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1. 07:40 AM - Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! (Sabrina)
2. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! (Jay Maynard)
3. 08:12 AM - Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! (Mitch Hodges)
4. 08:50 AM - Re: Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! (Paul Mulwitz)
5. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! (Bill Naumuk)
6. 10:06 AM - Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! (Sabrina)
7. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Crank Prep (Bill Pagan)
8. 10:12 PM - Re: Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! (T. Graziano)
9. 11:42 PM - Re: Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! (Bryan Martin)
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| Subject: | Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! |
Ron,
I agree, but the Elite was an automatic! I had never driven an automatic bike
before, not even a mini-bike.
I will have to practice with the Harley over the next 88 days, or buy an inexpensive
Honda CB200 or something like that to pass the test with...
The IL SOS does not like a "minor" borrowing or renting a bike, they think the
insurance on the bike would not cover me. My dad argued that my insurance on
my two bikes would cover me riding another person's bike.
I got 5 points off for no insurance, 5 points off for having the visor up even
though it was full windshield, I got 5 points off for taking too long on the course.
That is still a pass, but they say I was only partially aligned at the
start--I could not see where that little front tire was through the wide floorboard.
Again, my fault, not theirs.
As Gig points out, everything is a learning experience. Maybe I would have gotten
into an accident that day without my dad shadowing me on a second bike, you
never know. Everything happens for a reason.
Like the NTSB report, although I disagree with it, I really believe the report
itself has saved lives. The odds are, if it were a design flaw, we should have
had another crash by now. The longer we go without another structural failure,
the more likely it is pilot error. That is probably what the FAA will
do--make us all get together with someone like Jay and go through an R22 type
training class. It may just be ground school.
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| Subject: | Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! |
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 07:39:21AM -0700, Sabrina wrote:
> Like the NTSB report, although I disagree with it, I really believe the
> report itself has saved lives. The odds are, if it were a design flaw, we
> should have had another crash by now. The longer we go without another
> structural failure, the more likely it is pilot error. That is probably
> what the FAA will do--make us all get together with someone like Jay and
> go through an R22 type training class. It may just be ground school.
Hm. I'm not sure ground school alone will get the job done. You saw how
different the elevator feel was from the 150. Could you have gotten in the
Zodiac solo and flown it successfully the first time? I know I couldn't
have.
In any event, I think the FAA will see what the insurance companies are
requiring, and decide that regulation isn't really needed. Look at the
current proposal for changes to the commercial ticket: no more retractable
gear time needed. The FAA's reasoning is that insurance companies are doing
the job for them.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, CFI-SP http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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| Subject: | Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! |
Sabrina wrote:
> Again, my fault, not theirs. ...
>
Reminds me of my two favorite DMV stories.
When I went to get my license after moving to Florida, I had to wait in a queue
for about an hour as others took their drivers test. You had to get in your
car, go through a gate to the test area. Literally 50% of the 10 or so I saw
in that period went through the gate, and drove straight out the other side having
failed. I found out why when I (successfully) took my test. The tester
said "Once you are ready, go straight through the gate, make an immediate left,
and start the course. Remember to obey all traffic signs". Problem was, there
was a stop sign (and not a small one) on the fence next to the gate. Those
that failed took the instructions literally and did not stop at the stop sign,
resulting in an automatic failure.
A similar thing happened to my oldest son when he took his test in Georgia. He
was asked to go forward, turn left, and enter the course. He made the left,
and had not gone 10 feet when he was stopped as failed. Turns out, when he made
the left turn he did not stay to the "right lane" on the parking lot lane,
that was NOT marked as a two lane road.
What did I learn from this? When I went to get my motorcycle license in Georgia,
I went through the MSF course instead (despite having ridden for 20 years)
just to avoid the DMV line/test. Plus, as with aviation, recurrent training is
never wasted money.
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Mitch Hodges
N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
Builder Log at http://www.hodges.aero
Wings Under Perpetual Construction
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| Subject: | Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! |
Hi Sabrina,
I agree with you that the NTSB report has saved lives. However, my
reason for believing that is merely that many XL flights didn't take
place because of the report. It is really hard to get killed in a
grounded plane. I am not aware of any reasonable statistics about
how many XLs were grounded and how many kept flying, but my sense
from emails and other data sources is that most of them have been
collecting dust.
My logic leads to the conclusion that as XL flying hours increase
with the LAA action and soon to be released stuff from Chris the
accidents either will or will not continue. It is only when many are
flying again that the logic of no accident means no problem applies.
