---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/05/09: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:51 AM - Re: Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! (Leo Gates) 2. 10:27 AM - HD/HDS Gear Question (Bill Naumuk) 3. 10:55 AM - Re: HD/HDS Gear Question (Bill Naumuk) 4. 11:09 AM - Re: HD/HDS Gear Question (Paul Mulwitz) 5. 11:51 AM - 601XL Rotax 912 parts (Tommy Walker) 6. 12:18 PM - Re: HD/HDS Gear Question (Bill Naumuk) 7. 01:36 PM - Re: HD/HDS Gear Question (LarryMcFarland) 8. 02:50 PM - Re: HD/HDS Gear Question (Bill Naumuk) 9. 04:51 PM - Re: HD/HDS Gear Question (Bill Naumuk) 10. 06:16 PM - My Panel is back and In!!! (lwhitlow) 11. 07:24 PM - Re: 601XL Rotax 912 parts (Craig Payne) 12. 07:43 PM - Re: HD/HDS Gear Question (Craig Payne) 13. 07:46 PM - Re: 601XL Rotax 912 parts (Tommy Walker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:33 AM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!! My DMV experience: In 1957 - just a few years ago for me - I was assigned by the Air Force to California. I decided to get a California drivers license since I would be there a few years. I had a 1957 Pontiac convertible that I had installed seat belts in. The inspector, a gray haired old guy about my present age, got in but refused to use the passenger seat belt. I buckled mine. I got a perfect score on the test, but lost one point for using dangerous unauthorized equipment - seat belts. Time and thinking changes, Leo Gates N601Z, CH601HDS TDO Do not archive. Sabrina wrote: > > Lucky I did not hold off my first solo flight until after I passed the M test---I failed! > > I could not get around the cones with the 883 even at home, so I did not try that. > > They would not let me use my 125cc bored out to 150cc Honda CB since it was registered as a "less than 150cc" bike. > > So I rented a Honda 150 Elite. > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:28 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question All- Plans call for AN-4 bolts to hold gear forks to struts. Didn't receive enough AN-4 bolts to complete the assembly, but found enough AN-5 hardware to do the job, separate from the hardware kits. Did Zenith upgrade to AN-5 bolts? What are you XL people supposed to use? Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS N601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:05 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question Update- ALSO found enough A4 hardware to do the job, but not what's called out on the plans. I'm on the last legs and have enough hardware left to choke a horse, and no plan reference for it!! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith list Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question All- Plans call for AN-4 bolts to hold gear forks to struts. Didn't receive enough AN-4 bolts to complete the assembly, but found enough AN-5 hardware to do the job, separate from the hardware kits. Did Zenith upgrade to AN-5 bolts? What are you XL people supposed to use? Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS N601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:00 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question Hi Bill, You should build according to the plans. What got shipped from Zenith or any other vendor is a somewhat random process. You shouldn't change the design of your plane because some kid reached into the wrong bin for parts. It is easy to order AN hardware from Aircraft Spruce or a number of other sources. In some cases Zenith will send you replacement parts for free. In other cases they will charge you considerably more than you can get it elsewhere and charge you shipping on top of that. Good luck, Paul XL awaiting engineering changes. At 10:54 AM 9/5/2009, you wrote: >Update- > ALSO found enough A4 hardware to do the job, but not what's > called out on the plans. I'm on the last legs and have enough > hardware left to choke a horse, and no plan reference for it!! > >Bill ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:08 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Rotax 912 parts From: "Tommy Walker" Listers, I have for sale: 1. Rotax 912 ULS Muffler assy from a 601XL Czech Built. The stainless steel muffler is in good shape. Engine had 380 hrs on it. I bought the engine from another owner and it will not fit with my Rotax Ring Mount installation. I will sell it for $200.00 OBO plus shipping. The new muffler assembly I just bought from Zenith was $900.00. Shipping from Mexico, MO to Anniston, AL was about 10.00 UPS. This muffler is for the 601XL bed mount setup. It will NOT fit the Ring mount setup. If it is as not as advertised, I will refund your money and take it back, less shipping charges. Just thought someone might have a use for it. 2. Rotax 912 Carb Air Box. I used the Zenith setup and the air box will not fit. This thing costs over $1000.00 from Rotax. I will sell it for $150.00 OBO plus shipping charges. Again, I have no use for it and thought some builder somewhere would have a use for it. I don't know what the shipping charges would be but it will be less than the muffler, I'm sure. Contact me offline at twalker@cableone.net if you are interested. -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261612#261612 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:30 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question All- Never mind, I found ANOTHER 18 bolt sets. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question Update- ALSO found enough A4 hardware to do the job, but not what's called out on the plans. I'm on the last legs and have enough hardware left to choke a horse, and no plan reference for it!! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Naumuk To: zenith list Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question All- Plans call for AN-4 bolts to hold gear forks to struts. Didn't receive enough AN-4 bolts to complete the assembly, but found enough AN-5 hardware to do the job, separate from the hardware kits. Did Zenith upgrade to AN-5 bolts? What are you XL people supposed to use? Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS N601MG/Corvair 95% href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:28 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question AN-4 are very up to the job Bill, But if the bolts don't get in the way between strut, attach plate welds on top and the tire tread under the fork, you're AN5s are probably good enough. I couldn't find enough space between welds and the hole pattern for the forks to use AN5. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Bill Naumuk wrote: > All- > Plans call for AN-4 bolts to hold gear forks to struts. Didn't > receive enough AN-4 bolts to complete the assembly, but found enough > AN-5 hardware to do the job, separate from the hardware kits. > Did Zenith upgrade to AN-5 bolts? What are you XL people supposed > to use? > Bill Naumuk > Townville, Pa. > HDS N601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:01 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question Larry- I wound up with a PILE of AN-5 and AN-6 bolts that aren't called out anywhere on the plans. I finally found 18 sets of AN-4-5 that worked quite well. Nose gear is complete; carving out the right main at the moment. Had to use a cutoff wheel in my circular saw to cut the 1/4" aluminum to size. Looks like I'll have to jack the cradle up to install the wheels and brakes when the time comes. