Zenith-List Digest Archive

Fri 12/11/09


Total Messages Posted: 12



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 09:01 AM - Re: stuck (Herb Heaton)
     2. 10:12 AM - Re: stuck (Wade Jones)
     3. 11:36 AM - un-stuck ! (Carlos Sa)
     4. 01:14 PM - 701 Upholstery (Chuck Deiterich)
     5. 02:44 PM - Re: 701 Upholstery (Carlos Sa)
     6. 02:57 PM - Re: 701 Upholstery (Jim Belcher)
     7. 03:23 PM - Re: 701 Upholstery (Damien)
     8. 03:25 PM - Re: 701 Upholstery/ QSP Doug and Lori Dugger ()
     9. 05:00 PM - 750 ALERON PROBLEM (purplemoon99@bellsouth.net)
    10. 05:19 PM - Re: stuck (leinad)
    11. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: stuck (Carlos Sa)
    12. 07:18 PM - Re: 701 Upholstery (Doug - SportAviation)
 
 
 


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    Time: 09:01:10 AM PST US
    From: "Herb Heaton" <heatonhe36@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: stuck
    Hi Carlos, I would try to drive the center mandril out through the rivet, pull it through with pliers or use a small punch to get it out. Then you should be able to drill the rivet out or maybe twist it out with pliers. Just a thought. Good luck Herb Heaton 601XL, Plans ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa<mailto:carlossa52@gmail.com> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com> ; zenith701801-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith701801-list@matronics.com> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:01 PM Subject: Zenith-List: stuck This is embarrassing. I am stuck. Literally. See pictures - this is an A6 pop rivet. It won't budge, in or out. Access from the back is rather difficult, as the rear and front rib are already riveted. The A6 is one of the two last rivets in this station. I can remove the rear rib, but that's my last option - and I still will have a stuck A6 after I remove the rear rib. Suggestions? Carlos CH601-HD, plans stuck


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    Time: 10:12:16 AM PST US
    From: "Wade Jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
    Subject: Re: stuck
    I use a spring loaded center punch to drive the rivet stub out. Lot less pressure than driving out with a hammer & punch . ----- Original Message ----- From: Herb Heaton To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: stuck Hi Carlos, I would try to drive the center mandril out through the rivet, pull it through with pliers or use a small punch to get it out. Then you should be able to drill the rivet out or maybe twist it out with pliers. Just a thought. Good luck Herb Heaton 601XL, Plans ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa To: zenith-list@matronics.com ; zenith701801-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:01 PM Subject: Zenith-List: stuck This is embarrassing. I am stuck. Literally. See pictures - this is an A6 pop rivet. It won't budge, in or out. Access from the back is rather difficult, as the rear and front rib are already riveted. The A6 is one of the two last rivets in this station. I can remove the rear rib, but that's my last option - and I still will have a stuck A6 after I remove the rear rib. Suggestions? Carlos CH601-HD, plans stuck ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 12/11/09 10:06:00


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    Time: 11:36:08 AM PST US
    Subject: un-stuck !
    From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com>
    Stubborn little bugger !!! I had to support the back of the spar with a 2x4, then hammer the rivet stem until it got through. Then I pulled it from the back with pliers. The remaining material (rivet less the stem) came out easily by pulling from the from, with pliers. Geez, what an experience ! Thanks to all that provided suggestions. Carlos CH601-HD, plans resuming riveting of centre wing.


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    Time: 01:14:07 PM PST US
    From: "Chuck Deiterich" <cffd@pgrb.com>
    Subject: 701 Upholstery
    Does ZAC still sell upholstery (seat cushions) for the 701? I could not find it on their web site. If so, what is cost? (my homemade ones are getting worn.) Thanks, Chuck D. N701TX


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    Time: 02:44:15 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 701 Upholstery
    From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com>
    Chuck, looks like they refer you to a third party (for the 601, at least): " To order, please contact Flight Crafters LLC directly: *FlightCrafters LLC <http://www.zenithdistributing.com/>* (Zephyrhills, Florida<http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Zenith+Distributing+LLC,+5048+Airport+Rd,+Zephyrhills,+FL+33542&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=11&ll=28.130733,-82.206573&spn=0.292472,0.462799&iwloc=A> ): tel. 813-690-1916 " Carlos 2009/12/11 Chuck Deiterich <cffd@pgrb.com> > Does ZAC still sell upholstery (seat cushions) for the 701? I could not > find it on their web site. If so, what is cost? (my homemade ones are > getting worn.) > > Thanks, > Chuck D. > N701TX >


