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1. 03:55 AM - Re: MP3 SPA Carb question (Michel Therrien)
2. 04:02 PM - Re: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings (Gary Ray)
3. 05:25 PM - Re: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
4. 05:59 PM - Re: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
5. 07:12 PM - Re: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings (purplemoon99@bellsouth.net)
6. 07:28 PM - Re: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings (Gary Ray)
7. 08:30 PM - Re: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: MP3 SPA Carb question |
Thanks for the info and pictures!
do not archive
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Michel Therrien CH601-HD, C-GZGQ
http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601
http://pages.infinit.net/mthobby
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> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: MP3 SPA Carb question
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| Subject: | Re: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings |
I agree it could be to close.
I have finished my aileron upgrade and took them out to trial fit them
today. The distance that I used was 320 mm due to existing holes that I
had.
They fit fine, with the ailerons clamped in the neutral position, I
measured 85 mm above the top end of the bar to the top skin and 85 mm
below the bottom end of the bar to the bottom skin. Lateral clearance
from the outboard face of the distal end of the bar to the beginning of
the slanted wingtip skin on the bottom was 40 mm.
The 97 degree angle for the bar apears to be correct.
Still
I would have moved the installation inbound to the 300mm mark which
would put the impact area of the weights better centered over the skin
protection plates.
Gary Ray
davgray@sbcglobal.net
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From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com ; zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:25 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings
I have just finished installing the counter balance upgrade and the
LAA measurements will not work as printed. If you lay out the new ribs
to the 327.3 the counter balance weights will not clear the lower
wingtip and will hang out of the wingtip if you install the weights on
the outboard side of the square tube.
The plans don't show this but the fix is either move the ribs 200 mm
inboard or making the ribs 90 degrees of the hinge line.
for those of you that have already rivited them as to the drawings you
will have to install all but one of your weights inboard and one of the
thin weights outboard to keep the tube from crushing.
Have Fun
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| Subject: | Re: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings |
Thanks Gary so to recap .
If you used 300 mm and only had 40 mm side clearance then 327 would only
give you 13 mm side clearance which on the aileron without the trim tab might
work but the aileron with the trim requires much more weight and 40 mm
will not be enough because you will hit the rivets. I think the balance weight
arm should be 127 mm from the first rib and that would clear up any
misalignment.
Also was the 40 mm with weight or just the arm?
Jeff
In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:03:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
davgray@sbcglobal.net writes:
I agree it could be to close.
I have finished my aileron upgrade and took them out to trial fit them
today. The distance that I used was 320 mm due to existing holes that I had.
They fit fine, with the ailerons clamped in the neutral position, I
measured 85 mm above the top end of the bar to the top skin and 85 mm below the
bottom end of the bar to the bottom skin. Lateral clearance from the
outboard face of the distal end of the bar to the beginning of the slanted
wingtip skin on the bottom was 40 mm.
The 97 degree angle for the bar apears to be correct.
Still
I would have moved the installation inbound to the 300mm mark which would
put the impact area of the weights better centered over the skin protection
plates.
Gary Ray
_davgray@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:davgray@sbcglobal.net)
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Subject: Zenith-List: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings
I have just finished installing the counter balance upgrade and the LAA
measurements will not work as printed. If you lay out the new ribs to the
327.3 the counter balance weights will not clear the lower wingtip and will
hang out of the wingtip if you install the weights on the outboard side of
the square tube.
The plans don't show this but the fix is either move the ribs 200 mm
inboard or making the ribs 90 degrees of the hinge line.
for those of you that have already rivited them as to the drawings you
will have to install all but one of your weights inboard and one of the thin
weights outboard to keep the tube from crushing.
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| Subject: | Re: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings |
sorry 320 mm so that would give you 33 mm
In a message dated 2/3/2010 8:25:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Afterfxllc@aol.com writes:
Thanks Gary so to recap .
If you used 300 mm and only had 40 mm side clearance then 327 would only
give you 13 mm side clearance which on the aileron without the trim tab might
work but the aileron with the trim requires much more weight and 40 mm
will not be enough because you will hit the rivets. I think the balance weight
arm should be 127 mm from the first rib and that would clear up any
misalignment.
Also was the 40 mm with weight or just the arm?
Jeff
In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:03:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
davgray@sbcglobal.net writes:
I agree it could be to close.
I have finished my aileron upgrade and took them out to trial fit them
today. The distance that I used was 320 mm due to existing holes that I had.
They fit fine, with the ailerons clamped in the neutral position, I
measured 85 mm above the top end of the bar to the top skin and 85 mm below the
bottom end of the bar to the bottom skin. Lateral clearance from the
outboard face of the distal end of the bar to the beginning of the slanted
wingtip skin on the bottom was 40 mm.
