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2. 07:19 AM - Re: Last chance to avoid misery later (Bill Naumuk)
3. 07:39 AM - Re: Last chance to avoid misery later (Bill Naumuk)
4. 07:51 AM - Fast response (Lawrence Webber)
5. 08:24 AM - Re: Last chance to avoid misery later (Rick Lindstrom)
6. 09:22 AM - Re: Last chance to avoid misery later (Bill Naumuk)
7. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Fuel leak (Jim Belcher)
8. 10:49 AM - Canopy rubber trim white (marcflyer)
9. 12:13 PM - Re: Last chance to avoid misery later (Rick Lindstrom)
10. 01:20 PM - Last chance to avoid misery later (Randy L. Thwing)
11. 01:30 PM - Re: Last chance to avoid misery later (Bill Naumuk)
12. 01:52 PM - Re: Last chance to avoid misery later (Carlos Sa)
13. 02:08 PM - Re: Last chance to avoid misery later (George Swinford)
14. 03:36 PM - Re: Last chance to avoid misery later (Bill Naumuk)
15. 04:13 PM - Re: Last chance to avoid misery later (Rick Lindstrom)
16. 04:53 PM - Re: Last chance to avoid misery later (Bill Naumuk)
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I have a CZAW built 701; I dont know if there is any similarity but I've had the
dark fuel stains coming out of seams at rear of wings under fuel tanks occasionally.
Some of this was definitely due to overfill running into the wing cavity.
But when it seemed to occur lately without any spillage at the filler,
I drilled out the inspection plates over the fuel senders as a first step.
There was evidence of seepage from the mounting screws, running down the back of
the tank.
I withdrew each screw in turn and coated the thread / washer (serrated)/ head area
with a fuel safe gasket compound and tightened them all back down. the rubber
gasket did not appear to be a problem. The lockwashers used are quite open
and not what I would have expected in this area.
I dont know if this is the end of the issue. It had been occuring mainly when the
tank was kept full, suggesting that if there is a leak its likely near the
top.
PS. drilling out rivets on the plates: best to limit the bit depth with a piece
of hose
Ralph
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Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
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| Subject: | Re: Last chance to avoid misery later |
John-
It's in the works, but I have to figure out and incorporate a slop
guard to accommodate my header tank.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: john H
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
Bill
My advice is to make your front top skin removable. or make access
panels in it. I guarantee you will need access behind the instrument
panel at some point.
John
601HD 344 hours
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From: naumuk@windstream.net
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:57:36 -0400
All-
I'm down to my last skin, trying to complete every job I can think
of that would turn me into a pretzel after I close in my cockpit. I'd
like to hear about the things you guys regretted not doing before losing
your access. There has to be something I missed.
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS N601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Last chance to avoid misery later |
Paul-
Panel is complete and everything has been tested with the exception
of the transponder. All engine control cables have been run through the
firewall, but I haven't (And can't at this point) installed a cabin heat
duct. Here's where I get into a Catch-22.
I built my fuse on a rollaway jig and can't hang the engine until I
attach the last skin and remove the jig, leaving the fuse on the gear.
From everyone's suggestions, it looks like I've done all I can.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
Hi Bill,
Have you completed your instrument panel yet?
How about engine installation including all the controls? Cabin heat?
It's not over until it is airborne with all the instrumentation you
want. . .
Paul
XL awaiting engineering changes
At 05:57 PM 9/28/2009, you wrote:
All-
I'm down to my last skin, trying to complete every job I can
think of that would turn me into a pretzel after I close in my cockpit.
I'd like to hear about the things you guys regretted not doing before
losing your access. There has to be something I missed.
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
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WILLIAM just a note of thanks your info you gave me on venturi selection w
as awesome for the ma3 carb . The quick response on the motor mount was als
o awesome less than 2 weeks from order to make to deliver. my question to
you is what is the number of ms nuts
i need to order for the new style black hub.? incidentally the backer boar
d you supplied which allowed you ship the motor mount just became the plywo
od rings to locate the nosebowl in its correct location thats swamp yankee
frugality (english for cheap)
thanks again
Larry Webber 601xl/corvair chugger/rhode island
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| Subject: | Re: Last chance to avoid misery later |
HI, Bill.
I wish I would've installed soundproofing on the cockpit side of the firewal BEFORE
that top skin was done. And on the floor from the firewall to the main spar
as well...
I covered the process in KITPLANES a few years ago, and still think it was well
worth it.
Rick Lindstrom
ZenVair N42KP
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Naumuk
>Sent: Sep 28, 2009 5:57 PM
>To: zenith list
>Subject: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>
>All-
> I'm down to my last skin, trying to complete every job I can think of that
would turn me into a pretzel after I close in my cockpit. I'd like to hear about
the things you guys regretted not doing before losing your access. There has
to be something I missed.
