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1. 08:29 AM - Anti Collision Lighting Requirements (MHerder)
2. 09:12 AM - Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements (Bill Pagan)
3. 09:56 AM - Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements (Gig Giacona)
4. 10:47 AM - Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements (Rick Lindstrom)
5. 12:14 PM - Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements (ALAN BEYER)
6. 02:04 PM - Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements (Rick Lindstrom)
7. 05:13 PM - Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements (Craig Payne)
8. 05:34 PM - Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements (Rick Lindstrom)
9. 06:12 PM - Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements (Paul Mulwitz)
10. 06:43 PM - Gear Width (LHusky@aol.com)
11. 09:29 PM - Re: Gear Width (Rick Lindstrom)
12. 10:51 PM - Re: Gear Width (LHusky@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
I am working on a 601, I am planning on having an aircraft that meets night VFR
requirements.
My understanding is that regardigng lighting I will require nav lights, anti collision
lights, and position lights.
My plan is to use the aero flash with strobe and nav light in each wing tip and
one position light on the tail.
I believe that this should meet the basic requirements with respect to lighting...
Correct?
My understanding is that the anti collision lights must converge within 1200 ft
of the aircraft, I think that this should comply, but I'm looking for a sanity
check. I really want to avoid having to put a strobe on the tail if possible.
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One Rivet at a Time!
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| Subject: | Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
Looks-like you should be good to go with your plan.
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
--- On Thu, 8/20/09, MHerder <michaelherder@beckgroup.com> wrote:
From: MHerder <michaelherder@beckgroup.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements
I am working on a 601, I am planning on having an aircraft that meets night
VFR requirements.
My understanding is that regardigng lighting I will require nav lights, ant
i collision lights, and position lights.
My plan is to use the aero flash with strobe and nav light in each wing tip
and one position light on the tail.-
I believe that this should meet the basic requirements with respect to ligh
ting...- Correct?
My understanding is that the anti collision lights must converge within 120
0 ft of the aircraft, I think that this should comply, but I'm looking for
a sanity check.- I really want to avoid having to put a strobe on the tai
l if possible.
--------
One Rivet at a Time!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258836#258836
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
You are good to go as written.
MHerder wrote:
> I am working on a 601, I am planning on having an aircraft that meets night VFR
requirements.
>
> My understanding is that regardigng lighting I will require nav lights, anti
collision lights, and position lights.
>
> My plan is to use the aero flash with strobe and nav light in each wing tip and
one position light on the tail.
>
> I believe that this should meet the basic requirements with respect to lighting...
Correct?
>
> My understanding is that the anti collision lights must converge within 1200
ft of the aircraft, I think that this should comply, but I'm looking for a sanity
check. I really want to avoid having to put a strobe on the tail if possible.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258860#258860
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| Subject: | Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
Hi, Mike!
I'm a big fan of the Aveo Engineering wingtip units, which combine strobe, position
lights, and rear-facing white position lights all in one unit. This means
you won't need the white position light on the tail, just the two wingtip mounted
units (which connect directly to aircraft power - no power supply box!).
Better yet, they draw a mere pittance of electrical power, will save you over 4
pounds of weight when compared to the typical strobe/power supply installation,
and come with a lifetime warranty. Best of all, they're over twice as bright
as what the regs require for airframe lighting. And since they're completely
sealed and potted in a super-tough clear acrylic material, there's no internal
condensation (as I've seen with competitors).
I was so impressed with these things when I first saw them at AirVenture 2008,
that I signed up to be a reseller (California only). We have a hard time keeping
them in stock in our retail store. A pair lists for just under $700.
I've attached a photo for your amusement.
(I'm putting a pair on my own 601XL, so if anyone needs a traditional nav/strobe/rear
position light setup, let me know. The items I'm removing have less that
120 hours on them.)
Rick Lindstrom
N42KP
-----Original Message-----
>From: MHerder <michaelherder@beckgroup.com>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2009 8:28 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements
>
>
>I am working on a 601, I am planning on having an aircraft that meets night VFR
requirements.
>
>My understanding is that regardigng lighting I will require nav lights, anti collision
lights, and position lights.
>
>My plan is to use the aero flash with strobe and nav light in each wing tip and
one position light on the tail.
>
>I believe that this should meet the basic requirements with respect to lighting...
Correct?
>
>My understanding is that the anti collision lights must converge within 1200 ft
of the aircraft, I think that this should comply, but I'm looking for a sanity
check. I really want to avoid having to put a strobe on the tail if possible.
>
>--------
>One Rivet at a Time!
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258836#258836
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
Mike,=0A=0AIf you don't like the looks of lights that look like they were m
ade from a kit from Radio Shack take a look at the lights from AeroLED's.
