---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/27/09: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:01 PM - Wants & Needs () 2. 03:35 PM - Nose fork failure (Bill Naumuk) 3. 03:54 PM - Re: Wants & Needs (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 4. 06:18 PM - Nose gear failure (LarryMcFarland) 5. 08:25 PM - Re: Jay Bannister - OK ? (BobTezyk) 6. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: Jay Bannister - OK ? (LHusky@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:39 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Wants & Needs Mike McKinzie, (901MM ?) is almost ready to fly, but he's having trouble with the fit of the nose gear pant. He wants to replace it with an old-style main gear pant, which he intends to modify to fit. If anyone has one, here's a chance to empty a hook on the wall. Paul R. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:01 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Nose fork failure All- Before you even think of mods to the Zenith nose fork, look at the Sherman tanks of the industry. Students have been beating the shit out of C-150s and C-172s for fifty years and their nose gear rarely falls off. What's the big difference? do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS N601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:15 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wants & Needs I have a set make me an offer.... Jeff ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:55 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith-List: Nose gear failure Hi guys, When I first flew a 601HD with Kelly Meiste, I had a difficult time keeping the nose gear off on touch down. At Kelly's insistence, I worked harder on holding the nose off for a while until airspeed would let it down more easily. Before that it was sort of a ka-thump landing. Since that time, with my Subaru engine and the belly radiator well back, I have no trouble greasing the mains and doing a long roll out nose gear up.Without a focused effort to keep the nose gear up, it would still be a Ka-thump. I suspect the XL could be the same. Larry McFarland 601HDS at macsmachine.com Do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:18 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jay Bannister - OK ? From: "BobTezyk" Good day all, I was the pilot flying Jay's airplane. I was helping Jay get the testing under way. I had a detailed test plan for the flight on my clip board and I was wearing a parachute. To save time and typing to each one individually, I am including a portion of the FAA report I wrote about the incident: "A climb was made to 3500 MSL outside of the Mode C vail. The stall series was completed and the aircraft was in level flight when the engine started to surge several times. A turn was immediately made to JWY as the engine returned to normal. About a minute later, the surges returned. At that point, tanks were switched, the other coil and fuel pump were selected. Shortly thereafter, the engine surged several times again and quit. A plowed field was picked as the best landing spot. Attempts were made to re-start the engine 3 times with no joy. At 2500 MSL, it was determined that the plowed field could not be reached so the landing spot was switched to a pasture. At about 500 AGL, it was noted that the pasture was terraced in the east-west direction, with the plane on a northerly heading. The decision was made to maintain the northerly heading and not make a sharp turn to the east as there was too much danger of a stall/spin condition. At about 5 AGL, the plane was slowed to stall speed and allowed to settle on the rising terraces. The aircraft touched down on the upslope of a terrace and re-launched into the air. The re-launch took the aircraft another 10 feet further before settling down. Estimated touchdown speed was about 40 MPH.IAS. The touchdown point was on another upslope. There was no more elevator authority at this speed to keep the nose wheel off the ground at that speed. The nose wheel caught the upslope berm and bent back causing the nose to fall to the ground. Damage sustained was minor. The cowling sheet metal was bent as was the sheet metal and rudder pedals where the nose gear pushed into the fuselage. The left wing inertia of coming to a stop pulled the rear attach fitting bolt through the attach fitting. The spinner sustained some damage being dragged through the dirt on the under side, but the propeller did not touch the ground. The ground impact was mild enough to not trigger the ELT. Upon coming to a stop, all power and switches were verified off and the canopy was released. The aircraft was exited and a safe distance was maintained. A walk around of the aircraft was performed and it was determined that no fuel was leaking." If the nose wheel had not caught on the berm, there would have been no damage to the aircraft. My primary flight training kicked in automatically and I made a deliberate effort to not over control or over maneuver the airplane. My recent glider rating was a BIG BIG help. Once I stopped trying to restart, my brain shifted into glider mode and that removed tons of stress. It became just another glider ride. Recommendation to you for first flights/ Phase I testing: If you don't get a glider rating, get enough time in a glider so that landing without an engine is a not new to you. Nuf said. Bob -------- do not archive Regards, Bob Tezyk N78QT - 601XL QB/ Jab3300 Working on Horizontal Stabilizer http://neo.datamatrix.com/eaglesnestestates/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=32&catid=23 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269781#269781 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic_0044_135.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:28 PM PST US From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Jay Bannister - OK ? Bob, any early indications of what happened to the engine? Has fuel flow or ignition been checked yet? Thanks, Larry Husky Madras, Oregon In a message dated 10/27/2009 8:25:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bob@eaglesnestestates.org writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "BobTezyk" Good day all, I was the pilot flying Jay's airplane. I was helping Jay get the testing under way. I had a detailed test plan for the flight on my clip board and I was wearing a parachute. To save time and typing to each one individually, I am including a portion of the FAA report I wrote about the incident: "A climb was made to 3500 MSL outside of the Mode C vail. The stall series was completed and the aircraft was in level flight when the engine started to surge several times. A turn was immediately made to JWY as the engine returned to normal. About a minute later, the surges returned. At that point, tanks were switched, the other coil and fuel pump were selected. Shortly thereafter, the engine surged several times again and quit. A plowed field was picked as the best landing spot. Attempts were made to re-start the engine 3 times with no joy. At 2500 MSL, it was determined that the plowed field could not be reached so the landing spot was switched to a pasture. At about 500 AGL, it was noted that the pasture was terraced in the east-west direction, with the plane on a northerly heading. The decision was made to maintain the northerly heading and not make a sharp turn to the east as there was too much danger of a stall/spin condition. At about 5 AGL, the plane was slowed to stall speed and allowed to settle on the rising terraces. The aircraft touched down on the upslope of a terrace and re-launched into the air. The re-launch took the aircraft another 10 feet further before settling down. Estimated touchdown speed was about 40 MPH.IAS. The touchdown point was on another upslope. There was no more elevator authority at this speed to keep the nose wheel off the ground at that speed. The nose wheel caught the upslope berm and bent back causing the nose to fall to the ground. Damage sustained was minor. The cowling sheet metal was bent as was the sheet metal and rudder pedals where the nose gear pushed into the fuselage. The left wing inertia of coming to a stop pulled the rear attach fitting bolt through the attach fitting. The spinner sustained some damage being dragged through the dirt on the under side, but the propeller did not touch the ground. The ground impact was mild enough to not trigger the ELT. Upon coming to a stop, all power and switches were verified off and the canopy was released. The aircraft was exited and a safe distance was maintained. A walk around of the aircraft was performed and it was determined that no fuel was leaking." If the nose wheel had not caught on the berm, there would have been no damage to the aircraft. My primary flight training kicked in automatically and I made a deliberate effort to not over control or over maneuver the airplane. My recent glider rating was a BIG BIG help. Once I stopped trying to restart, my brain shifted into glider mode and that removed tons of stress. It became just another glider ride. Recommendation to you for first flights/ Phase I testing: If you don't get a glider rating, get enough time in a glider so that landing without an engine is a not new to you. Nuf said. Bob -------- do not archive Regards, Bob Tezyk N78QT - 601XL QB/ Jab3300 Working on Horizontal Stabilizer http://neo.datamatrix.com/eaglesnestestates/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2& amp;Itemid=32&catid=23 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269781#269781 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic_0044_135.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.