The 97 degree angle for the bar apears to be correct.
Still
I would have moved the installation inbound to the 300mm mark which would
put the impact area of the weights better centered over the skin protection
plates.
Gary Ray
_davgray@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:davgray@sbcglobal.net)
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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:25 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings
I have just finished installing the counter balance upgrade and the LAA
measurements will not work as printed. If you lay out the new ribs to the
327.3 the counter balance weights will not clear the lower wingtip and will
hang out of the wingtip if you install the weights on the outboard side of
the square tube.
The plans don't show this but the fix is either move the ribs 200 mm
inboard or making the ribs 90 degrees of the hinge line.
for those of you that have already rivited them as to the drawings you
will have to install all but one of your weights inboard and one of the thin
weights outboard to keep the tube from crushing.
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| Subject: | Re: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings |
It wouldn't b a bad idea for you guy's to think about putting a inspection
hole in the tipso you can get the weights off if you want to remove the ale
ron with out drilling the wing skin again,also would be nice to look in the
re durning a annual insp. . Were having a good time doing this,lots of fell
ow ship and fun all around. we work about 6 to 7 hr. every day fly a hr. or
two then work some more.I've used this refitto do some changes like adding
-a aleron trim ,design a new paint color paint and design.,=0Aplus build
a different console and interior. another thing I'am going to do is pop th
e top off the back and stiffen up the sides of the- plane ,Zenith said th
at helps alot with the oil canning noise ,they do that on all of the 650 as
Oh ! going to put a access door in the bottom of the plane just behind the
seats ,will make it a lot-easier to get to the cables,long as I'am here
might as well do the changes and -make a much better air craft-look's l
ike I'am going to have it for a long time. I'de like to thank Zenith for th
e-great job -there doin getting these kits out so fast and supplying us
with the parts we need to do this fix.-- Can you belive that only 85%
of the 601 Xl are fixing there aircraft,That is sad. If we have any more wi
ng failure's we'll know who fixed and who didn't.Hope you guy's are having
as much fun as I am If I can be any help let me know. got to go we start ea
rly every day .FLY SAFE----------- -Joe N101HD- 6
01XL
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010 3:09:18 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Counter balance snag in the LAA
drawings=0A=0A=0AI agree it could be to close.=0A=0AI have finished my aile
ron upgrade and took them out to trial fit them today.- The distance that
I used was 320 mm due to existing holes that I had.- =0AThey fit fine,
- with the ailerons clamped in the neutral position, I measured 85 mm abo
ve the top end of the bar to the top skin and 85 mm below the bottom end of
the bar to the bottom skin.- Lateral clearance from the outboard face of
the distal end of the bar to the-beginning of the slanted wingtip skin o
n the bottom-was 40 mm.=0AThe 97 degree angle for the bar apears to be co
rrect.=0A=0AStill=0AI would have moved the installation inbound to the 300m
m mark which would put the impact area of the weights better centered over
the skin protection plates.=0A=0A=0AGary Ray=0Adavgray@sbcglobal.net=0A=0A
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ary 02, 2010 5:25 AM=0A>Subject: Zenith-List: Counter balance snag in the L
AA drawings=0A>=0A>I have just finished installing the counter balance upgr
ade and the LAA measurements will not work as printed. If you lay out the n
ew ribs to the 327.3 the counter balance weights will not clear the lower w
ingtip and will hang out of the wingtip if you install the weights on the o
utboard side of the square tube.=0A>=0A>The plans don't show this but the f
ix is either move the ribs 200 mm inboard or making the ribs 90 degrees of
the hinge line.=0A>=0A>for those of you that have already rivited them as t
o the drawings you will have to install all but one of your weights inboard
and one of the thin weights outboard to keep the tube from crushing.=0A>
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| Subject: | Re: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings |
Jeff
The 40 mm clearance is without any weights. Measured laterally from the
outboard face of the bar to the start of the wingtip slant of the bottom
skin. So if I had choosen 300 mm I would have had 60mm. I did this
work without having the wings available for reference. Seemed a better
idea at the time due to 9 degree weather in Michigan.
I would definitely recommend everybody double check the clearance before
going with the call out in the plans. It is better than 27 new useless
holes in your ailerons.
Another possible interference is with the top skin anti oil-canning
L-angles.
Gary Ray
davgray@sbcglobal.net
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To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings
sorry 320 mm so that would give you 33 mm
In a message dated 2/3/2010 8:25:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Afterfxllc@aol.com writes:
Thanks Gary so to recap .
