---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/20/09: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:17 AM - Just A Few Days Left; Still Trailing Last Year... (Matt Dralle) 1. 12:36 AM - Upper Engine Mount Question (Scotsman) 2. 02:19 AM - Re: Upper Engine Mount Question (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 3. 02:47 AM - Re: Upper Engine Mount Question (Greg Cox) 4. 03:46 AM - Re: Upper Engine Mount Question (Scotsman) 5. 05:22 AM - Re: Upper Engine Mount Question (Scotsman) 6. 06:44 AM - Re: Upper Engine Mount Question (Craig Payne) 7. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question (Craig Payne) 8. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question (Craig Payne) 9. 07:50 AM - Re: Zenith 601xl mods (dougsire) 10. 10:19 AM - Re: Zenith 601xl mods (Craig Payne) 11. 03:18 PM - Part 12 and counting... (Jim Belcher) 12. 04:47 PM - M Test (Sabrina) 13. 05:18 PM - Re: M Test (Paul Mulwitz) 14. 06:21 PM - Zenair CH-200 (Dee Young) 15. 06:53 PM - Re: M Test (Sabrina) 16. 07:17 PM - Re: Zenair CH-200 (JohnDRead@aol.com) 17. 07:33 PM - Re: Re: M Test (Paul Mulwitz) 18. 08:05 PM - Re: M Test (Sabrina) 19. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: M Test (Paul Mulwitz) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:06 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: Just A Few Days Left; Still Trailing Last Year... Dear Listers, There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser! Response has been very good, but still well behind last year. If you've been waiting until the last minute to make your contribution and maybe even pick up a great gift, now might be good time to show your support! Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:47 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Upper Engine Mount Question From: "Scotsman" Morning List, I am trying to finish up the upper engine mounts on my XL and specifically with reference to attachment to the firewall and upper longeron. When I look at my plans etc I see that it is an old version of the engine mount that the plans etc provide instructions for. Mine is the triangular shaped newer one. Does anyone have the specs for the positions of any/all bolts/rivet holes that need to be made in the mount? Many thanks in advance James -------- Cell +27 83 675 0815 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273931#273931 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:43 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper Engine Mount Question ask and you shall receive Jeff ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:35 AM PST US From: "Greg Cox" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Upper Engine Mount Question Be careful with this drawing 6-B-6 the engine mounting hole positions were not correct for my aircraft, I back drilled through the firewall. Regards, Greg Cox Zenith Zodiac CH650, VH-ZDC Sydney, Australia (Cecil Hills) From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Afterfxllc@aol.com Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper Engine Mount Question ask and you shall receive Jeff ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:59 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question From: "Scotsman" Sorry can't see any attachment...j -------- Cell +27 83 675 0815 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273937#273937 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:44 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question From: "Scotsman" Greg can you send a picture? -------- Cell +27 83 675 0815 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273946#273946 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:05 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Upper Engine Mount Question And the fit in that area in general is very tight. In particular between the nuts on the vertical bolts into the longeron and the rivets through the side skin and the longeron. If you can stagger the bolt and rivet positions. -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cox Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 3:44 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Upper Engine Mount Question Be careful with this drawing 6-B-6 the engine mounting hole positions were not correct for my aircraft, I back drilled through the firewall. Regards, Greg Cox Zenith Zodiac CH650, VH-ZDC Sydney, Australia (Cecil Hills) From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Afterfxllc@aol.com Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upper Engine Mount Question ask and you shall receive Jeff ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:55 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question I forwarded Jeff's message directly to your e-mail address. Also sometimes Matronics places a link at the bottom of the message to the attachment. Or you can go to the web-based thread ("Read this topic online here") and there will be a link and thumbnail for the attachment. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scotsman Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:47 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question Sorry can't see any attachment...j -------- Cell +27 83 675 0815 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273937#273937 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:22 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question James, I got a bounce on your e-mail address: james.roberts@computershare.co.za This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: james.roberts@computershare.co.za SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:: host mailgateza.computershare.co.za [196.14.50.3]: 550 5.7.1 Unknown recipient was submitted by host <166.70.13.232>. Sender address was . ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ ------ The body of the message is 147334 characters long; only the first ------ 106496 or so are included here. Return-path: Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.65]) by out02.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NBUjJ-0003rr-Vn for james.roberts@computershare.co.za; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:44:58 -0700 Received: from delld820craig (craig-payne.dsl.xmission.com [166.70.39.121]) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E487E1289E0 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:44:38 -0700 (MST) From: "Craig Payne" Subject: FW: Zenith-List: Upper Engine Mount Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA69B5.541D3DC0" Thread-Index: Acppy2qH1xImae5GSdyjUkhrWQF/SQAJHC0Q Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0016_01CA69B5.541D3DC0" ------=_NextPart_001_0016_01CA69B5.541D3DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sending direct. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: Craig Payne [mailto:craig@craigandjean.com] Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:47 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question I forwarded Jeff's message directly to your e-mail address. Also sometimes Matronics places a link at the bottom of the message to the attachment. Or you can go to the web-based thread ("Read this topic online here") and there will be a link and thumbnail for the attachment. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scotsman Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:47 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question Sorry can't see any attachment...j -------- Cell +27 83 675 0815 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273937#273937