I disagree with you about the FAA. I believe they have dropped the
entire subject. They cannot make experimental airplane owners do
much of anything, and even if they do have some power they don't have
any motivation. As before, each of us must make our own decision
about operating our planes safely. We should not expect any help
from the nanny state in this area.
Paul
XL awaiting engineering changes
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At 07:39 AM 9/4/2009, you wrote:
>Like the NTSB report, although I disagree with it, I really believe
>the report itself has saved lives. The odds are, if it were a
>design flaw, we should have had another crash by now. The longer
>we go without another structural failure, the more likely it is
>pilot error. That is probably what the FAA will do--make us all
>get together with someone like Jay and go through an R22 type
>training class. It may just be ground school.
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| Subject: | Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! |
Sabrina-
Maybe your Harley, the DMV, and that little guy in the back of your head
are all saying the same thing- you own too big a bike. At one time I owned a
'Glide, but it was too heavy to really enjoy riding, so I scaled back a bit.
I'm sure you're intelligent enough to realize that one size doesn't fit all.
Find something that fits you rather than fights you, although I'm sure you
can do better than a 200cc Honda!
Bill
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> I will have to practice with the Harley over the next 88 days, or buy an
> inexpensive Honda CB200 or something like that to pass the test with...
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| Subject: | Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! |
The turning radius of the 883 low is LARGER than the "U turn" diameter allowed
on the SOS course/paint markings in Aurora, IL. It is only a 5 pt deduction.
The cones are doable as Ron suggests. The swerve and stop is much easier
on the Harley than the Honda. Where I have a problem is walking the bike from
the side. I can walk it when sitting on it. I need to build up my arm and
leg strength to walk it from the side. About 15% of the riders at Sturgis
were women, at least 1/3 of those were as thin as I am. If they can do it,
so can I. I am in no hurry. Hey, I waited over a year and a half to fly my
airplane. I am really happy to have my dad run defense for me on the street,
and he really enjoys riding with me. With the full duplex blue tooth headsets
and full face helmets, it is really cool.
P.S. Bill, this is a 2009 883 low, designed for women 120-180 pounds. The shocks
are adjusted to my weight, I changed the seat out to match the length of my
legs, it is an amazingly stable bike. I just don't think it was designed to
be walked from the side--just like the Zenith, I cringe when I see people trying
to turn their XL around by pushing down on the rear fuselage as you can do
on the Cessna 150.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Crank Prep |
Thats the place!- Thanks Ron!
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
--- On Fri, 9/4/09, Ron Lendon <rlendon@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Ron Lendon <rlendon@comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair Crank Prep
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WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! |
Jay,
I believe you and any other pilot who has been trained properly could get
into the XL and fly it safely the first time- just my opinion.
Just as you can safely fly wearing combat boots and heavy gloves, because
you fly (at least I do) by sight, feel and gauges. (Instrument flying
excepted, but even then, you still just apply the only the control forces
and power settings to make the "gauges" agree with what you want.)
On my XLs maiden flight, never have flown an XL (except for a brief factory
demo flight during which I was not permitted to take off nor land, nor
stall*), I expected it to lift off, but when at about 65 kts it was still
going straight down the runway, I lifted the nose to a slight pitch up and
really enjoyed the flight and first landing.. Yes the pitch forces are
light, but not unstable. Easy to get used to.
I consider the XL easy to fly and a forgiving airplane - just keep the Gs
down to less than three, do not ham fist the stick in pitch, ride out any
turbulence, on approach be prepared to add energy and watch your sink rate
on landing.
*During a RANS S6S factory demo flight I was permitted to do the take
off, wring out the airplane, do full stalls, do touch and goes and land to a
full stop. I still liked the XL better.
Tony Graziano
XL/Jab; N493TG; 526 hrs and about 1190 landings in my XL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Maynard" <jmaynard@conmicro.com>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:04 AM
Could you have gotten in the Zodiac solo and flown it successfully the
first time? I know I couldn't have.
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, CFI-SP http://www.conmicro.com
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| Subject: | Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! |
I have to agree with you Tony. I had no experience in the XL prior to
test flying my Zodiac. I did have a few hundred hours in various
Cessna singles and I did fly several hours to get current before my
test flights. I did not find the first flights difficult in my zodiac.
I did a few crow hops first to get some feel for the handling of the
airplane close to the ground before the first real flight. The
controls are light, but are not hard to get used to. There were no
major surprizes on the first flight.
> >
>
> Jay,
> I believe you and any other pilot who has been trained properly
> could get into the XL and fly it safely the first time- just my
> opinion.
> Just as you can safely fly wearing combat boots and heavy gloves,
> because you fly (at least I do) by sight, feel and gauges. ...
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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