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1. 04:52 AM - Re: Re: CAD drawing of 650 exterior (jaybannist@cs.com)
2. 06:09 AM - Re: Throttle and mixture control (Gig Giacona)
3. 07:17 AM - Re: MSC industrial supply co. (Bill Naumuk)
4. 10:11 AM - Re: 601HDS - VDO Senders in LE Tanks (checking Ohm) (Clive Richards)
5. 12:44 PM - Re: A bloody safety note for annual inspection (Dan Wilde)
6. 02:18 PM - Re: Throttle and mixture control (PatrickW)
7. 03:04 PM - 650 drawings (jaybannist@cs.com)
8. 03:04 PM - 605 drawings (jaybannist@cs.com)
9. 03:15 PM - Re: 605 drawings (lwinger)
10. 05:01 PM - 601xl flap hinge (leinad)
11. 05:17 PM - Re: 601xl flap hinge (Paul Mulwitz)
12. 05:28 PM - Re: 601xl flap hinge (John Davis)
13. 05:32 PM - Aileron Trim Tab Motor access. (leinad)
14. 05:52 PM - Re: Aileron Trim Tab Motor access. (Rene Felker)
15. 06:14 PM - Re: Aileron Trim Tab Motor access. (Paul Mulwitz)
16. 07:13 PM - Re: MSC industrial supply co. (Lawrence Webber)
17. 09:52 PM - First flight (Mark Stauffer)
18. 10:09 PM - Re: First flight (Sabrina)
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| Subject: | Re: CAD drawing of 650 exterior |
Larry,
I will try to get the ZAC drawings that show how to convert an XL to a 650.? If
I can get enough information, I will alter the XL CAD drawing and send it to
you.
Jay B
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From: lwinger <larrywinger@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2009 9:01 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CAD drawing of 650 exterior
Thanks, Jay. Very helpful.
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Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair
Polishing fuselage /ready for FWF
www.mykitlog.com/lwinger
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle and mixture control |
Vernier is great for mixture. Not so much for throttle.
Here are the ACS Parts numbers I used...
Mixture 05-07848 A-750 CONTROL 48" RED KNOB
Throttle 05-08660 A-800 CONTROL 5 BLACK KNOB
Carb Heat 05-14300 PLAIN DURAL KNOB CONTROL 8
I could have gotten away with a shorter carb heat but it was very easy to adjust
the length.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: MSC industrial supply co. |
Carlos-
You're not the only one who got bit by MSC. My condolences.
It has nothing to do with trans-border shipping, MSC charges a flat
$10 US "Handling fee" per order (Or at least they used to). MSC
primarily deals with tool shops and the like that maintain open accounts
and seem to make a point of raping the little guy. I bought 2 ball mills
from them that cataloged at about $7 US and was charged $16 for
shipping. They would have fit in an envelope!!
One lister said he could drop ship you bits for about $2 each. He
didn't notice the 12" length, but you probably could have found them
locally for a lot less money. I bought my 16"x 5/16" bit at TrueValue
Hardware for $15.95 US.
Hang in there, bud.
Bill
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From: Carlos Sa
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:22 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: MSC industrial supply co.
Something that perhaps will amuse you...
The other day I tried to order a couple of items from MacMaster-Carr,
when I had the disappointing surprise: they don't do exports anymore -
"Thank you for your order. Unfortunately, due to the ever increasing
complexity of United States export regulations, McMaster-Carr will only
process orders from a few long-established customers in Canada. We
sincerely regret any inconvenience this causes you. ".
So, I did some Googling, found MSC, and proceeded to order two UHMW
bars (for the CH601-HD gear slides) and 2 x 5/32X12" drill bits.
The costs were: 2 times 6.86 for the UHMW and and 2 times 18.88 for
the drill bits.
Later, I received a confirmation that included the following info:
Drill bits:
Merchandise Subtotal: $37.76
Shipping, Handling & Surcharge: $11.83
Sales Tax: $.00
P/S Total: $49.59
UHMW bars:
Merchandise Subtotal: $13.72
Shipping, Handling & Surcharge: $16.65
Sales Tax: $.00
P/S Total: $30.37
Note the two shipping charges ! ! ! I later found out that the
shipping would be from two distinct stores/warehouses !!!
One of the parcels arrived today - the drill bits.
Via the dreaded UPS! (the MSC web site does not offer a choice of
shipping methods, or I would have chosen donkey, or something similar).
And, not surprisingly, UPS charged me the outrageous brokerage fee:
CD$38 ! ! !
ARGH ! ! !$87 bucks for a couple of drill bits !!!!
I can't wait until the UHMW bars arrive (tomorrow)... Sigh...
Carlos
do not archive, it is too embarrassing.
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| Subject: | Re: 601HDS - VDO Senders in LE Tanks (checking Ohm) |
Gary
Thanks for info all gauges I have previously come across on
cars always had the lower resistance for full I assume electronics have
changed things. The senders on a 701 are off a V W Beetle.
