---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/26/09: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:54 AM - Re: centre wing measurement check (601-HD(S) ) (LarryMcFarland) 2. 08:16 AM - Re: centre wing measurement check (601-HD(S) ) (Carlos Sa) 3. 09:14 AM - Re: IE compression (Bill Naumuk) 4. 09:25 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 09/25/09 (maxjohansson@elisanet.fi) 5. 10:26 AM - Re: centre wing measurement check (601-HD(S) ) (Bill Naumuk) 6. 11:21 AM - Re: centre wing measurement check (601-HD(S) ) (Carlos Sa) 7. 11:59 AM - Re: centre wing measurement check (601-HD(S) ) (Bill Naumuk) 8. 03:50 PM - Re:HI,z (Ron Lalonde) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:34 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: centre wing measurement check (601-HD(S) ) Hi Carlos, The diagonal channel made per drawing was too short on mine too, so I made another that did fit. The crank arm would resolve its clearance if you reduce the overlap to 19mm. This drawing is not the best example from Zenith, but logic says that a centered rear bearing hole and a crank arm having the necessary clearance is the target. If you modify this in minor ways to get there, you've got the right idea. There won't be any binding or misalignment that fouls things here or at the other end of the pivot tube. I do like the example done by Therrien though. Note the spacer at the front of the channel to get radius clearance for the crank arm. Sometimes just a little bit of variation is required. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/controltubeSm.gif Best regards, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Carlos Sa wrote: > Hello, all > > > I am ready to drill the "rear bearing assembly" 6V12-2 to the "rear > bearing channel" 6V12-6, but I suspect something is not right: > To have the torque tube 6V13-3 perfectly horizontal, the overlap > between 6V12-2 and 6V12-6 needs to be 25 mm, while the plans show 19 mm. > In addition to that, the channel 6V13-4 is too short to be installed > diagonally, as per plans. It fits perfectly if assembled the way Jeff > Small ( http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/ch601prjjs.htm ) and Michel > Therrien ( http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/chcontrols3.htm ) did. > I'll probably use the same approach, but that's beside the point - it > bothers me that things are looking so out of whack. > So far I have managed to assemble everything with little deviation > from plans (1 or 2 mm in large assemblies); this is the first real > "disagreement" between plans and reality (or at least my version of > reality). > > Could someone measure and post the following: > Distance between the bottom of the torque tube's horn (the part that > attaches to the aileron cables) and the bottom skin, i.e., the > clearance between that part and the skin. It should be in the 20 mm > range; I have ~17 mm. > Overlap between 6V12-2 and 6V12-6 - the plans say 19 mm, I have 25 mm. > Distance between 6V12-6 and 6V12-5 (this would be the length of the U > channel 6V13-4 if it were installed parallel to the fuselage axis). I > have 385 mm. > > I know this can be a pain to measure, but it would reassure me and > allow me to do some work this weekend (or not...). > > > Thanks much, and have a good weekend. > > > Carlos > Ch601-HD, plans - one puzzle at a time > Montreal, Canada > > * > * ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: centre wing measurement check (601-HD(S) ) From: Carlos Sa Good morning, Larry Except for the measurement discrepancy I described, I have all the parts in their proper position and clear of interference. The spar is perpendicular to the torque tube, and it turns smoothly. The crank arm clears the bottom skin by some 17 mm. (Reducing the overlap to 19 mm would put the torque tube in a position not perpendicular to the spar. It needs ~25mm overlap.) Thanks for the feedback, I feel it is safe to proceed. Regards Carlos 2009/9/26 LarryMcFarland > > Hi Carlos, > The diagonal channel made per drawing was too short on mine too, so I made > another that did fit. The crank arm would resolve its clearance > if you reduce the overlap to 19mm. This drawing is not the best example > from Zenith, but logic says that a centered rear bearing hole and > a crank arm having the necessary clearance is the target. If you modify > this in minor ways to get there, you've got the right idea. There won't > be any binding or misalignment that fouls things here or at the other end > of the pivot tube. I do like the example done by Therrien though. > Note the spacer at the front of the channel to get radius clearance for the > crank arm. Sometimes just a little bit of variation is required. > http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/controltubeSm.gif > > Best regards, > > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:46 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: IE compression Craig- Internet Explorer/Outlook Express. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:00 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: IE compression IE as in Internet Explorer the web browser? Are you thinking of the Outlook or Outlook Express e-mail clients? -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 4:42 PM To: zenith list Subject: Zenith-List: IE compression All- This has nothing to do with the list, but does anyone know what file IE periodically sends your messages to when it compresses them? I have a ton of information I can't find. do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS N601MG/Corvair 95% http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:17 AM PST US From: maxjohansson@elisanet.fi Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 09/25/09 Zenith-List Digest Server [zenith-list@matronics.com] kirjoitti: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Zenith-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. 