---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/22/09: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:09 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in December! (Matt Dralle) 1. 01:05 AM - Re: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question (Greg Cox) 2. 01:09 AM - Re: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question (Greg Cox) 3. 05:00 AM - Re: Painting the firewall (Dave Austin) 4. 05:04 AM - Re: Painting the firewall (Dave Austin) 5. 06:14 AM - Re: Painting the firewall (jaybannist@cs.com) 6. 06:21 AM - Chat Reminder (George Race) 7. 06:23 AM - Re: Painting the firewall (Jim Belcher) 8. 06:24 AM - Re: Painting the firewall (John Goodings) 9. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: Painting the firewall (Tony Graziano) 10. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Painting the firewall (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 11. 05:44 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 11/21/09 (Dave New) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:04 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in December! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 USA (Please include your email address on the check!) I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:17 AM PST US From: "Greg Cox" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question I have sent an email directly to your inbox. Regards, Greg Cox Zenith Zodiac CH650, VH-ZDC Sydney, Australia (Cecil Hills) -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scotsman Sent: Saturday, 21 November 2009 12:22 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question Greg can you send a picture? -------- Cell +27 83 675 0815 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273946#273946 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:38 AM PST US From: "Greg Cox" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question Hi, I can't get through on your email address can you confirm that it is james.roberts@computershare.co.za Regards, Greg Cox Zenith Zodiac CH650, VH-ZDC Sydney, Australia (Cecil Hills) -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scotsman Sent: Saturday, 21 November 2009 12:22 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Upper Engine Mount Question Greg can you send a picture? -------- Cell +27 83 675 0815 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273946#273946 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:07 AM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Painting the firewall I didn't paint my firewall because I didn't want anything on it that would burn or emit toxic gasses. My two cents worth. Dave Austin 601- 912 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:54 AM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Painting the firewall Steve, Don't scuff the galvanized - you'll ruin the anti- rust properties. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Painting the firewall From: jaybannist@cs.com Steve, There is no "ordinary" paint or primer that will permanently adhere to gal vanized steel. You can find quite a few commercially available products that claim to work on galvanized steel, but I have seen many of these fai l. About the only way to assure that paint will survive is to have the pa rt bonderized and prime painted at the factory that made the part. That is a process something like alodining aluminum to prepare it for painting . Bonderizing is a fairly common practice for factory primed galvanized steel doors, but I seriously doubt that Zenith has the capability to do it. In order to minimize the chance of galvanic corrosion, I used a sel f-etching primer on all the aluminum parts I fastened to the firewall and did the same on all the holes I drilled through the galvanized steel. Ot herwise the firewall is unpainted. I just didn't want to deal with the pos sibility of peeling paint down the road. Jay Bannister PS My knowledge of painting galvanized steel comes from practicing archit ecture for 45 years and seeing the inevitable failure of field-applied coa tings on galvanized steel.. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Sims Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:07 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Painting the firewall Hey guys, I would like to paint my firewall, what is the best way to prep and paint galvanized steel? Will scuffing and priming with self etching primer wor k? Thanks, Steve Sims 601HDS Corvair ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:22 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Chat Reminder Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT www.mykitairplane.com Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page. George ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:20 AM PST US From: Jim Belcher Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Painting the firewall On Sunday 22 November 2009 08:00, jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > PS My knowledge of painting galvanized steel comes from practicing > architecture for 45 years and seeing the inevitable failure of > field-applied coatings on galvanized steel.. ..and that, IMHO, is the acid test. It didn't work in the field, when measured over a long period of time, as determined by a qualified and knowledgable observer. -- ============================================ Do not archive. ============================================ Jim B Belcher BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science A&P/IA Retired aerospace technical manager Mathematics and alcohol do not mix. Do not drink and derive. ============================================ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:55 AM PST US From: John Goodings Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Painting the firewall We used a rattle can that said Galvanized Metal Primer (obtained from Canadian Tire in Canada). We wiped the firewall clean with solvent and then sprayed it. It came out a mat finish, greyish-white. It looked nice. Seven years later, the firewall has shown no sign of detereoration. The paint stuck very well. We didn't put anything on top of the primer. John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Carp/Ottawa/Toronto. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:54 AM PST US From: Tony Graziano Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Painting the firewall I used a spray can of " Industrial zinc galvanizing" paint on my firewall for both sides. Maker was I believe Rustolium (sp) Prep was cleaning with lacquer thinner. Has held up for about five years (since paint) and 547 flight hrs. Tony Graziano 601 XL/Jab 3300 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2009, at 8:24 AM, John Goodings wrote: We used a rattle can that said Galvanized Metal Primer (obtained from Canadian Tire in Canada). We wiped the firewall clean with solvent and then sprayed it. It came out a mat finish, greyish-white. It looked nice. Seven years later, the firewall has shown no sign of detereoration. The paint stuck very well. We didn't put anything on top of the primer. John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Carp/Ottawa/Toronto. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:11 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Painting the firewall I painted one last year with just etching primer that Auto Zone carries in a rattle can and it still looks just like it did the day I painted it. I used to use 2 part etching primer but the Green etching primer at Auto Zone is all I use when building and it dries super fast. 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