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1. 06:19 AM - Chat reminder for "Digesters" (George Race)
2. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up (Larry McFarland)
3. 08:08 AM - ICOM IC-A210 For sale (ga23)
4. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up (Juan Vega)
5. 10:45 AM - Re: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up (Juan Vega)
6. 02:46 PM - Re: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up (n801bh@netzero.com)
7. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up (purplemoon99@bellsouth.net)
8. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up (Juan Vega)
9. 06:01 PM - Aileron Stops (Peter W Johnson)
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| Subject: | Chat reminder for "Digesters" |
Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT
www.mykitairplane.com <blocked::http://www.mykitairplane.com/>
Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up |
Dave,
Most of the XL engines are Rotax, Corvair and 0-200s, which is not
different from the ones used in HD series.
They fly a bit faster with the thin wing, but that's about it.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Dave Austin wrote:
>
> Has enyone correlated the installed engines in the 601 HD and HDS
> versus the engines in the XL? I get the feeling that XLs generally
> are higher powered.
> Could that be a factor in the crashes?
> Dave Austin
>
>
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| Subject: | ICOM IC-A210 For sale |
I have a brand new in box IC-A210 transceiver for sell. I bought it for my CH 701
but then I decided to go with the XCOM because it can be operated directly
from my MGL Odyssey glass pannel.
$890.00 delivered anywhre in the US. Payment via Paypal.
(Current AS price is $1,339.00)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285215#285215
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up |
to your last two quewstions, nope and nope
-----Original Message-----
>From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
>Sent: Feb 6, 2010 9:55 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up
>
>
>Hello Juan,
>
>Sorry I missed you in Miami. As far as the math goes, the 50% thicker Piper
spar doublers make a lot more sense than changing out a portion of the top spar
cap.
>
>Have you got your bird back in the air yet? How about the one the kids built?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285157#285157
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up |
if yu read the wind conditions at the time of the crash, the plane was on the leward
side of the mountain with gusts up to30 +knots.
sincerley
Oh kind sir, Jr.
-----Original Message-----
>From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
>Sent: Feb 6, 2010 7:41 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up
>
>Ya Know... I just have to chime in.
>The Yuba City crash has extensive radar return data that clearly shows that plane
going at or very close to the "MANAUVERING" speed... Tell us oh kind sir.....
What broke that 601 XL apart. ????????
>
>
>Ben Haas
>N801BH
>www.haaspowerair.com
>
>---------- Original Message ----------
>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up
>Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:25:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>
>
>funny how y'all are stil skirting the manauvering speed issue. So focused on
protecting the flaw issue, I keep saying manauvering speed, everyone says, Huh?
>too funny.
>
>Juan
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>Sent: Feb 6, 2010 2:54 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up
>>
>>
>>SAbrina and all,
>>Don't missenterpret what I say, what I said was people need to get used to a
lite wing load plane, NOT "Juan's concern with the pitch sensitivity", , that
is dispositive of the issue. Any aircraft that has a cruise of 138 mph and
a manauvering speed of 103 mph needs to be treated and flown with a sense of complete
mental awareness. And trainig needs to be constant. Case and point,
when I brought up the manuavering speed a year ago, peoples' response was "
manuavering speed? whats that?" The plane is safe, if flown properly within
specs, and built correctly, that is what I said, and over time when the mods
are done, this statement will be less ignored and not as debated.
>>before you email me some opinion, read the MU-2 articles and the articles on
training equals safe pilot.
>>Juan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
>>>Sent: Feb 6, 2010 1:04 PM
>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello Jay!
>>>
>>>I think Juan is worried, as am I, that the upgrade did not address the airframe's
unique sensitivity during max gross weight, max aft CG loadings. I am lucky
enough to have been trained by a skilled 601XL pilot, someone who knows the
airplane like the back of their hand, someone who has the ability to impart
that knowledge onto their student in an effective way--many other pilots are
not so lucky.
>>>
>>>As Octave Chanute used to warn, there have been just as many overbuilt bridge
failures as underbuilt bridge failures. Overbuilt is not necessarily good.
Trained, even over trained on this issue, might be a good thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285077#285077
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up |
Yeah,, That's why a good pilot slows down to manauvering speed, The plan
e 'should' stall before the airframe breaks.. But the radar data showed
a climb.. Hmmm,, maybe that's the way planes stall in california, they g
o up. <G>.
my last comment on this.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follo
w-up
if yu read the wind conditions at the time of the crash, the plane was o
n the leward side of the mountain with gusts up to30 +knots.
sincerley
Oh kind sir, Jr.