Clive
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From: Gary Ray
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS - VDO Senders in LE Tanks (checking
Ohm)
Clive
I don't know which sender units are used on Zenith 701 aircraft. I
know VDO makes sending units with 0-90 and 240-33 ohms. I did not know
Zenith
used different senders on different models. I am going to assume that
your 240-33 ohm unit is reversed as the numbers are reversed however for
the 10-180 ohm unit
it is set up so 10 ohms is empty and 180 ohms when full. The fuel
gauges must match the ohms of the sending unit.
My 601XL kit came with the following:
Mounting Kit with standard VDO resistance, 10-180 Ohm, part number 226
002
I used matching Autometer fuel gauges.
Installation PDF @
http://www.egauges.com/pdf/vdo/0-515-010-396.pdf
Exerpt states:
Fuel Level Sender Installation
The Fuel Level Sender has a resistance rating of 10W when the
tank is empty and 180W when full.
So my original statement is correct. The gauge will show over full
with any increase in resistance above 180 ohms.
Gary Ray davgray@sbcglobal.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Clive Richards
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS - VDO Senders in LE Tanks (checking
Ohm)
Gary
I question your sense the VDO gauge senders supplied
for the 701 are 70 ohms Empty & 10 ohms FULL unfortunately the gauges
supplied are 60/90 empty 0.5 ohms full.
The senders we bought & fitted to the HD were 240 empty & 33 ohms
full with matching gauges.
You can check the sense by connecting the gauge supply with sender
disconnected I think you will fined it reads less than empty. and
shorting sender terminal to negative will give over full.
Clive
G-CBDG 330 Hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Ray
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601HDS - VDO Senders in LE Tanks
(checking Ohm)
Mitch
For practice and checking the function of your meter, try
measuring several resistors with a known value. The meter should read
very close without fluctuations.
If you get the expected value with fluctuation higher you probably
have a loose wire connection in one of your test leads.
The VDO senders should read between 10 and 180 ohms(Empty-Full).
Also, Practice voltage readings on batteries etc. to gain
experience.
One more point for later, a broken wire or corroded connection
from the VDO sender to the instrument panel fuel gauge will be a higher
resistance than 180 ohms which causes the fuel gauge to show a very full
tank indication when you actually have much less fuel in the tank. Ten
ohms is an empty tank, 180 ohms is a full tank, and anything causing
resistance above 180 ohms will show a very full tank.
For this reason be sure to visually check your tanks before flight
and observe that the gauges are in agreement with the visual.
Gary Ray
davgray@sbcglobal.net
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| Subject: | Re: A bloody safety note for annual inspection |
Larry: Don't feel alone. I drilled thru my finger when I was building
my 701. My wife was not amused.
Good tip on removing the spark plugs. I will be doing my annual next month.
Dan Wilde
N948DW
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle and mixture control |
Hey Gig - would those cables you ordered have been long enough if you'd wanted
to install just a single set of controls on the left side? You're going with
the Corvair and MA3-SPA, right?
I plan to install a single set of these controls on the left side.
How feasible is it to adjust the length of the other two controls (throttle, mixture)
if need be? Is it just a simple matter of cutting them to size, or do
they have some kind of fancy end...?
Thanks,
Patrick
N63PZ
XL/650/Corvair
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Patrick
XL/650/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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I guess the subject line of that last post should have been "650 drawings" and
not "605 drawings".? A little dyslexia, there.
Jay Bannister
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Larry,
Near as I can tell from the drawings you sent and the XL drawings I have, this
is what a tri-gear 650 with a WW cowling would look like.? Just don't look too
closely at them.? I made them in a pretty big hurry, so not strictly "kosher"
from a CAD standpoint.
Jay Bannister
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| Subject: | Re: 605 drawings |
Great work, Jay. I can't believe you cranked that out in just a few hours. I
owe you. Maybe I should say "we owe you" when I include future 650/Corvair builders.
Thanks.
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Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
Plans building 601XL/650 with Corvair
Polishing fuselage /ready for FWF
www.mykitlog.com/lwinger
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| Subject: | 601xl flap hinge |
Long ago I some how I purchased 6' long piano hinges for the flaps and now I'm
building the flaps. The drawing calls for 7' long pieces. The actual cut length
is 6'-6". I've got 3 pieces and am wondering if anyone knows if it's OK
to splice it. Otherwise is there a good source for long piano hinges. I've looked
at ACS and McMaster. I meant to call ACS today to see if they can get it,
but it got to late in the day.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl flap hinge |
Hi Dan,
Congratulations. This is the first really interesting question I
have heard in a long time. It is completely new to me and fun to
think about. After some 5 years on this list, I must say it is a
rare event indeed when a really new question comes up.