> Thanks.
>Bill Naumuk
>Townville, Pa.
>HDS N601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Last chance to avoid misery later |
Rick-
Done, as well as on the cockpit sides. It looks good enough to where I'm
not going to upholster the sides.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Lindstrom" <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
> <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>
> HI, Bill.
>
> I wish I would've installed soundproofing on the cockpit side of the
> firewal BEFORE that top skin was done. And on the floor from the firewall
> to the main spar as well...
>
> I covered the process in KITPLANES a few years ago, and still think it was
> well worth it.
>
> Rick Lindstrom
> ZenVair N42KP
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Bill Naumuk
>>Sent: Sep 28, 2009 5:57 PM
>>To: zenith list
>>Subject: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>>
>>All-
>> I'm down to my last skin, trying to complete every job I can think of
>> that would turn me into a pretzel after I close in my cockpit. I'd like
>> to hear about the things you guys regretted not doing before losing your
>> access. There has to be something I missed.
>> Thanks.
>>Bill Naumuk
>>Townville, Pa.
>>HDS N601MG/Corvair 95%
>
>
>
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On Monday 28 September 2009 15:38, Martin Pohl wrote:
>
> I had a leak in one of my brand-new fuel tanks (see picture attached). As
> Klaus said, I would also remove the wing to further investigate the
> problem.
What I'm about to say won't help those who currently have problems one bit,
but it might help those in the process of construction. I strongly recommend,
after installing the fuel gauge sender, but before installation, doing a tank
leakage test.
It's fairly simple to connect a source of air to the port for the quick drain
in the bottom of the tank, and to apply a few pounds (not many!) of air
pressure. Swipe some of your wife's (or, if you're female list members,
borrow it from yourself) liquid dish soap. Put it in a small container, and
add a little water. Make a water-soap mix suitable for blowing soap bubbles.
Brush the mixture around every possible seam in the tank, around fittings, and
especially around every possible opening on/around the fuel sender. Don't be
surprised if you get some bubbles, and have some leaks to fix. They're easier
to fix now than later.
My tank was good, but my fuel sender installation had to be redone, and sealer
applied at several points.
That's my free advice for today. I remind you as always that my free advice
(or anyone else's) will be worth as much as you paid for it ... if you're
lucky.
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| Subject: | Canopy rubber trim white |
Has anyone seen Canopy rubber trim for 601 in another color besides black such
as Gray or white or where one can even try.[/b]
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| Subject: | Re: Last chance to avoid misery later |
Bill,
Glad to hear it! The only thing I might add is some automotive door edge molding
to the edges...
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net>
>Sent: Sep 29, 2009 12:16 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>
>
>Rick-
> Done, as well as on the cockpit sides. It looks good enough to where I'm
>not going to upholster the sides.
> Bill
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rick Lindstrom" <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:24 AM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>
>
>> <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>>
>> HI, Bill.
>>
>> I wish I would've installed soundproofing on the cockpit side of the
>> firewal BEFORE that top skin was done. And on the floor from the firewall
>> to the main spar as well...
>>
>> I covered the process in KITPLANES a few years ago, and still think it was
>> well worth it.
>>
>> Rick Lindstrom
>> ZenVair N42KP
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Bill Naumuk
>>>Sent: Sep 28, 2009 5:57 PM
>>>To: zenith list
>>>Subject: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>>>
>>>All-
>>> I'm down to my last skin, trying to complete every job I can think of
>>> that would turn me into a pretzel after I close in my cockpit. I'd like
>>> to hear about the things you guys regretted not doing before losing your
>>> access. There has to be something I missed.
>>> Thanks.
>>>Bill Naumuk
>>>Townville, Pa.
>>>HDS N601MG/Corvair 95%
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Last chance to avoid misery later |
do not archive
I guess I don't understand what you are seeking.
In Aviation, there is absolutely nothing you can do to:
"Avoid Misery Later"
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
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| Subject: | Re: Last chance to avoid misery later |
Rick-
Edges of what, the forward top skin?
Did you build an HD/HDS? If so and have a header tank, how did you
configure your fully removable top skin to keep fuel from dripping through
the inlet and slopping on the panel? I have the standard Zenith 8 gal header
tank and inlet.
Chime in, HD/HDS people.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Lindstrom" <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
> <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>
> Bill,
>
> Glad to hear it! The only thing I might add is some automotive door edge
> molding to the edges...
>
> Rick
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Last chance to avoid misery later |
Bill, I found an easy and sure way to avoid fuel dripping on the panel: I
"gots" no header tank.