-----Original Message-----
>From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
>Sent: Feb 6, 2010 7:41 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, foll
ow-up
>
>Ya Know... I just have to chime in.
>The Yuba City crash has extensive radar return data that clearly shows
that plane going at or very close to the "MANAUVERING" speed... Tell us
oh kind sir..... What broke that 601 XL apart. ????????
>
>
>Ben Haas
>N801BH
>www.haaspowerair.com
>
>---------- Original Message ----------
>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith
-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, foll
ow-up
>Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:25:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>
>
>
>funny how y'all are stil skirting the manauvering speed issue. So focu
sed on protecting the flaw issue, I keep saying manauvering speed, ever
yone says, Huh?
>too funny.
>
>Juan
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>Sent: Feb 6, 2010 2:54 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, fol
low-up
>>
t>
>>
>>SAbrina and all,
>>Don't missenterpret what I say, what I said was people need to get us
ed to a lite wing load plane, NOT "Juan's concern with the pitch sensit
ivity", , that is dispositive of the issue. Any aircraft that has a cru
ise of 138 mph and a manauvering speed of 103 mph needs to be treated an
d flown with a sense of complete mental awareness. And trainig needs to
be constant. Case and point, when I brought up the manuavering speed
a year ago, peoples' response was " manuavering speed? whats that?" T
he plane is safe, if flown properly within specs, and built correctly,
that is what I said, and over time when the mods are done, this statem
ent will be less ignored and not as debated.
>>before you email me some opinion, read the MU-2 articles and the art
icles on training equals safe pilot.
>>Juan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
>>>Sent: Feb 6, 2010 1:04 PM
>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow
-up
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello Jay!
>>>
>>>I think Juan is worried, as am I, that the upgrade did not address th
e airframe's unique sensitivity during max gross weight, max aft CG load
ings. I am lucky enough to have been trained by a skilled 601XL pilot,
someone who knows the airplane like the back of their hand, someone who
has the ability to impart that knowledge onto their student in an effect
ive way--many other pilots are not so lucky.
>>>
>>>As Octave Chanute used to warn, there have been just as many overbuil
t bridge failures as underbuilt bridge failures. Overbuilt is not neces
sarily good. Trained, even over trained on this issue, might be a good
thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285077#285077
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up |
-Ben ,I'am with you ben same ole shit from the same old shit heads, day i
n and day -out the exact reason that all you ever see is- Kobe,KOBE-
ON THIS LIST ANY MORE, AT LEAST THEY HAVE SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO TALK AB
OUT INSTEAD OF THE SAME OLD 5 YEAR- Old- crap- -Joe N101HD=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh
@netzero.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, February 7, 2010
5:32:43 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing camp
aign, follow-up=0A=0A=0AYeah,, That's why-a good pilot-slows down to ma
nauvering speed, The plane 'should' stall before the airframe breaks.. But
the radar data showed a climb.. Hmmm,, maybe that's the way planes stall in
california, they go up. <G>.=0Amy last comment on this.=0Ado not archive
=0A=0A=0ABen Haas=0AN801BH=0Awww.haaspowerair.com=0A=0A---------- Original
Message ----------=0AFrom: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>=0ATo: zeni
th-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List
: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up=0ADate: Sun, 7 Feb 201
ega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>=0A=0Aif yu read the wind conditions at the
time of the crash, the plane was on the leward side of the mountain with gu
sts up to30 +knots. -=0Asincerley =0AOh kind sir, Jr.=0A=0A=0A-----Origin
al Message-----=0A>From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>=0A>Sent:
Feb 6, 2010 7:41 PM=0A>To: zenith-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Zenit
h-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up=0A>=0A>Ya Know..
.. I just have to chime in.=0A>The Yuba City crash has extensive radar retur
n data that clearly shows that plane going at or very close to the "MANAUVE
RING" speed... Tell us oh kind sir..... What broke that 601 XL apart. ?????
