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5. 01:26 PM - Re: (no subject) (flyingmike9)
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7. 07:00 PM - Re: (no subject) (Ron Lendon)
8. 08:01 PM - ITEMS FOR SALE (Bullrapids Bob)
9. 08:14 PM - Re: (no subject) (William Dominguez)
10. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: (no subject) (Ronald Steele)
11. 08:42 PM - Re: Re: (no subject) (purplemoon99@bellsouth.net)
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This uses the same cabin parts as the 601/650. And I think the same spar.
Zenith should try and stop the sale's of this plane unless they have been
paid for the use of the design.
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It doesn't use the same spar, that is a common misconception. It is similar but
beefed up, the same with the center spar.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
http://sites.google.com/site/billplane/
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This uses the same cabin parts as the 601/650. And I think the same spar.
Zenith should try and stop the sale's of this plane unless they have been paid
for the use of the design.
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Well it sure looks like they just copied it. The airplane is mostly a 601
and the spar is the same just with more rivets.
In a message dated 1/22/2010 1:51:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bill_dom@yahoo.com writes:
It doesn't use the same spar, that is a common misconception. It is
similar but beefed up, the same with the center spar.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
_http://sites.google.com/site/billplane/_
(http://sites.google.com/site/billplane/)
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This uses the same cabin parts as the 601/650. And I think the same spar.
Zenith should try and stop the sale's of this plane unless they have been
paid for the use of the design.
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it looks to more like the sports cruiser
made in the czw factory that the 601xl uesd to be built in
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282959#282959
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Hey
in thefuselagee photo it looks like a fixed metal bar across the center below
the Inst panel.. I wonder how much strength that makes??
Chris
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283007#283007
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The new Piper LSA is the Sport Crusier re-labeled
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Read this topic online here:
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Given up building my CH601XL project. Have following for sale (Jan 21, 2010
):
ZENITH 601XL OFFICIAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS Set SN 6-7164, in box they were sh
ipped in, $275 including shipping. Bank or Postal Money Order only or cash
if you pick up personally. PLEASE NOTE: The transfer of plans ownership wil
l require the buyer to complete a Liability Release document and send it wi
th your purchase check, to me. The plans set will then be sent to you by re
turn mail or in-person should you choose to pick them up personally.
NOTE: A while back I'd printed out the construction manuals (most of them)
that are on the cd that came with the planset. Each section, WINGS, FUSELAG
E, CANOPY, TAIL EMPENNAGE etc are each in 3-ring binders. I will sell them
as a set for $25 PLUS POSTAGE (their box weighs 24 lbs. If you want them, e
mail me (reinkings@comcast.net) and supply your mailing zipcode. We can the
n figure out which way you want them shipped. Simply add that amount to the
purchase price and you're all set.
HomebuiltHELP Titles available: - JABIRU 3300 ENGINE INSTALLATION SEMINAR (
ZENITH CH601XL) $ 35 ELECTRICAL WIRING 101 FOR YOUR HOMEBUILT AIRCRAFT $20
- METALWORKING 101 WITH RUDDER WORKSHOP $ 20 - or Buy all 3 for $ 70.00 inc
ludes free shipping
HomebuiltHELP 601XL / CH650 ASSEMBLY DVDs All in EXCELLENT condition, and i
n hard case for storage. Include free shipping - HORIZONTAL TAIL (2 disc se
t) $35.00 - WING ASSEMBLY (2 disc set) $35.00 - FUSELAGE PART I (2 Disc set
) $35.00 - FUSELAGE PART II (2 Disc set) $35.00 - FUSELAGE PART III (2 Disc
Set) $35.00 - CANOPY CONVERSION (1 Disc)$35.00 OR Buy the entire set for $
200.00 !!! includes free shipping
1965 CORVAIR ENGINE - $350 firm (well worth it) (Woodinville, WA)Experiment
al aircraft builders: 1965 Corvair Engine. Case SN T0902RD, 3 Heads (1 extr
a) SN 3856759, Crank # 8409. Completely disassembled, cleaned and exteriors
primed w/high temp engine paint. Valves removed, rockers etc. Valve covers
excellent. LOWER COOLING BAFFLES ARE EXCELENT (no springs)! NO CAM (I'd ho
ped to get an Otto OT-10). 6 jugs, cleaned and primed, ready for bore. Push
rods look great (I hadn't rolled them however), pushrod tubes excellent, pa
inted. NO pistons or rods. Accessory Case and front cover excellent. NO FLY
WHEEL (Can't find it anyplace! Planned on getting a new one at Clarks.) Cra
nkshaft boxed ready to take to regrind. NOTE: Intake Manifold has been file
d smooth and polished on each head (I'd planned on having tubes welded on b
y Magnificent Machine). Studs are all tight and were only coated with dried
oil, muck. Looks really good. Pail of assorted small parts, bolts, etc (pl
anned to replace all fasteners w/air grade). MANY PHOTOS AVAILABLE... ALSO
INCLUDES: Clarks Corvairs 1965 CORVAIR/CHASSIS SHOP MANUAL (C1419), William
Wynn=99s ENGINE DISASSEMBLY DVD, William Wynn's CORVAIR FLIGHT ENGIN
ES SN 7711 (NOTE: I REQUIRE YOU TO SIGN A LIABILITY RELEASE FORM (which I h
ave) (Will forward photocopy to Mr. Wynne.) No exceptions. CASH ONLY NO SHI
PPING, YOU PICKUP. SERIOUS INQUIRIES ONLY. Blue skies!