I would "Splice" the hinges before installing them by cutting one
piece considerably shorter than the other after removing the hinge
pin. When done this would give you a piano hinge with two breaks but
the break on one side would be in a very different position on the
length of the hinge from the other side. Once the hinge is riveted
to the wing and flap I don't think this difference would be
noticeable by either the hinge or anyone looking at it. If you
really want to obsess over this you could always weld the two pieces
on each side of the hinge together.
I suppose this is the sort of question best answered by the engineers
at Zenith, but I feel confident they would go along with this kind of
solution.
Have fun,
Paul
XL awaiting engineering changes
At 05:01 PM 9/22/2009, you wrote:
>Long ago I some how I purchased 6' long piano hinges for the flaps
>and now I'm building the flaps. The drawing calls for 7' long
>pieces. The actual cut length is 6'-6". I've got 3 pieces and am
>wondering if anyone knows if it's OK to splice it. Otherwise is
>there a good source for long piano hinges. I've looked at ACS and
>McMaster. I meant to call ACS today to see if they can get it, but
>it got to late in the day.
>Dan
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| Subject: | Re: 601xl flap hinge |
Hi Dan,
Zenith will sell you the hinge material.
John Davis
N601JD
601XL - Jab 3300
leinad wrote:
>
> Long ago I some how I purchased 6' long piano hinges for the flaps and now I'm
building the flaps. The drawing calls for 7' long pieces. The actual cut
length is 6'-6". I've got 3 pieces and am wondering if anyone knows if it's OK
to splice it. Otherwise is there a good source for long piano hinges. I've
looked at ACS and McMaster. I meant to call ACS today to see if they can get
it, but it got to late in the day.
> Dan
>
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> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264405#264405
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| Subject: | Aileron Trim Tab Motor access. |
I was about to cut the access hole for the aileron trim tab motor in my aileron
and I had an idea that I'm wondering if anyone else has tried. Instead of putting
the access cover in the bottom of the aileron, put it in the top where the
motor goes, then attach the motor to it. The hole motor would come out when
you remove the cover.
When I did the elevator trim I found it frustrating getting the motor bolted in
place with my hands working through that tiny access cover. The motor was held
on by tiny nylock nuts inside the aileron, and I must have dropped them a hundred
times. I remember my hands getting cramps.
Any thoughts? Has any done it this way?
Thanks in advance.
Dan
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| Subject: | Aileron Trim Tab Motor access. |
That is the way I did my rudder trim on my RV-10, but I do not know if it is
applicable here.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of leinad
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:32 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Aileron Trim Tab Motor access.
I was about to cut the access hole for the aileron trim tab motor in my
aileron and I had an idea that I'm wondering if anyone else has tried.
Instead of putting the access cover in the bottom of the aileron, put it in
the top where the motor goes, then attach the motor to it. The hole motor
would come out when you remove the cover.
When I did the elevator trim I found it frustrating getting the motor bolted
in place with my hands working through that tiny access cover. The motor
was held on by tiny nylock nuts inside the aileron, and I must have dropped
them a hundred times. I remember my hands getting cramps.
Any thoughts? Has any done it this way?
Thanks in advance.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim Tab Motor access. |
Hi Dan,
One issue with this approach is water leaking into the trim
motor. This is indeed a problem in the Tecnam Echo I am currently
flying. Apparently the only real solution if the motor gets wet is
to replace it.
Paul
XL awaiting engineering changes
At 05:32 PM 9/22/2009, you wrote:
>I was about to cut the access hole for the aileron trim tab motor in
>my aileron and I had an idea that I'm wondering if anyone else has
>tried. Instead of putting the access cover in the bottom of the
>aileron, put it in the top where the motor goes, then attach the
>motor to it. The hole motor would come out when you remove the cover.
>
>When I did the elevator trim I found it frustrating getting the
>motor bolted in place with my hands working through that tiny access
>cover. The motor was held on by tiny nylock nuts inside the
>aileron, and I must have dropped them a hundred times. I remember
>my hands getting cramps.
>
>Any thoughts? Has any done it this way?
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Dan
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| Subject: | MSC industrial supply co. |
In the future if you want i will get the small items for you and then send
them to you try this once and see if you can save a few bucks willing
ti give it a try for you
Larry
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: MSC industrial supply co.
From: carlossa52@gmail.com
Larry=2C I am in Montreal=2C QC=2C Canada
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2009/9/21 Lawrence Webber <lawrencewebber@hotmail.com>
Carlos where did they ship to ? where is your location?
Larry Webber
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Just wanted to let you know and encourage those that are still building
that:
Tonight I flew my 601XL for the first time. This is after 6 years, 8 months
and over 1500 hours of build time. The plane flew great and is powered by a
Jabiru 3300.
It was a short 20 minute flight over the airport. Thankfully the entire
flight was un-eventful. Many thanks to Sebastien, Nick, Roger and Caleb at
Zenith and Pete, Ben and Nick at Jabiru USA.
It took awhile but it was well worth it.
Keep building.
Mark
Mark Stauffer
SN 6-4999
Jabiru 3300
762 lbs empty
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Congrats!
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