???=0A>=0A>=0A>Ben Haas=0A>N801BH=0A>www.haaspowerair.com=0A>=0A>----------
Original Message ----------=0A>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
=0A>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com, ----
---zenith-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recomme
nded Letter-writing campaign, follow-up=0A>Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:25:41 -
ga2005@earthlink.net>=0A>=0A>funny how y'all are stil skirting the manauver
ing speed issue. -So focused on protecting the flaw issue, -I keep sayi
ng manauvering speed, everyone says, -Huh?=0A>too funny.=0A>=0A>Juan=0A>
=0A>=0A>-----Original Message-----=0A>>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthli
nk.net>=0A>>Sent: Feb 6, 2010 2:54 PM=0A>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, ze
nith-list@matronics.com=0A>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Lette
uan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>=0A>>=0A>>SAbrina and all,=0A>>Don't mi
ssenterpret what I say, -what I said was people need to get used to a lit
e wing load plane, -NOT "Juan's concern with the pitch sensitivity", , th
at is dispositive of the issue. -Any aircraft that has a cruise of 138 mp
h and a manauvering speed of 103 mph needs to be treated and flown with a s
ense of complete mental awareness. -And trainig needs to be constant. -
Case and point, -when I brought up the manuavering speed a year ago, -p
eoples' response was " manuavering speed? whats that?" --The plane is s
afe, -if flown properly within specs, and built correctly, that is what I
said, and over time -when the mods are done, -this statement will be l
ess ignored and not as debated.=0A>>before you email me some -opinion,
-read the MU-2 articles and the articles on training equals safe pilot.
=0A>>Juan=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>-----Original Message-----=0A>>>From: Sab
rina <chicago2paris@msn.com>=0A>>>Sent: Feb 6, 2010 1:04 PM=0A>>>To: zenith
-list@matronics.com=0A>>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writi
na" <chicago2paris@msn.com>=0A>>>=0A>>>Hello Jay!=0A>>>=0A>>>I think Juan i
s worried, as am I, that the upgrade did not address the airframe's unique
sensitivity during max gross weight, max aft CG loadings. -I am lucky eno
ugh to have been trained by a skilled 601XL pilot, someone who knows the ai
rplane like the back of their hand, someone who has the ability to impart t
hat knowledge onto their student in an effective way--many other pilots are
not so lucky. -=0A>>>=0A>>>As Octave Chanute used to warn, there have be
en just as many overbuilt bridge failures as underbuilt bridge failures.
-Overbuilt is not necessarily good. -Trained, even over trained on this
issue, might be a good thing.=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Read this topic
online here:=0A>>>=0A>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=2850
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up |
my emailing and beer drinkin judt dont mix. Who Dat!
Juan,
-----Original Message-----
>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Feb 7, 2010 1:36 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up
>
>
>if yu read the wind conditions at the time of the crash, the plane was on the
leward side of the mountain with gusts up to30 +knots.
>sincerley
> Oh kind sir, Jr.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
>>Sent: Feb 6, 2010 7:41 PM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up
>>
>>Ya Know... I just have to chime in.
>>The Yuba City crash has extensive radar return data that clearly shows that plane
going at or very close to the "MANAUVERING" speed... Tell us oh kind sir.....
What broke that 601 XL apart. ????????
>>
>>
>>Ben Haas
>>N801BH
>>www.haaspowerair.com
>>
>>---------- Original Message ----------
>>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up
>>Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:25:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>>
>>
>>funny how y'all are stil skirting the manauvering speed issue. So focused on
protecting the flaw issue, I keep saying manauvering speed, everyone says,
Huh?
>>too funny.
>>
>>Juan
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>>Sent: Feb 6, 2010 2:54 PM
>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up
>>>
>>>
>>>SAbrina and all,
>>>Don't missenterpret what I say, what I said was people need to get used to
a lite wing load plane, NOT "Juan's concern with the pitch sensitivity", , that
is dispositive of the issue. Any aircraft that has a cruise of 138 mph and
a manauvering speed of 103 mph needs to be treated and flown with a sense of
complete mental awareness. And trainig needs to be constant. Case and point,
when I brought up the manuavering speed a year ago, peoples' response was "
manuavering speed? whats that?" The plane is safe, if flown properly within
specs, and built correctly, that is what I said, and over time when the mods
are done, this statement will be less ignored and not as debated.
>>>before you email me some opinion, read the MU-2 articles and the articles
on training equals safe pilot.
>>>Juan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Sabrina <chicago2paris@msn.com>
>>>>Sent: Feb 6, 2010 1:04 PM
>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hello Jay!
>>>>
>>>>I think Juan is worried, as am I, that the upgrade did not address the airframe's
unique sensitivity during max gross weight, max aft CG loadings. I am
lucky enough to have been trained by a skilled 601XL pilot, someone who knows
the airplane like the back of their hand, someone who has the ability to impart
that knowledge onto their student in an effective way--many other pilots are
not so lucky.
>>>>
>>>>As Octave Chanute used to warn, there have been just as many overbuilt bridge
failures as underbuilt bridge failures. Overbuilt is not necessarily good.
Trained, even over trained on this issue, might be a good thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285077#285077
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Hi Guys,
I have just about finished installing the upgrade mods and I am just about
to do the aileron stops. I have stops on the wing at the aileron control
arm. Why do I need them in the fuse as well?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://zodiac.cpc-world.com
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