenith personnel on the booth are easy to find and easy to t
alk to. If you are just wandering around on the booth you will not be bothe
red by a Zenith person. Zenith is a low key operation. If you have a questi
on just approach one of the guys on the booth and you will get an answer.
I too would be more than ready to answer any construction questions
=2C limited to the CH701=2C that any builder might have.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 - now working on #2 with the local school k
ids.
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
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| Subject: | Re: Builders dinner gettogether |
Ben you should be rightfully proud of what you accomplished=2Cwith your 80
1. the workmanship=3B especially the engine set-up is outstanding cong
ratulations on a project very well done
Larry Webber 601xl rhode island
From: n801bh@netzero.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether
I guess I should chime in here. I spent alot of last week @ OSH in the Zeni
th booth answering questions about my 801 that was displayed. All the Zenit
h guys appeared to be actively working the crowd and answering questions. I
just don't see them as being the kind of people to blow off anyone....
do not archive
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N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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From: "Mitch Hodges" <n601mh@HODGES.INFO>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Builders dinner gettogether
[quote="naumuk(at)windstream.net"]I realize that Oshkosh is like the Chr
istmas buying season for the aviation industry and didn't cut in. No big d
eal.
> ---
Never been to Oshkosh=2C but I have attended its little sister=2C Sun and F
un=2C since 1993 and each year have gone to the Zenith booth=2C where I als
o bought my (still unfinished) 601HDS kit in 1995. The "salesmanship" at
the booth has definitely become more low key over the years. The past four
or five years I've had the same experience where I've stood in the display
area for as much as 45 minutes looking at/in/around the planes and not bee
n approached by a Zenith rep of any type even though at times during the ai
rshow=2C I'm the only one "looking seriously". I know they don't know me
=2C so it has struck me as odd. Glad to see its not just me!
Now=2C if I go to the booth and engage someone they are always polite and h
elpful. But=2C I have seen more than one potential buyer walk off after no
t being helped other than by me or some other builder standing nearby and s
ee the question in the person's face.
--------
Mitch Hodges
N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
Builder Log at http://www.hodges.aero
Wings Under Perpetual Construction
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| Subject: | Re: Booth at Oshkosh |
OK, ain't no big thing. Besides, I only think of questions to ask on my
way home. Sort of like the line, "Witty repartee is defined as those
things you realize you should have said."
Paul R
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: Clyde Barcus<mailto:barcusc@comcast.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Booth at Oshkosh
Gentlemen:
I retired from my job in sales a couple of months ago, part of my
responsibility was working tool shows in the USA, South America and
Europe among others. I learned very quickly the American approach is
considered too aggressive in some cultures. My first time overseas our
European Salesman pointed out the reaction of some when I approached
potential customers right away, some prefer to look first and make eye
contact if they have questions. I suspect they are using that approach,
I have visited their booth at Oshkosh and Sun-N-Fun and noticed more
often than not they will wait for you to approach them. When approached
they will answer all your questions taking as long as necessary, give it
a shot the next time you visit their booth.
Regards
Clyde
601 XL
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From: JohnDRead@aol.com<mailto:JohnDRead@aol.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:55 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Booth at Oshkosh
Gentlemen;
I think you are confusing the Zenith guys on the
booth at Oshkosh with car salesmen. I have visited them for the past
five Airventures, all of the Zenith personnel on the booth are easy to
find and easy to talk to. If you are just wandering around on the booth
you will not be bothered by a Zenith person. Zenith is a low key
operation. If you have a question just approach one of the guys on the
booth and you will get an answer.
I too would be more than ready to answer any construction
questions, limited to the CH701, that any builder might have.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 - now working on #2 with the local
school kids.
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
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| Subject: | Re: Builders dinner gettogether |
challgren(at)mac.com wrote:
> Mitch & others:
>
> I wasn't at Oshkosh this year and have never experienced the problem
> you mentioned ...
I guess I should clarify, I wasn't really complaining or declaring it a problem,
(although I can see how it could be interpreted that way) just adding an observation
that their sales process seems to have changed over the years.
As I said "Now, if I go to the booth and engage someone they are always polite
and helpful." I've never had any issues with any of the team and/or family
members of Zenith, and I'm not a big fan of pushy sales tactics, so I wouldn't
appreciate it either.
Back to building, or at least thinking about it.
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Mitch Hodges
N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
Builder Log at http://www.hodges.aero
Wings Under Perpetual Construction
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| Subject: | Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! |
Time machine? Don't give her any ideas Scott! She'll build one of those
next.
Kevin
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sdthatcher
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:19 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!!
Congratulations Sabrina! It's great to be able to solo but it's got to be
even more fun when you do it in your own, personally built, time machine.
Sabrina wrote:
> I completed my pre-US solo training today and Jay signed me off!!!
>
>
> I will travel the country for a couple weeks and then return to Chicago.
>
>
> It will be so cool to conduct my first US solo in the airplane I built!
>
>
> Thank you Jay!
--------
Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL, EAA203 28 hours and climbing.
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