- I have them on my plane.- I also have their Landing/Taxi lights which
are also very nice.- See the attached pics of each.- Zenith is selling
them now (Best price around).=0Ahttp://www.aeroleds.com/=0A=0AAl from Oshk
osh=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Rick Lindstrom <
tigerrick@mindspring.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday,
August 20, 2009 12:42:10 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Anti Collision Lig
hting Requirements=0A=0AHi, Mike!=0A=0AI'm a big fan of the Aveo Engineerin
g wingtip units, which combine strobe, position lights, and rear-facing whi
te position lights all in one unit.- This means you won't need the white
position light on the tail, just the two wingtip mounted units (which conne
ct directly to aircraft power - no power supply box!).=0A=0ABetter yet, the
y draw a mere pittance of electrical power, will save you over 4 pounds of
weight when compared to the typical strobe/power supply installation, and c
ome with a lifetime warranty. Best of all, they're over twice as bright as
what the regs require for airframe lighting.- And since they're completel
y sealed and potted in a super-tough clear acrylic material, there's no int
ernal condensation (as I've seen with competitors).=0A=0AI was so impressed
with- these things when I first saw them at AirVenture 2008, that I sign
ed up to be a reseller (California only).- We have a hard time keeping th
em in stock in our retail store.- A pair lists for just under $700.=0A=0A
I've attached a photo for your amusement.=0A=0A(I'm putting a pair on my ow
n 601XL, so if anyone needs a traditional nav/strobe/rear position light se
tup, let me know.- The items I'm removing have less that 120 hours on the
m.)=0A=0ARick Lindstrom=0AN42KP=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A>Fr
om: MHerder <michaelherder@beckgroup.com>=0A>Sent: Aug 20, 2009 8:28 AM=0A>
elherder@beckgroup.com>=0A>=0A>I am working on a 601, I am planning on havi
ng an aircraft that meets night VFR requirements.=0A>=0A>My understanding i
s that regardigng lighting I will require nav lights, anti collision lights
, and position lights.=0A>=0A>My plan is to use the aero flash with strobe
and nav light in each wing tip and one position light on the tail.- =0A>
=0A>I believe that this should meet the basic requirements with respect to
lighting...- Correct?=0A>=0A>My understanding is that the anti collision
lights must converge within 1200 ft of the aircraft, I think that this shou
ld comply, but I'm looking for a sanity check.- I really want to avoid ha
ving to put a strobe on the tail if possible.=0A>=0A>--------=0A>One Rivet
at a Time!=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A>http://fo
rums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258836#258836=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>
=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
Hi, Alan!
Yeah, I'm hip to the AeroLEDs. I even went to their press conference. And you're
right, they are less expensive and offer more margin to their dealers.
However, they do have a condensation issue where moisture forms on the inside of
the lens, where the electronics are. If you saw the units mounted on aircraft
in the Glasair static display area, all of them had some level of moisture visible
inside where it couldn't be easily purged.
I hope they fix this issue, 'cause moisture and electronics don't mix very well.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: ALAN BEYER <agbeyer@sbcglobal.net>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2009 2:51 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements
>
>Mike,
>
>If you don't like the looks of lights that look like they were made from a kit
from Radio Shack take a look at the lights from AeroLED's. I have them on my
plane. I also have their Landing/Taxi lights which are also very nice. See
the attached pics of each. Zenith is selling them now (Best price around).
>http://www.aeroleds.com/
>
>Al from Oshkosh
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:42:10 PM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements
>
>Hi, Mike!
>
>I'm a big fan of the Aveo Engineering wingtip units, which combine strobe, position
lights, and rear-facing white position lights all in one unit. This means
you won't need the white position light on the tail, just the two wingtip mounted
units (which connect directly to aircraft power - no power supply box!).
>
>Better yet, they draw a mere pittance of electrical power, will save you over
4 pounds of weight when compared to the typical strobe/power supply installation,
and come with a lifetime warranty. Best of all, they're over twice as bright
as what the regs require for airframe lighting. And since they're completely
sealed and potted in a super-tough clear acrylic material, there's no internal
condensation (as I've seen with competitors).
>
>I was so impressed with these things when I first saw them at AirVenture 2008,
that I signed up to be a reseller (California only). We have a hard time keeping
them in stock in our retail store. A pair lists for just under $700.
>
>I've attached a photo for your amusement.
>
>(I'm putting a pair on my own 601XL, so if anyone needs a traditional nav/strobe/rear
position light setup, let me know. The items I'm removing have less that
120 hours on them.)
>
>Rick Lindstrom
>N42KP
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: MHerder <michaelherder@beckgroup.com>
>>Sent: Aug 20, 2009 8:28 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements
>>
>>
>>I am working on a 601, I am planning on having an aircraft that meets night VFR
requirements.