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(Gary Gower) > 3. 03:42 PM - IE compression (Bill Naumuk) > 4. 04:04 PM - Re: IE compression (Craig Payne) > 5. 07:42 PM - centre wing measurement check (601-HD(S) ) (Carlos Sa) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:05:55 AM PST US > From: "Clyde Barcus" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aviation nuts, bolts, washers & cotter keys > > Hi Elden: > > I finally got some time to work on sorting the aviation hardware bought, > so far I have 3,827 AN4H-5A, I have various sizes from AN3 up to AN8 but > not in the high quanity of the AN4, in most cases 100 to 300 but I have > a long way to go. I have nuts in the thousands including tension,I also > have some close tolerance and high shear bolts. The price will be > roughly one third of retail, let me know if you still have interest. You > and three others who responded will have first opportunity before I try > to sell whatever is left, of course, after I determine what to keep for > myself. > > Regards > > Clyde Barcus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elden Jacobson > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 3:57 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aviation nuts, bolts, washers & cotter keys > > > Clyde, > > I would be pleased to see such a list when you have compiled it. > > Thanks, > > Elden Jacobson > xl/3300 Do not archive > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Clyde Barcus wrote: > > > From: Clyde Barcus > Subject: Zenith-List: Aviation nuts, bolts, washers & cotter > keys > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 3:04 AM > > > Gentlemen > > I purchased a huge amount (At least it is to me) of aviation > nuts, bolts, washers, etc at an estate sale. The gentlemen was an A&P > and had a very large assortment of fasteners, I made a deal with his > brother for all of it, unfortunately his brother was aware of it value > but I still managed to pay a reasonable price. I plan on taking what I > need and selling the rest, I don't know for sure at this time but I am > certain it will be less than half price for the rest which will be quite > a lot. I didn't buy this to make money, I just could not pass it up. I > will sell it in small quanties or the whole lot, let me know if you have > interest and I will send a list as soon as I have one. > > Regards > > Clyde > 601XL > barcusc@comcast.net > > > el=nofollow > target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:40:10 PM PST US > From: Gary Gower > Subject: Zenith-List: Noise level of the Rotax 912S powered 701 STOL. > > Hello List. > - > Some one could advise me where I can-get an Official data (scanned paper) > - about the noise level of the 701 engine?- > - > Probably some owner in Europe... > - > I will appreciate very much your help.-- > - > Saludos > Gary Gower > Flying from Chapala, Mexico. > 701 912S- 263 hrs > 601 XL- Jab 3300- working on wings. > Bourocrats....- :-( > -=0A=0A=0A > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:42:20 PM PST US > From: "Bill Naumuk" > Subject: Zenith-List: IE compression > > All- > This has nothing to do with the list, but does anyone know what file > IE periodically sends your messages to when it compresses them? I have a > ton of information I can't find. > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > Townville, Pa. > HDS N601MG/Corvair 95% > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:04:19 PM PST US > From: "Craig Payne" > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: IE compression > > IE as in Internet Explorer the web browser? Are you thinking of the Outlook > or Outlook Express e-mail clients? > > > -- Craig > > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 4:42 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: IE compression > > > All- > > This has nothing to do with the list, but does anyone know what file IE > periodically sends your messages to when it compresses them? I have a ton of > information I can't find. > > do not archive > > Bill Naumuk > Townville, Pa. > HDS N601MG/Corvair 95% > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:42:12 PM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: centre wing measurement check (601-HD(S) ) > From: Carlos Sa > > Hello, all > > > I am ready to drill the "rear bearing assembly" 6V12-2 to the "rear bearing > channel" 6V12-6, but I suspect something is not right: > To have the torque tube 6V13-3 perfectly horizontal, the overlap between > 6V12-2 and 6V12-6 needs to be 25 mm, while the plans show 19 mm. > In addition to that, the channel 6V13-4 is too short to be installed > diagonally, as per plans. It fits perfectly if assembled the way Jeff Small > ( http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/ch601prjjs.htm ) and Michel Therrien ( > http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/chcontrols3.htm ) did. I'll probably use > the same approach, but that's beside the point - it bothers me that things > are looking so out of whack. > So far I have managed to assemble everything with little deviation from > plans (1 or 2 mm in large assemblies); this is the first real "disagreement" > between plans and reality (or at least my version of reality). > > Could someone measure and post the following: > Distance between the bottom of the torque tube's horn (the part that > attaches to the aileron cables) and the bottom skin, i.e., the clearance > between that part and the skin. It should be in the 20 mm range; I have ~17 > mm. > Overlap between 6V12-2 and 6V12-6 - the plans say 19 mm, I have 25 mm. > Distance between 6V12-6 and 6V12-5 (this would be the length of