---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/12/09: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:07 AM - Canopy weather stripping (dgardea(at)gmail.com) 2. 07:35 AM - Re: Canopy weather stripping (Bryan Martin) 3. 02:18 PM - Canopy vents (lwinger) 4. 02:35 PM - Re: Canopy vents (Gig Giacona) 5. 03:18 PM - Re: Canopy vents (Bryan Martin) 6. 04:37 PM - Re: Canopy vents (Rick Lindstrom) 7. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: Canopy vents (Bill Pagan) 8. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Canopy vents (jaybannist@cs.com) 9. 05:33 PM - Re: Canopy vents (Leo Gates) 10. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: Canopy vents (Rick Lindstrom) 11. 06:57 PM - Re: Re: Canopy vents (Bryan Martin) 12. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: Canopy vents (Craig Payne) 13. 09:05 PM - Re: Canopy vents (lwinger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy weather stripping From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" When placing .016 or other flashing against the canopy acrylic, what have you all used to seal that gap against the elements? For example, have you used silicone or other sealant from a tube or have you found any weatherstripping that fits in there nicely with the edge of the aluminum flashing? On the rear bubble of my CH 650 canopy, for example, I have cut some side flashing that will follow the curve of the acrylic from the rear deck to the longerons .. see the attached picture. I'd like to take the best steps toward keeping moisture out the baggage deck and reduce wind noise from any gap there. Please let me know what solutions you folks have found that works best for you! Thanks in advance for your help. Dave Gardea 601XL - CH 650 canopy in progress - Corvair Indianapolis, IN -------- Dave Gardea 601XL - Corvair wings done - working on corvair and fuselage kit http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257280#257280 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1271_103.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:37 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy weather stripping I used some 3M automotive double sided foam tape on the front flashing. It worked really well. This is the gray tape used to attach rubber moldings to cars. I have also used it to attach a set of small fog lights to the plastic trim on the front bumper of my old Ford truck. They stayed put for four years and 68,000 miles and were still holding on when I sold the truck. Strangely enough, the tape is also fairly easy to remove if you need to. I put a strip across the top and bottom of the flashing. On the side flashing, I used some sort of rubber strip intended for installing storm door windows. It was ribbed in the area that was intended to go between the glass and the frame and had a cap set at an angle to seal the corner. I had to trim off part of the cap that was overhanging the aluminum flashing. This turned out pretty well also. On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:06 AM, dgardea(at)gmail.com wrote: > > > > When placing .016 or other flashing against the canopy acrylic, what > have you all used to seal that gap against the elements? For > example, have you used silicone or other sealant from a tube or have > you found any weatherstripping that fits in there nicely with the > edge of the aluminum flashing? On the rear bubble of my CH 650 > canopy, for example, I have cut some side flashing that will follow > the curve of the acrylic from the rear deck to the longerons .. see > the attached picture. I'd like to take the best steps toward keeping > moisture out the baggage deck and reduce wind noise from any gap > there. Please let me know what solutions you folks have found that > works best for you! Thanks in advance for your help. > > Dave Gardea > 601XL - CH 650 canopy in progress - Corvair > Indianapolis, IN > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:00 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy vents From: "lwinger" What have you used for in-canopy vents? Source info would also help. Thanks. -------- Larry Winger Tustin, CA Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair Fuselage on gear Canopy nearly complete www.mykitlog.com/lwinger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257352#257352 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:41 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents From: "Gig Giacona" lwinger wrote: > What have you used for in-canopy vents? Source info would also help. > > Thanks. Here's what I've got. I haven't installed them yet. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/vistavents.php -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257354#257354 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:29 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy vents I have a pair of eyeball vents installed in the panel connected to the NACA vents on the side of the canopy. They help some but didn't provide enough cooling on hot sunny days. I installed a pair of Vista Vents from ACS last summer and these work really well. I still have to prop the canopy open while taxiing. I also have a Koger sunshade installed that helps shield the cabin from the sun. On Aug 12, 2009, at 4:15 PM, lwinger wrote: > > What have you used for in-canopy vents? Source info would also help. > > Thanks. > > -------- > Larry Winger > Tustin, CA > Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair > Fuselage on gear > Canopy nearly complete > www.mykitlog.com/lwinger > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:22 PM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy vents Hi, Larry. Rich Vetterli used some really nice, large round vents in his canopy that not only snap out into the airstream, but also covered up a canopy crack quite nicely! I don't have a picture handy in the archive, but I'll keep looking. I think he got them from ACS. I'm using a pair of the really nice Aveo ball vents that fit neatly right in the outlet of the NACA duct. The 1.75" inch sleeve size is almost a perfect fit, it nests right in without need of much of a shim. A layer or two of gaffer's tape sealed them up well. Rick Lindstrom -----Original Message----- >From: lwinger >Sent: Aug 12, 2009 2:15 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Canopy vents > > >What have you used for in-canopy vents? Source info would also help. > >Thanks. > >-------- >Larry Winger >Tustin, CA >Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair >Fuselage on gear >Canopy nearly complete >www.mykitlog.com/lwinger > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257352#257352 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:43 PM PST US From: Bill Pagan Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents What are y'all using to cut the plexi for the 2.5" hole? Bill Pagan EAA Tech Counselor #4395 601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES) --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Gig Giacona wrote: From: Gig Giacona Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents lwinger wrote: > What have you used for in-canopy vents?