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question > > AN-4 are very up to the job Bill, > But if the bolts don't get in the way between strut, attach plate welds on > top and the tire tread under the fork, you're AN5s are probably good > enough. > I couldn't find enough space between welds and the hole pattern for the > forks to use AN5. > > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > > Bill Naumuk wrote: >> All- >> Plans call for AN-4 bolts to hold gear forks to struts. Didn't >> receive enough AN-4 bolts to complete the assembly, but found enough AN-5 >> hardware to do the job, separate from the hardware kits. >> Did Zenith upgrade to AN-5 bolts? What are you XL people supposed to >> use? >> Bill Naumuk >> Townville, Pa. >> HDS N601MG/Corvair 95% > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:36 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question All- I thought I was corresponding directly with Larry, but I guess not. This was the most deceiving picture I've ever taken. When I looked at it, I thought "Oh my God, I put the fork in backward, and the two pieces separated". All parallax. If I took a picture 90 degrees to the side, it would look just like the print. Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Naumuk" Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question > Larry- > I wound up with a PILE of AN-5 and AN-6 bolts that aren't called out > anywhere on the plans. I finally found 18 sets of AN-4-5 that worked quite > well. Nose gear is complete; carving out the right main at the moment. Had > to use a cutoff wheel in my circular saw to cut the 1/4" aluminum to size. > Looks like I'll have to jack the cradle up to install the wheels and > brakes > when the time comes. > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LarryMcFarland" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 4:34 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question > > >> >> AN-4 are very up to the job Bill, >> But if the bolts don't get in the way between strut, attach plate welds >> on >> top and the tire tread under the fork, you're AN5s are probably good >> enough. >> I couldn't find enough space between welds and the hole pattern for the >> forks to use AN5. >> >> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com >> >> Bill Naumuk wrote: >>> All- >>> Plans call for AN-4 bolts to hold gear forks to struts. Didn't >>> receive enough AN-4 bolts to complete the assembly, but found enough >>> AN-5 >>> hardware to do the job, separate from the hardware kits. >>> Did Zenith upgrade to AN-5 bolts? What are you XL people supposed to >>> use? >>> Bill Naumuk >>> Townville, Pa. >>> HDS N601MG/Corvair 95% >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:07 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: My Panel is back and In!!! From: "lwhitlow" Hi All I just got my panels back from the silk screener. They turned out great!!! I did try that decal system that makes decals from the special laser printer paper but I never could get results that I liked. I know other have had great success with it but I couldn't get it to work well for me. I opted to send the panels out to get the markings silk screened on. I laid out the art myself on a full size CAD and made and Illustrator file and the silk screen boys took it from there. Total cost was $220 dollars and only a couple of days!! One of the advantages of being close to Chicago, The silk screeners were only 5 blocks from my office. Pictures below!! Larry 601XL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261665#261665 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0131_108.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0130_930.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:00 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Rotax 912 parts Note that to make a stock Rotax air box into what Skyshops used to deliver with their old 701 FWF kit (bed mount) the center section must be cut out and rotated. I've attached their drawings. I don't know if the same was done for a 601. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Walker Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Rotax 912 parts Listers, I have for sale: 1. Rotax 912 ULS Muffler assy from a 601XL Czech Built. The stainless steel muffler is in good shape. Engine had 380 hrs on it. I bought the engine from another owner and it will not fit with my Rotax Ring Mount installation. I will sell it for $200.00 OBO plus shipping. The new muffler assembly I just bought from Zenith was $900.00. Shipping from Mexico, MO to Anniston, AL was about 10.00 UPS. This muffler is for the 601XL bed mount setup. It will NOT fit the Ring mount setup. If it is as not as advertised, I will refund your money and take it back, less shipping charges. Just thought someone might have a use for it. 2. Rotax 912 Carb Air Box. I used the Zenith setup and the air box will not fit. This thing costs over $1000.00 from Rotax. I will sell it for $150.00 OBO plus shipping charges. Again, I have no use for it and thought some builder somewhere would have a use for it. I don't know what the shipping charges would be but it will be less than the muffler, I'm sure. Contact me offline at twalker@cableone.net if you are interested. -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261612#261612 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:20 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question On the XL the plans call for AN4-10A on the front gear fork. That is with the fork doubler. There are six bolts, 4 at the corners and two left and right with the center line of the side holes 8 mm in from the edge. -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:27 AM Subject: Zenith-List: HD/HDS Gear Question All- Plans call for AN-4 bolts to hold gear forks to struts. Didn't receive enough AN-4 bolts to complete the assembly, but found enough AN-5 hardware to do the job, separate from the hardware kits. Did Zenith upgrade to AN-5 bolts? What are you XL people supposed to use? Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS N601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:15 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Rotax 912 parts From: "Tommy Walker" This one has not been modified. Tommy Walker in Alabama craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote: > Note that to make a stock Rotax air box into what Skyshops used to deliver > with their old 701 FWF kit (bed mount) the center section must be cut out > and rotated. I've attached their drawings. I don't know if the same was done > for a 601. > > -- Craig > > -- -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261680#261680 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.