If you used 300 mm and only had 40 mm side clearance then 327 would
only give you 13 mm side clearance which on the aileron without the trim
tab might work but the aileron with the trim requires much more weight
and 40 mm will not be enough because you will hit the rivets. I think
the balance weight arm should be 127 mm from the first rib and that
would clear up any misalignment.
Also was the 40 mm with weight or just the arm?
Jeff
In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:03:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
davgray@sbcglobal.net writes:
I agree it could be to close.
I have finished my aileron upgrade and took them out to trial fit
them today. The distance that I used was 320 mm due to existing holes
that I had.
They fit fine, with the ailerons clamped in the neutral position,
I measured 85 mm above the top end of the bar to the top skin and 85 mm
below the bottom end of the bar to the bottom skin. Lateral clearance
from the outboard face of the distal end of the bar to the beginning of
the slanted wingtip skin on the bottom was 40 mm.
The 97 degree angle for the bar apears to be correct.
Still
I would have moved the installation inbound to the 300mm mark
which would put the impact area of the weights better centered over the
skin protection plates.
Gary Ray
davgray@sbcglobal.net
----- Original Message -----
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To: zenith601-list@matronics.com ; zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:25 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings
I have just finished installing the counter balance upgrade and
the LAA measurements will not work as printed. If you lay out the new
ribs to the 327.3 the counter balance weights will not clear the lower
wingtip and will hang out of the wingtip if you install the weights on
the outboard side of the square tube.
The plans don't show this but the fix is either move the ribs
200 mm inboard or making the ribs 90 degrees of the hinge line.
for those of you that have already rivited them as to the
drawings you will have to install all but one of your weights inboard
and one of the thin weights outboard to keep the tube from crushing.
Have Fun
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| Subject: | Re: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings |
Gary
I think your weights will be more than 40 mm... I would measure mine but
the wing is closed now. I do know that the wing with the trim is more than 40
mm. another concern is the weights hitting the rivet row in the lower skin
I hope it works out for you I wish I had moved it in board a bit.
Jeff
In a message dated 2/3/2010 10:29:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
davgray@sbcglobal.net writes:
Jeff
The 40 mm clearance is without any weights. Measured laterally from the
outboard face of the bar to the start of the wingtip slant of the bottom
skin. So if I had choosen 300 mm I would have had 60mm. I did this work
without having the wings available for reference. Seemed a better idea at the
time due to 9 degree weather in Michigan.
I would definitely recommend everybody double check the clearance before
going with the call out in the plans. It is better than 27 new useless
holes in your ailerons.
Another possible interference is with the top skin anti oil-canning
L-angles.
Gary Ray
_davgray@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:davgray@sbcglobal.net)
----- Original Message -----
From: _Afterfxllc@aol.com_ (mailto:Afterfxllc@aol.com)
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings
sorry 320 mm so that would give you 33 mm
In a message dated 2/3/2010 8:25:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_Afterfxllc@aol.com_ (mailto:Afterfxllc@aol.com) writes:
Thanks Gary so to recap .
If you used 300 mm and only had 40 mm side clearance then 327 would only
give you 13 mm side clearance which on the aileron without the trim tab
might work but the aileron with the trim requires much more weight and 40 mm
will not be enough because you will hit the rivets. I think the balance
weight arm should be 127 mm from the first rib and that would clear up any
misalignment.
Also was the 40 mm with weight or just the arm?
Jeff
In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:03:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
davgray@sbcglobal.net writes:
I agree it could be to close.
I have finished my aileron upgrade and took them out to trial fit them
today. The distance that I used was 320 mm due to existing holes that I had.
They fit fine, with the ailerons clamped in the neutral position, I
measured 85 mm above the top end of the bar to the top skin and 85 mm below the
bottom end of the bar to the bottom skin. Lateral clearance from the
outboard face of the distal end of the bar to the beginning of the slanted
wingtip skin on the bottom was 40 mm.
The 97 degree angle for the bar apears to be correct.
Still
I would have moved the installation inbound to the 300mm mark which would
put the impact area of the weights better centered over the skin protection
plates.
Gary Ray
_davgray@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:davgray@sbcglobal.net)
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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:25 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Counter balance snag in the LAA drawings
I have just finished installing the counter balance upgrade and the LAA
measurements will not work as printed. If you lay out the new ribs to the
327.3 the counter balance weights will not clear the lower wingtip and will
hang out of the wingtip if you install the weights on the outboard side of
the square tube.
The plans don't show this but the fix is either move the ribs 200 mm
inboard or making the ribs 90 degrees of the hinge line.
for those of you that have already rivited them as to the drawings you
will have to install all but one of your weights inboard and one of the thin
weights outboard to keep the tube from crushing.
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