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA69B5.541D3DC0 ----=_NextPart_001_0016_01CA69B5.541D3DC0-- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:58 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith 601xl mods From: "dougsire" Here is a note posted by Mathieu today on his Q&A blog, "We will be issuing new drawings VERY shortly with significant changes. There will be 4 pages" -------- Doug Sire 601XL Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273965#273965 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:09 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Zenith 601xl mods Indeed! Over on the Zenith.aero site Mathieu Heintz wrote this in his thread on "Q&A - Safety Alert and SAIB - Zodiac XL / CH 650": Nov 16th: "You have already upgraded your wing? I am surprised as the drawings are on the web as "DRAFT". We are still looking at changes as we are consulting with outside engineers right now. I would not start the upgrade until you have the final drawings." And yesterday: "Please remember that the drawings are "DRAFT" only at this time and many parts will be updated. So please do not start making parts and riveting things back together etc." On the other hand Doug Dugger at QSP is upgrading his XL in public this weekend. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Phillips Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith 601xl mods I commend Jeff for making the videos available. I suspect that they will be very useful. However, I think that everyone should be reminded that the drawings shown on the web site are clearly marked "DRAFT." To me, that translates to: "SUBJECT TO CHANGE! Do not build anything until you get the final drawings, or be prepared to take it all apart and rebuild so that your aircraft will comply with the final drawings." Of course this is only essential for S-LSA's & E-AB projects that still need their air worthiness certificates. So far I haven't seen anything from the FAA that says already approved E-AB aircraft are required to implement the recommendations. Strongly recommended, but not required. I doubt it will be too long before the drawings are finalized, but only Zenair knows for sure. Terry At 05:33 PM 11/19/2009 -0500, you wrote: >Rick I don't want to say how or where I got the parts from but I will tell >you it wasn't from Zenith. Some of the parts I had to make myself and >others are the same parts used on the airframe in other places. :) > >I am uploading 20 new videos tonight and will post them as soon as they >are done. They aren't the best but I hope it helps others out. > >Jeff Terry Phillips ZBAGer ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT ZU-601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail & flaps are done; Balancing the ailerons and working on the wings http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:28 PM PST US From: Jim Belcher Subject: Zenith-List: Part 12 and counting... The 12th part has been added to Sebastien Heintz' blog: http://www.zenith.aero/profiles/blogs/part-12-installing-the-angle This installs the L-angle stiffners to the rear wing skins. It sounds as though they may be adding L angle stiffners in the rear fuselage side skins, but this is a bit fuzzy. ============================================ Do not archive. ============================================ Jim B Belcher BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science A&P/IA Retired aerospace technical manager Mathematics and alcohol do not mix. Do not drink and derive. ============================================ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:52 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: M Test From: "Sabrina" Off-topic... I passed my motorcycle practical test this afternoon! I now possess an IL D*M license that is honored even in Wisconsin! Happy Thanksgiving to everyone a little bit early... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274030#274030 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:29 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: M Test Well done Sabrina. Did you take the test on your Harley? Paul do not archive At 04:46 PM 11/20/2009, you wrote: >I passed my motorcycle practical test this afternoon! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:58 PM PST US From: Dee Young Subject: Zenith-List: Zenair CH-200 I requested some information on the CH-250 but found out it is a CH-200. I would very much like to have some information on the handling characteristi cs of this model with an 0-290. Can someone please help with this? Thanks Dee _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps=2C menus=2C and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&cre a=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:18 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: M Test From: "Sabrina" thank you... the bike was put together from Honda XL, Honda CB and Harley parts... it is titled as a 1977 Honda XL 175... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274044#274044 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:48 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenair CH-200 Call Zenith in Mexico MO. John Read CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 11/20/2009 7:22:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, henrysfork1@msn.com writes: I requested some information on the CH-250 but found out it is a CH-200. I would very much like to have some information on the handling characteristics of this model with an 0-290. Can someone please help with this? Thanks Dee ____________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. _Try it now._ (http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1) (http://www.aeroelectric.com/) (http://www.buildersbooks.com/) (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:02 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: M Test Oh well, I'd have been more impressed if you managed to get through the cones with your Sportster . . . But still, it is nice to have the real license. Have fun, Paul do not archive At 06:52 PM 11/20/2009, you wrote: >thank you... > >the bike was put together from Honda XL, Honda CB and Harley parts... > >it is titled as a 1977 Honda XL 175... ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:18 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: M Test From: "Sabrina" FYI: the Honda insurance stayed the same and the Harley insurance with Geico only went up $50.42 with the conversion of the M permit into an M license. Avemco sent me a pro-rated refund of my aircraft insurance ($286.09). I can't find anyone willing to insure the first 5 hours after the upgrade. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=274054#274054 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:12 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: M Test Hi Sabrina, Did you try Falcon? They offered me first flight coverage before the current situation and they weren't at all alarmed about the accidents. Maybe they are in a better position to cover experimental planes than Avemco. (I have found Avemco less than stellar when it comes to experimentals.) Paul do not archive At 08:04 PM 11/20/2009, you wrote: >Avemco sent me a pro-rated refund of my aircraft insurance >($286.09). I can't find anyone willing to insure the first 5 hours >after the upgrade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.