(Added 1/22/10) My ICOM/NAVICOM IC-22A For Sale Photo available.
This is the radio I used throughout my student pilot training. It works fla
wlessly, has a strong output signal and when mounted on the door panel of t
he Champ was easy to operate. Shows signs of usage but otherwise is great.
Also including the Icom Adapter to allow connection of typical RCA Plugs fo
r headset. Add a remote PTT cable and you are all set. $275.00 Firm includi
ng shipping inside USA NOTE: Box of nails in photo are not included. .INCLU
DES: ICOM IC-A22 Transceiver w/ICOM FA-BO1AR Rubber Duckie, ICOM Headset Ad
apter, ICOM BM-112U wall type battery charger, 12v Power Plug-in cable, ICO
M CM-167 Battery Case / 10 AA Batteries not included), 2 - 1000 mAh Ni-MH b
attery packs (ABELL Tech # AT-CM-1676), 1 - 1100 mAh Ni-MH battery pack (PR
OSTAR # PSI-CM166JH) , ICOM Belt Clip, and on CD: the ICOM IC-A22 Owner
=99s Manual. DO NOT HAVE THE CARRYING CASE . This is a real nice backup
(or even primary for student pilot) handheld. Again, $275.00 including ship
ping in the USA.
TELEX Mdl TC-200 Used aircraft intercom, includes printed out owners manual
and schematics including pinout assignments, 12v adapter, bought it for my
project, never used. photo available, $75.00 firm, including shipping, Ban
k or Postal Money Order only or cash.
HEADSET AV/COMM PN AC-200PNR. EXCELLENT TO NEAR NEW. LIGHTLY USED. Includes
PTT (You will need to order the adapter specific to your radio.) Photo ava
ilable. $100.00 firm including shipping. Bank or Postal Money order, or cas
h.
HEADSET SOFTCOMM C-90, excellent to near new condition. REPOSTING because I
had the wrong headset on the box in the photo! New photo available. Sorry.
$120 firm including shsipping. Bank or Postal Money order or cash.
PTT ADAPTER f/ ICOM handheld radio (used it with my IC-A22). Like new. $30
including shipping, Bank or Postal Money Order or cash.
BOOKS:
- AVIATION WEATHER, 3rd ed, Jeppesen, New Condition, $45.00 including shipp
ing. Bank or Postal Money Order only or cash.
- FLIGHT MANUEVERS, (author Michael Love), paperback, excellent condition,
$45.00 incuding shipping, Bank or Postal Money Order only or cash.
- KIT AIRPLANE CONSTRUCTION, 3rd edition, paperback, very good + condition,
$25.00 includes shipping, Bank or Postal Money Order only or cash.
- PRIVATE PILOT MANUAL, Jeppesen, hard cound very good to excellent conditi
on, $40.00 including shipping, Bank Money Order only or cash.
- STANDARD AIRCRAFT HANDBOOK FOR MECHANICS AND PILOTS, 6th edition, excelle
nt condition, $20.00 incuding shipping, Bank or Postal Money Order only or
cash.
- VISUALIZED FLIGHT MANUEVERS HANDBOOK FOR HIGH WING AIRCRAFT, rev. 2nd edi
tion, spiral bound, very good condition. $15.00 including shipping. Bank or
Postal Money only or cash.
- THE ULTRALIGHT PILOT=99S FLIGHT TRAINING MANUAL, USOA Code 060101,
condition excellent to near new. $ 15.00 including shipping, Bank Money Ord
er only or cash.
ALL OF ABOVE BOOKS PURCHASED TOGETHER: $150.00 including shipping, Bank Mon
ey Order only or cash.
SPECIAL OFFER: THE TONY BINGELES COLLECTION- -TONY BINGELIS ON ENGINES, New
Condition, -FIREWALL FORWARD, New Condition, -THE SPORTPLANE BUILDER, New
Condition, -SPORTPLANE CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES, New Condition. For sale AS
A SET ONLY, $75.00 including shipping. Bank Money Order only or cash.
WEIGHT AND BALANCE CALCULATOR (SOFTWARE), VFLITE WEIGHT AND BALANCE VISUALI
ZER (NOTE: Originally produced by VFlite.com Now licensed thru Jeppesen (th
eir item # JS202411), Windows Software, (includes SN) This is one really ne
at piece of software. $50.00 including shipping. Bank or Postal Money order
, or cash.