- Source info would also help. > > Thanks. Here's what I've got. I haven't installed them yet. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/vistavents.php -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257354#257354 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents From: jaybannist@cs.com Bill, I cut the hole with a Dremel.? It was fitted with a special Dremel attachment that has a center point and mounts the Dremel and cutter at a specific radius (Dremel part no. 678-01 Circle Cutter & Straight Edge Guide) The cutter was a tiny drum with spiral cutting edges.? I think the cutter is bit no. 194.? Worked like a charm ! I used this same bit to do a whole lot of detailed aluminum cutting.? It will also work on thin steel, but wears out rather quickly. Jay Bannister -----Original Message----- From: Bill Pagan Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:44 pm Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents What are y'all using to cut the plexi for the 2.5" hole? Bill Pagan EAA Tech Counselor #4395 601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES) --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Gig Giacona wrote: From: Gig Giacona Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents lwinger wrote: > What have you used for in-canopy vents?? Source info would also help. > > Thanks. Here's what I've got. I haven't installed them yet. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/vistavents.php -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257354#25735om/Navigator?Zenith-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigatosp; ? ? ? ? ? ???- MATRONICS WEB FO/" ; ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Matt Dralle, List Admin========= ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:02 PM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Canopy vents Larry, I used two Plastic Eyeball Air Vents from ACS, $17.95 each in gray, black, white or beige. These are connected to NACA vents on the side of the fuselage, per ZAC, and connected via scat tubing. I installed a 120 mm square 12 volt muffin/exhaust fan, with a metal finger guard on the rear of the baggage compartment. The muffin fan is p/n 707-GDA1238-12BB, cost is $20.12, Finger Guard is p/n 5912-LZ30, cost $5.55 from Mouser Electronics, www.mouser.com. I live in South Texas, 20 miles from San Antonio, so have several HOT summers proof of concept experience. Before engine start, canopy closed, turn on muffin/exhaust fan and point left eye ball vent at my face. Slight breeze. Start engine, air is now blowing nicely on my face/upper body. The air blowing on my face is probably 95 - 100 degrees but it still cools. End of climb check list has: Turn off exhaust fan. Before landing checklist has: Turn on exhaust fan. Leo Gates N601Z CH601HDS TDO lwinger wrote: > > What have you used for in-canopy vents? Source info would also help. > > Thanks. > > -------- > Larry Winger > Tustin, CA > Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair > Fuselage on gear > Canopy nearly complete > www.mykitlog.com/lwinger > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:26 PM PST US From: Rick Lindstrom Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents Rich used a standard hole saw gently turned (slowly) by hand on warmed up plex, attacking it from both sides. It took awhile, but the results were pretty good. Rick Lindstrom ----Original Message----- From: Bill Pagan Sent: Aug 12, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents What are y'all using to cut the plexi for the 2.5" hole? Bill Pagan EAA Tech Counselor #4395 601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES) --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Gig Giacona wrote: From: Gig Giacona Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents lwinger wrote: > What have you used for in-canopy vents? Source info would also help. > > Thanks. Here's what I've got. I haven't installed them yet. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/vistavents.php -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257354#25735om/Navigator?Zenith-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigatosp; - MATRONICS WEB FO/" ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin========= ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:25 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents I used a circle cutter like this: http://www.amazon.com/General-Hardware-1-3-Hole-Cutter/dp/B00004T7P1 These are also available at Home depot and Aircraft Spruce. I have it chucked into a hand brace and turned it very carefully. I started on one side of the plexiglas and cut part way through and switched to the other side to finish it off. I did this on a warm day. On Aug 12, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Bill Pagan wrote: > What are y'all using to cut the plexi for the 2.5" hole? > > Bill Pagan > EAA Tech Counselor #4395 > 601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES) > > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:20 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents I saw Doug Dugger of Quality Sport Planes do the same in his XL canopy with the snap vent (). He lubes the cutter with WD-40 as I recall. Spruce p/n CC3251 or 05-01179. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lindstrom Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents Rich used a standard hole saw gently turned (slowly) by hand on warmed up plex, attacking it from both sides. It took awhile, but the results were pretty good. Rick Lindstrom ----Original Message----- From: Bill Pagan Sent: Aug 12, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents What are y'all using to cut the plexi for the 2.5" hole? Bill Pagan EAA Tech Counselor #4395 601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES) --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Gig Giacona wrote: From: Gig Giacona Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents lwinger wrote: > What have you used for in-canopy vents? Source info would also help. > > Thanks. Here's what I've got. I haven't installed them yet. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/vistavents.php -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257354#25735om/Navigator?Zenith-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigatosp; - MATRONICS WEB FO/" ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin========= ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Canopy vents From: "lwinger" Thanks for all the great input and practical ideas! -------- Larry Winger Tustin, CA Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair Fuselage on gear Canopy nearly complete www.mykitlog.com/lwinger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257429#257429 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.