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    Time: 02:57:35 PM PST US
    From: Jim Belcher <z601b@anemicaardvark.com>
    Subject: Re: 701 Upholstery
    On Friday 11 December 2009 16:35, Carlos Sa wrote: > Chuck, looks like they refer you to a third party (for the 601, at least): > When I checked the third party's site for the 601, I couldn't find it there, either. -- ============================================ Do not archive. ============================================ Jim B Belcher BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science A&P/IA Retired aerospace technical manager Mathematics and alcohol do not mix. Do not drink and derive. ============================================


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    Time: 03:23:20 PM PST US
    From: "Damien" <dgraham7@TWCNY.RR.COM>
    Subject: Re: 701 Upholstery
    Try Can-Zac, the Canadian dealer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Belcher" <z601b@anemicaardvark.com> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Upholstery > > On Friday 11 December 2009 16:35, Carlos Sa wrote: >> Chuck, looks like they refer you to a third party (for the 601, at >> least): >> > When I checked the third party's site for the 601, I couldn't find it > there, > either. > > -- > ============================================ > Do not archive. > ============================================ > Jim B Belcher > BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science > A&P/IA > Retired aerospace technical manager > > Mathematics and alcohol do not mix. > Do not drink and derive. > ============================================ > > >


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    Time: 03:25:10 PM PST US
    From: <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
    Subject: 701 Upholstery/ QSP Doug and Lori Dugger
    Doug's wife Lori at Quality Sport Planes in Cloverdale CA does interior for Zenith planes. I just saw the new stuff she made for their Demo 750, and of course their 601XL and she does a great job. Give her a shout at qspinfo@gmail.com . She does a great job. David M.


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    Time: 05:00:10 PM PST US
    From: "purplemoon99@bellsouth.net" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: 750 ALERON PROBLEM
    Need some help, I've got a friend building a 750--he's -built several planes inc. a 701 and never had this problem...when he moves the stick to the left it's free when he moves the stick to the right it's springie and w ill spring back to the ctr. cables are -at 25-30 lb.- when you get unde r the plane and look in the access hole you can see the arm moving back and forth ,when it moves foward it flexes to the right. that would be when you you would be moving the yoke to the rt.----------- - thanks Joe N101HD


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    Time: 05:19:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: stuck
    From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
    Carlos, Glad you go it unstuck. Maybe I'm not up on the latest info from Zenith, but I think that should be a solid rivet. The drawings I have dated Dec 9 state "INSTALL EXTRUSION WITH SOLID RIVETS, SAME DIAMETER AS ORIGINAL HOLE IN EACH LOCATION", and gives part numbers: MS20470AD-6-15 and MS20470AD-5-10. Dan carlossa52(at)gmail.com wrote: > This is embarrassing. > > I am stuck. Literally. See pictures - this is an A6 pop rivet. It won't budge, in or out. > > Access from the back is rather difficult, as the rear and front rib are already riveted. The A6 is one of the two last rivets in this station. > I can remove the rear rib, but that's my last option - and I still will have a stuck A6 after I remove the rear rib. > > Suggestions? > > > Carlos > CH601-HD, plans > stuck -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277255#277255


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    Time: 07:15:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: stuck
    From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com>
    Dan, this is a 601-HD - you might be thinking 601-XL...? The A6 are used to hold four L angles against the centre wing spar. These L angles reinforce the attachment of four nose ribs to the spar at the landing gear stations. Here's a close up, bottom right in this picture: http://zodiac.pcperfect.com/images/CWing/cwing12.jpg In this picture, you can see the ribs in question: the two outer ones, on each side. Four ribs, 2 rivets on each one. http://zodiac.pcperfect.com/images/CWing/cwing15.jpg BTW, the pictures are from Don Honabach's project. Carlos CH601-HD, plans 2009/12/11 leinad <leinad@hughes.net> > > Carlos, > Glad you go it unstuck. Maybe I'm not up on the latest info from Zenith, > but I think that should be a solid rivet. The drawings I have dated Dec 9 > state "INSTALL EXTRUSION WITH SOLID RIVETS, SAME DIAMETER AS ORIGINAL HOLE > IN EACH LOCATION", and gives part numbers: > MS20470AD-6-15 and MS20470AD-5-10. > Dan > >


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    Time: 07:18:19 PM PST US
    From: "Doug - SportAviation" <Doug.Norman@sportaviation.aero>
    Subject: 701 Upholstery
    http://www.flightcrafters.com/zenithaircraft/zodiacupholsterykit.html for the 601... -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Belcher Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Upholstery On Friday 11 December 2009 16:35, Carlos Sa wrote: > Chuck, looks like they refer you to a third party (for the 601, at least): > When I checked the third party's site for the 601, I couldn't find it there, either. -- ============================================ Do not archive. ============================================ Jim B Belcher BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science A&P/IA Retired aerospace technical manager Mathematics and alcohol do not mix. Do not drink and derive. ============================================




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