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1. 08:39 AM - Re: Aileron Stops (DaveG601XL)
2. 08:58 AM - Sad News (Bill Pagan)
3. 12:50 PM - rivet sets (Jim Belcher)
4. 01:27 PM - Re: rivet sets (Bill Pagan)
5. 02:28 PM - Re: rivet sets (DaveG601XL)
6. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Stops (Tony Graziano)
7. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Stops (Peter W Johnson)
8. 03:21 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Sad News (Larry McFarland)
9. 04:03 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Stops (passpat@aol.com)
10. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Stops (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
11. 09:55 PM - OLD CFI's thoughts (EMAproducts@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Stops |
Peter,
I believe the thinking here is to have a stop in the system prior to the loads
being transmitted into the wings. For example, if climbing into the airplane,
a passenger leaned on the stick quite hard, the loads would be taken by the new
stop. This way, there would be no deformation of either the cable or wing
structure which could cause cable slack.
That's my impression. Good luck with the mods. I am about 2/3rd's done myself.
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David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
116.5 hours and holding (incorporating upgrade)
Read this topic online here:
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Just learned the sad news that Morry Hummel passed on February-4.-=0A
-Bill Pagan =0A=0A=0A
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All was going semi-well with the mod kit, until I went to set the AD5 (and
AD6) rivets. It seems I've never had a reason to set this size rivet, and
don't have a matching rivet set.
Unless I'm missing something, ATS, Aircraft Spruce, and the others where I
usually buy tools don't seem to have sets this big for rivet guns. Has anyone
found these? If so, where?
TIA.
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General Radio Telephone Certificate
Instrument Rated Pilot
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hi Jim,=0A=0AOrdered mine from ATS - Part #120.- Was $29.95 for-a flush
and 4 universal sets=0A-Bill Pagan =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________
________________=0AFrom: Jim Belcher <z601c@anemicaardvark.com>=0ATo: zenit
h601-list@matronics.com; zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, February 8,
2010 3:47:06 PM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: rivet sets=0A=0A--> Zenith-List me
ssage posted by: Jim Belcher <z601c@anemicaardvark.com>=0A=0AAll was going
semi-well with the mod kit, until I went to set the AD5 (and =0AAD6) rivets
. It seems I've never had a reason to set this size rivet, and =0Adon't hav
e a matching rivet set. =0A=0AUnless I'm missing something, ATS, Aircraft S
pruce, and the others where I =0Ausually buy tools don't seem to have sets
this big for rivet guns. Has anyone =0Afound these? If so, where?=0A=0ATIA.
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Jim,
Aircraft Spruce has them here:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/topcanrivetsets.php
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David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
116.5 hours and holding (incorporating upgrade)
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Stops |
I have dual sticks. The dual stick config is such that I hit the physical limit
of max aileron input at the same time the ailerons hit their stops.
Tony Graziano
XL/Jab. 550+ hrs
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 8, 2010, at 10:38 AM, "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher@ge.com> wrote:
Peter,
I believe the thinking here is to have a stop in the system prior to the loads
being transmitted into the wings. For example, if climbing into the airplane,
a passenger leaned on the stick quite hard, the loads would be taken by the new
stop. This way, there would be no deformation of either the cable or wing
structure which could cause cable slack.
That's my impression. Good luck with the mods. I am about 2/3rd's done myself.
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
116.5 hours and holding (incorporating upgrade)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285369#285369
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Stops |
Thanks Guys,
I still have my control rod mods in place so I'll have a word with my AP
(your DAR) to see if they are still required.
Thanks
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://zodiac.cpc-world.com
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL
Sent: Tuesday, 9 February 2010 3:39 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Stops
Peter,
I believe the thinking here is to have a stop in the system prior to the
loads being transmitted into the wings. For example, if climbing into the
airplane, a passenger leaned on the stick quite hard, the loads would be
taken by the new stop. This way, there would be no deformation of either
the cable or wing structure which could cause cable slack.
That's my impression. Good luck with the mods. I am about 2/3rd's done
myself.
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
116.5 hours and holding (incorporating upgrade)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285369#285369
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Spoke with him at Oshkosh last year. He was a very pleasant person.
Loved his plane! Really keen construction.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Stops |
All you folks might check the total travel of your ailerons to see if its
within the limits of the drawings and adjust the stops accordingly.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Graziano <Tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:55 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron Stops
I have dual sticks. The dual stick config is such that I hit the physical
limit
f max aileron input at the same time the ailerons hit their stops.
Tony Graziano
L/Jab. 550+ hrs
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 8, 2010, at 10:38 AM, "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher@ge.com> wrote
:
Peter,
I believe the thinking here is to have a stop in the system prior to the
loads
eing transmitted into the wings. For example, if climbing into the airpla
ne, a
assenger leaned on the stick quite hard, the loads would be taken by the
new
top. This way, there would be no deformation of either the cable or wing
tructure which could cause cable slack.
That's my impression. Good luck with the mods. I am about 2/3rd's done
myself.
--------
avid Gallagher
01 XL/Jabiru 3300
irst flight 7/24/08
16.5 hours and holding (incorporating upgrade)
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285369#285369
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Stops |
I would be willing to bet most planes have more than 11.5 degrees of
deflection if you are hitting the stops.
Jeff
In a message dated 2/8/2010 6:03:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Tonyplane@bellsouth.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tony Graziano <Tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
I have dual sticks. The dual stick config is such that I hit the physical
limit of max aileron input at the same time the ailerons hit their stops.
Tony Graziano
XL/Jab. 550+ hrs
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 8, 2010, at 10:38 AM, "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher@ge.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
Peter,
I believe the thinking here is to have a stop in the system prior to the
loads being transmitted into the wings. For example, if climbing into the
airplane, a passenger leaned on the stick quite hard, the loads would be
taken by the new stop. This way, there would be no deformation of either the
cable or wing structure which could cause cable slack.
That's my impression. Good luck with the mods. I am about 2/3rd's done
myself.
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
116.5 hours and holding (incorporating upgrade)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285369#285369
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| Subject: | OLD CFI's thoughts |
re Zenith problems
As a CFI for 48 years, I've flown over 140 makes and models of aircraft for
over 25,000 hours. That really doesn't mean anything except ~ Evidently
I've done something right for a few thousand hours and was lucky several
times. That being said, and my not having flown a Zenith, but many other
homebuilts and LSA aircraft prior to their being LSA's. I have noticed a
problem with many many pilots that have flown only one or two types of aircraft
is they are extremely rough on the controls. I've noticed when asking
them to slow down 5 kts, they raise the nose abruptly 10 degrees or so! Now
with the very light control pressures, and the pressures not changing much
to really load up the airplane I can see several of the pilots I've given
Flight Reviews to doing what has evidently been done to the Zenith ~~
overstressing by having no "feel" for the aircraft. As many have said proper
checkout and flying will eliminate many of the problems, if not all. Flying
any aircraft within the parameters it was designed to be flown, aerobatics,
buzz jobs, and rough handling of the controls is forgivable in some
aircraft, but in some it may not be. When the control pressures don't change
but a
very small amount with the increasing "G" load it is easy to overload the
aircraft.
I'm not saying there are no problems with the aircraft, however studying
the accidents of the homebuilt group of pilots there is an extreme number of
useless accidents many which would not have happened had the person flown
the aircraft within the limitations of the aircraft, and the FAR's
FLY SMOOTH and Fly SAFE
Elbie Mendenhall
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