>>
>>My understanding is that regardigng lighting I will require nav lights, anti
collision lights, and position lights.
>>
>>My plan is to use the aero flash with strobe and nav light in each wing tip and
one position light on the tail.
>>
>>I believe that this should meet the basic requirements with respect to lighting...
Correct?
>>
>>My understanding is that the anti collision lights must converge within 1200
ft of the aircraft, I think that this should comply, but I'm looking for a sanity
check. I really want to avoid having to put a strobe on the tail if possible.
>>
>>--------
>>One Rivet at a Time!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258836#258836
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
So has anyone compared the visibility of xenon strobes to LED strobes from a distance?
I wonder if an LED strobe is really as visible over the same distance
as a xenon one. I know the LED strobes look bright in a display but I wonder about
in the real world.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
Hi, Craig.
I don't why the relative brightness over distance would be any different no matter
what the light source, but I do know that one of the Aveo beacon products
is often referred to as being available in "25, 50, or 75 mile" ranges. These
are all LED based beacons, the brightest one designed for the closure rates of
300+ knot capable aircraft.
Also, the minimum light output from the least expensive wingtip combo strobe/position
light package is 817 candela. This is more than double the output of what
is specified for certified aircraft.
Given the small size of my Zodiac, I wanted the brightest solution so I can be
easily seen, even in hazy daytime VFR conditions.
I'll be finishing a display shortly that compares the old and new technologies,
maybe some light readings from the two would be useful?
Rick Lindstrom
N42KP
-----Original Message-----
>From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2009 5:04 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements
>
>
>So has anyone compared the visibility of xenon strobes to LED strobes from a distance?
I wonder if an LED strobe is really as visible over the same distance
as a xenon one. I know the LED strobes look bright in a display but I wonder
about in the real world.
>
>-- Craig
>
>
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| Subject: | Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
Hi Rick,
After many years of designing electronic systems including optical
devices, I am going to make a very unusual statement (for me).
I would trust the FAA specifications and vendor guarantees for this
kind of device. These should mean it does the intended job - of
illuminating your location at night. In the daytime I would rather
depend on landing lights that are much brighter for this purpose.
Optical specifications are always very confusing. Some of them refer
to the energy emitted while other ones include the weird spectral
response of human vision in their numbers.
Paul
XL awaiting engineering changes
At 05:31 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote:
>Hi, Craig.
>
>I don't why the relative brightness over distance would be any
>different no matter what the light source, but I do know that one of
>the Aveo beacon products is often referred to as being available in
>"25, 50, or 75 mile" ranges. These are all LED based beacons, the
>brightest one designed for the closure rates of 300+ knot capable aircraft.
>
>Also, the minimum light output from the least expensive wingtip
>combo strobe/position light package is 817 candela. This is more
>than double the output of what is specified for certified aircraft.
>
>Given the small size of my Zodiac, I wanted the brightest solution
>so I can be easily seen, even in hazy daytime VFR conditions.
>
>I'll be finishing a display shortly that compares the old and new
>technologies, maybe some light readings from the two would be useful?
>
>Rick Lindstrom
>N42KP
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Can somebody tell me what the width of the 601XL gear is from the outside
of the wheel to the outside of the other wheel. I need to know so I can
take the right trailer. My current 601 has composite gear on it and I am
sure it is different.
Thanks,
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
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Hey, Larry!
Both my and Vetterli's 601s are right around 7'8" from outside to outside main
tires. With my 8' wide flatbed, there's about 2" on either side. Just fits!
And how are the boys?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: LHusky@aol.com
>Sent: Aug 20, 2009 6:43 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Gear Width
>
>
>Can somebody tell me what the width of the 601XL gear is from the outside
>of the wheel to the outside of the other wheel. I need to know so I can
>take the right trailer. My current 601 has composite gear on it and I am
>sure it is different.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Larry Husky
>Madras, Oregon
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Boys are good! How are you and how is your project. I have been out of
the loop for some time.
Thanks for the information. I did not have my plans with me.
Larry
In a message dated 8/20/2009 9:32:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tigerrick@mindspring.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Lindstrom
<tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Hey, Larry!
Both my and Vetterli's 601s are right around 7'8" from outside to outside
main tires. With my 8' wide flatbed, there's about 2" on either side.
Just fits!
And how are the boys?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: LHusky@aol.com
>Sent: Aug 20, 2009 6:43 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Gear Width
>
>
>Can somebody tell me what the width of the 601XL gear is from the outside
>of the wheel to the outside of the other wheel. I need to know so I can
>take the right trailer. My current 601 has composite gear on it and I am
>sure it is different.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Larry Husky
>Madras, Oregon
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