the U > channel 6V13-4 if it were installed parallel to the fuselage axis). I have > 385 mm. > > I know this can be a pain to measure, but it would reassure me and allow me > to do some work this weekend (or not...). > > > Thanks much, and have a good weekend. > > > Carlos > Ch601-HD, plans - one puzzle at a time > Montreal, Canada > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:36 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: centre wing measurement check (601-HD(S) ) Carlos- I just measured as best I could (It's getting tough to get back there) and got pretty much the same measurements as you did originally. I also remember the diagonal brace being too short and made it longer. Installation was ala Jeff Small. It seems we've all run across the same problem, and neither Larry's nor Jeff's plane have shown any negative conseqences of their actions. This isn't the last time you'll find anomolies in the HDS plans. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: centre wing measurement check (601-HD(S) ) > > Hi Carlos, > The diagonal channel made per drawing was too short on mine too, so I made > another that did fit. The crank arm would resolve its clearance > if you reduce the overlap to 19mm. This drawing is not the best example > from Zenith, but logic says that a centered rear bearing hole and > a crank arm having the necessary clearance is the target. If you modify > this in minor ways to get there, you've got the right idea. There won't > be any binding or misalignment that fouls things here or at the other end > of the pivot tube. I do like the example done by Therrien though. > Note the spacer at the front of the channel to get radius clearance for > the crank arm. Sometimes just a little bit of variation is required. > http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/controltubeSm.gif > > Best regards, > > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > > Carlos Sa wrote: >> Hello, all >> >> >> I am ready to drill the "rear bearing assembly" 6V12-2 to the "rear >> bearing channel" 6V12-6, but I suspect something is not right: >> To have the torque tube 6V13-3 perfectly horizontal, the overlap between >> 6V12-2 and 6V12-6 needs to be 25 mm, while the plans show 19 mm. >> In addition to that, the channel 6V13-4 is too short to be installed >> diagonally, as per plans. It fits perfectly if assembled the way Jeff >> Small ( http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/ch601prjjs.htm ) and Michel >> Therrien ( http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/chcontrols3.htm ) did. I'll >> probably use the same approach, but that's beside the point - it bothers >> me that things are looking so out of whack. >> So far I have managed to assemble everything with little deviation from >> plans (1 or 2 mm in large assemblies); this is the first real >> "disagreement" between plans and reality (or at least my version of >> reality). >> >> Could someone measure and post the following: >> Distance between the bottom of the torque tube's horn (the part that >> attaches to the aileron cables) and the bottom skin, i.e., the clearance >> between that part and the skin. It should be in the 20 mm range; I have >> ~17 mm. >> Overlap between 6V12-2 and 6V12-6 - the plans say 19 mm, I have 25 mm. >> Distance between 6V12-6 and 6V12-5 (this would be the length of the U >> channel 6V13-4 if it were installed parallel to the fuselage axis). I >> have 385 mm. >> >> I know this can be a pain to measure, but it would reassure me and allow >> me to do some work this weekend (or not...). >> >> >> Thanks much, and have a good weekend. >> >> >> Carlos >> Ch601-HD, plans - one puzzle at a time >> Montreal, Canada >> >> * >> * > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: centre wing measurement check (601-HD(S) ) From: Carlos Sa Bill, thanks for checking and comments! Might not be the last time I find anomalies in the plans, but I think it is the first for me. Cheers Carlos do not archive 2009/9/26 Bill Naumuk > > Carlos- > I just measured as best I could (It's getting tough to get back there) > and got pretty much the same measurements as you did originally. I also > remember the diagonal brace being too short and made it longer. Installation > was ala Jeff Small. > It seems we've all run across the same problem, and neither Larry's nor > Jeff's plane have shown any negative conseqences of their actions. > This isn't the last time you'll find anomolies in the HDS plans. > > Bill > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:50 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: centre wing measurement check (601-HD(S) ) Carlos- The main thing is, keep asking questions. Manana. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: centre wing measurement check (601-HD(S) ) Bill, thanks for checking and comments! Might not be the last time I find anomalies in the plans, but I think it is the first for me. Cheers Carlos do not archive 2009/9/26 Bill Naumuk Carlos- I just measured as best I could (It's getting tough to get back there) and got pretty much the same measurements as you did originally. I also remember the diagonal brace being too short and made it longer. Installation was ala Jeff Small. It seems we've all run across the same problem, and neither Larry's nor Jeff's plane have shown any negative conseqences of their actions. This isn't the last time you'll find anomolies in the HDS plans. Bill ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:05 PM PST US From: Ron Lalonde Subject: Zenith-List: RE:HI,z =0A _________________________________________________________________=0A Create a cool=2C new character for your Windows Live=99 Messenger. =0A http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9656621 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.