SPORTY=99S PROGRAMS (on DVD) include free shipping. Bank or Postal Mo
ney order, or cash.
: TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS (D326A) A really easy to watch to refresh the ole b
ean, $25, NON-FLIER=99S GUIDE TO THE COCKPIT (D992A) Your passengers
will enjoy this, $ 25, AIRSPACE AND WEATHER REVIEW (D534A) $25, PILOT
=99S GUIDE TO RUNWAY SAFETY (D764A) this program reinforces the necessity o
f paying attention. $25
Purchase ALL 4 SPORTY=99S DVDs $90 including shipping. Bank or Postal
Money order, or cash.
- ASA (Aviation Supplies and Academics) FREEDOM TO FLY Series DVD: SPORT PI
LOT CHECKRIDE =9CHOW TO FLY THROUGH YOUR PRACTICAL TEST IN A LIGHT-SP
ORT AIRCRAFT $40 including shipping. Bank or Postal Money order, or cash.
Sorry this is so long but it is necessary. Questions? eMail at: reinkings@c
omcast.net
Again, thanks for your patience, fellas. John
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They did copy the design, but they did some beefed up in the process, take a look
at the attached photos.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
http://sites.google.com/site/billplane/
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From: "afterfxllc@aol.com" <afterfxllc@aol.com>
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 2:44:40 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: (no subject)
Well it sure looks like they just copied it.
The airplane is mostly a 601 and the spar is the same just with more
rivets.
In a message dated 1/22/2010 1:51:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bill_dom@yahoo.com writes:
It doesn't use the same spar, that is a common misconception. It is
> similar but beefed up, the same with the center spar.
>
>William
> Dominguez
>Zodiac 601XL Plans
>Miami, Florida
>http://sites.google.com/site/billplane/
>
>
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From: "afterfxllc@aol.com"
> <afterfxllc@aol.com>
>To: zenith601-list@matronics.com;
> zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:16:01
> AM
>Subject: Zenith-List: (no
> subject)
>
>http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/PiperUnveilsPiperSportLSA_201878-1.html
>
>This uses the same cabin parts as the 601/650. And I think the same spar.
> Zenith should try and stop the sale's of this plane unless they have been paid
> for the use of the design.
>
>
>
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I think a many people agree that the Sport Cruiser is at least a
descendent of, if not a rip off of the 601. A much better looking
plane though.
When I went to F&S a couple of years ago looking for a plane, I sat in
the SC mockup cockpit. That bar made plane a no-go for me - no knee
room. The 601 is what I decided to build. That bar is pretty
substantial. Based on what we now know about the weaknesses of the
601, that bar doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Ron
On Jan 22, 2010, at 8:47 PM, chris Sinfield wrote:
> >
>
> Hey
> in thefuselagee photo it looks like a fixed metal bar across the
> center below the Inst panel.. I wonder how much strength that makes??
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283007#283007
>
>
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You must have not- been in one lately ,there are a great plane ,smooth qu
iet ,very well set upand they have adj. pedals. and a fiberglass frame arou
nd the canopy that makes it very firm,-I own a 601XL and I like it , but
it's no sportcruser by any streach,---- Joe N101HD601XL/RAM=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ronald Steele <rsteele@rj
sit.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:1
8:43 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: (no subject)=0A=0A--> Zenith-List m
essage posted by: Ronald Steele <rsteele@rjsit.com>=0A=0AI think a many peo
ple agree that the Sport Cruiser is at least a descendent of, if not a rip
off of the 601.- A much better looking plane though.=0AWhen I went to F&S
a couple of years ago looking for a plane, I sat in the SC mockup cockpit.
- That bar made plane a no-go for me - no knee room.- The- 601 is wha
t I decided to build.- That bar is pretty substantial.- Based on what w
e now know about the weaknesses of the 601, that bar doesn't make a lot of
sense to me.=0A=0ARon=0A=0A=0AOn Jan 22, 2010, at 8:47 PM, chris Sinfield w
field@yahoo.com.au>=0A> =0A> Hey=0A> in thefuselagee photo it looks like a
fixed metal bar across the center below the Inst panel.. I wonder how much
strength that makes??=0A> Chris=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic onl
ine here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283007#283
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Piper has done the same thing that alot of Co. are doing .I think they made
a perfect choice, It's tryed and trued and a great plane..-- Joe N101H
D- 601XL/RAM=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ron L
endon <ron.lendon@gmail.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, J
anuary 22, 2010 9:59:24 PM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Re: (no subject)=0A=0A--
he new Piper LSA is the Sport Crusier re-labeled=0A=0A--------=0ARon Lendon
, Clinton Township, MI=0AWW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing=0AZodiac
XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)=0Ahttp://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead t
his topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=2
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