Cheers
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
2009/9/29 Bill Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net>
>
> Rick-
> Edges of what, the forward top skin?
> Did you build an HD/HDS? If so and have a header tank, how did you
> configure your fully removable top skin to keep fuel from dripping through
> the inlet and slopping on the panel? I have the standard Zenith 8 gal header
> tank and inlet.
> Chime in, HD/HDS people.
> Bill
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Lindstrom" <
> tigerrick@mindspring.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>
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| Subject: | Re: Last chance to avoid misery later |
Hi Bill:
I adapted an Ercoupe "grommet-engine cowling", p/n 415-40430, which I got
from Univair Aircraft Corp in Aurora, CO. That grommet fits the HD/HDS
header tank neck diameter. It was necessary to remove some rubber from the
upper surface of the grommet, since the Ercoupe header tank has a longer
neck than the Zodiac tank. Of course the hole in the upper forward skin
must be sized to fit the periphery of the Ercoupe grommet. My project is
still unfinished, but I know from experience that the grommet keeps fuel
from leaking around the Ercoupe's filler neck.
Hope this is helpful.
George Swinford Stratus Subaru 601HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@windstream.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>
> Rick-
> Edges of what, the forward top skin?
> Did you build an HD/HDS? If so and have a header tank, how did you
> configure your fully removable top skin to keep fuel from dripping through
> the inlet and slopping on the panel? I have the standard Zenith 8 gal
> header tank and inlet.
> Chime in, HD/HDS people.
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Lindstrom" <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>
>
>> <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Glad to hear it! The only thing I might add is some automotive door edge
>> molding to the edges...
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Last chance to avoid misery later |
George-
You bet! Send any pictures you have of your installation. Cockpit gets
closed up first thing tomorrow.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>
> Hi Bill:
>
> I adapted an Ercoupe "grommet-engine cowling", p/n 415-40430, which I got
> from Univair Aircraft Corp in Aurora, CO. That grommet fits the HD/HDS
> header tank neck diameter. It was necessary to remove some rubber from
> the upper surface of the grommet, since the Ercoupe header tank has a
> longer neck than the Zodiac tank. Of course the hole in the upper
> forward skin must be sized to fit the periphery of the Ercoupe grommet.
> My project is still unfinished, but I know from experience that the
> grommet keeps fuel from leaking around the Ercoupe's filler neck.
>
> Hope this is helpful.
>
> George Swinford Stratus Subaru 601HD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk@windstream.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>
>
>>
>> Rick-
>> Edges of what, the forward top skin?
>> Did you build an HD/HDS? If so and have a header tank, how did you
>> configure your fully removable top skin to keep fuel from dripping
>> through the inlet and slopping on the panel? I have the standard Zenith 8
>> gal header tank and inlet.
>> Chime in, HD/HDS people.
>> Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rick Lindstrom" <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>>
>>
>>> <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> Glad to hear it! The only thing I might add is some automotive door edge
>>> molding to the edges...
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Last chance to avoid misery later |
I don't have a header tank, I was just referring to edges of the ribs in the cockpit,
between the chunks of soundproofing foam. And I did use the same stuff
on the edge of the upper skin. You must be psychic!
Rick
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net>
>Sent: Sep 29, 2009 4:28 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>
>
>Rick-
> Edges of what, the forward top skin?
> Did you build an HD/HDS? If so and have a header tank, how did you
>configure your fully removable top skin to keep fuel from dripping through
>the inlet and slopping on the panel? I have the standard Zenith 8 gal header
>tank and inlet.
> Chime in, HD/HDS people.
> Bill
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rick Lindstrom" <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:12 PM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>
>
>> <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Glad to hear it! The only thing I might add is some automotive door edge
>> molding to the edges...
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Last chance to avoid misery later |
Rick-
What is the of your wing filler spouts? Never thought about the
cockpit L angles.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Lindstrom" <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
> <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>
> I don't have a header tank, I was just referring to edges of the ribs in
> the cockpit, between the chunks of soundproofing foam. And I did use the
> same stuff on the edge of the upper skin. You must be psychic!
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@windstream.net>
>>Sent: Sep 29, 2009 4:28 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>>
>>
>>Rick-
>> Edges of what, the forward top skin?
>> Did you build an HD/HDS? If so and have a header tank, how did you
>>configure your fully removable top skin to keep fuel from dripping through
>>the inlet and slopping on the panel? I have the standard Zenith 8 gal
>>header
>>tank and inlet.
>> Chime in, HD/HDS people.
>> Bill
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Rick Lindstrom" <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Last chance to avoid misery later
>>
>>
>>> <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> Glad to hear it! The only thing I might add is some automotive door edge
>>> molding to the edges...
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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