---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/13/10: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:44 AM - Re: Alieron Gussets (Ashley) 2. 07:31 AM - Re: Upgrade kit and Solid Rivets (William Dominguez) 3. 08:04 AM - You think YOU have it bad... (Bill Naumuk) 4. 08:46 AM - Re: Alieron Gussets (Bill Pagan) 5. 08:47 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/12/10 (Joe) 6. 01:01 PM - Re: Alieron Gussets (Robert Taylor) 7. 01:02 PM - Re: Alieron Gussets (Robert Taylor) 8. 04:46 PM - Centre Wing Spar (Robert Taylor) 9. 08:29 PM - Re: Upgrade kit and Solid Rivets (John Smith) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:50 AM PST US From: "Ashley" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Alieron Gussets Rob Check your kit again, they were included in mine. But to answer your question file attached. Floyd Wilkes 601XL From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Taylor Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:50 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Alieron Gussets Can anyone help direct me to drawings for Alieron Gussets 65W2-5 and 65W2-6 ? I am doing the mods on the left wing and the gussets weren't supplied in the mod kit. I seem to recall seeing the drawings for these gussets some time ago, being a modification to the alierons. If I can get the size and thickness of these gussets I'll make them. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Rob Taylor 601 XL _____ Find your next place with Ninemsn pro='_new'>Looking for a place to rent, share or buy? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:28 AM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upgrade kit and Solid Rivets Rivet squeezer and gun/bucking bar are not the only way to drive solid rivets to the spar. I'm using an harbor press, it works well and is the cheaper method. I created a jig that holds the spar in the right position and angle in relation to the harbor press. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami, Florida http://sites.google.com/site/billplane/ ________________________________ From: lwhitlow Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 2:17:13 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Upgrade kit and Solid Rivets So I've got the upgrade kit on hand. I've removed the solid rivets from the center section and the left wing and I've removed the angle on the top of the wing spar. Soon I'm gonna have to put it all back together and I need some advice. There's no one around that has a rivet gun and I've never bucked rivet one, so I'm in the position of having to buy the tools anyway I'm actually leaning toward a rivet squeezer instead of a gun/bucking bar. it seems like the learning curve is way smaller with a squeezer than a gun, and since I'm teaching myself on my spars I'd like to just get it right the first time The squeezer shown is a Atlantic Aircraft Tools Tandem Alligator 3" Deep Rivet Squeezer 1/4" Rivet Set Dies Its a tandem cylinder unit which means it has enough oomph to squeeze the spar rivets and the jaws have enough room to reach around the angles at the top of the spar used its about $300 Comments ??? Concerns??? Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286180#286180 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.co; -Matt Dralle, Lis ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:46 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: You think YOU have it bad... All- Just read where NASA sent up a chunk of the space station that won't bolt up. Try improvising in zero G! do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS N601MG/Corvair 95% ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:51 AM PST US From: Bill Pagan Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Alieron Gussets Hey Rob,=0A=0AThe gussets are shown on drawing 6-ZU-4=0A=0AThey are in the upgrade kit and on the inventory sheet I-received=0A-Bill Pagan =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Robert Taylor =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, February 13, 2010 2:50:11 AM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Alieron Gussets=0A=0A-=0ACan anyone help direct me to drawings for Alieron Gussets 65W2-5 and 65W2-6 ? =0A-=0AI am doing the mods on the left wing and the gussets weren't suppl ied in the mod kit.- I seem to recall seeing the drawings for these gusse ts some time ago, being a modification to the alierons.=0A-=0AIf I can ge t the size and thickness of these gussets I'll make them.- =0A-=0AAny h elp would be gratefully appreciated.=0A-=0ARob Taylor=0A601 XL=0A-=0A -=0A=0A________________________________=0AFind your next place with Ninem ===============0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:09 AM PST US From: "Joe" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/12/10 Larry, I was in the same boat as you. I didn't want to purchase a 4X gun because I will never use it again! I removed the leading edge completely, then removed the spar from the wing. I used a drill press to remove all of the rivets. That way, they all came out nice and straight. I used a drill stop to remove the maximum amount of material from the rivet. They came out with one or two taps with the hammer and punch. Seeing that the spar was out of the plane, I replaced the entire 10 ft extrusion from end to end. I drilled out the holes and placed the rivets in the holes, then taped over the rivet head. I took the spar to my local FBO and I had an A&P do the rivets with his tools. He had lots of experience with rivets that big. This procedure may seem bizarre, but it saved me a lot of frustration trying to remove those rivets with a hand drill. I now have a perfect job. I'm riveting the spars back on next weekend. Joe in Oshkosh ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:06 PM PST US From: Robert Taylor Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Alieron Gussets Thanks Floyd=2C This was the file I remeber=2Cbut I didn't save it. No gussets that I can find in my kit.Not much effort to make. Rob Taylor 601XL Melbourne Australia. From: ashleyw@gvtc.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Alieron Gussets Rob Check your kit again=2C they were included in mine. But to answer your question file attached. Floyd Wilkes 601XL From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Taylor Sent: Saturday=2C February 13=2C 2010 1:50 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Alieron Gussets Can anyone help direct me to drawings for Alieron Gussets 65W2-5 and 65W2-6 ? I am doing the mods on the left wing and the gussets weren't supplied in th e mod kit. I seem to recall seeing the drawings for these gussets some tim e ago=2C being a modification to the alierons. If I can get the size and thickness of these gussets I'll make them. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Rob Taylor 601 XL Find your next place with Ninemsn pro='_new'>Looking for a place to rent =2C share or buy? http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-Listhttp://fo rums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area! Browse profiles for FREE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:56 PM PST US From: Robert Taylor Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Alieron Gussets Thanks Bill and Peter Rob. From: bill.pagan@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Alieron Gussets Hey Rob=2C The gussets are shown on drawing 6-ZU-4 They are in the upgrade kit and on the inventory sheet I received Bill Pagan From: Robert Taylor Sent: Sat=2C February 13=2C 2010 2:50:11 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Alieron Gussets Can anyone help direct me to drawings for Alieron Gussets 65W2-5 and 65W2-6 ? I am doing the mods on the left wing and the gussets weren't supplied in th e mod kit. I seem to recall seeing the drawings for these gussets some tim e ago=2C being a modification to the alierons. If I can get the size and thickness of these gussets I'll make them. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Rob Taylor 601 XL Find your next place with Ninemsn pro='_new'>Looking for a place to rent =2C share or buy? _________________________________________________________________ If it exists=2C you'll find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:57 PM PST US From: Robert Taylor Subject: Zenith-List: Centre Wing Spar I have dismantled my centre wing spar to do the mods. The spar was supplied complete from Zenith in my slow build kit. The hole sizes in 6W4-3 spar caps=2C which the 6 AN4 bolts go through=2Care not 1/4". There 9/32".All 6 holes are the same any one else with this prob lem? Rob Taylor 601XL. _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a place to rent=2C share or buy? Find your next place with nine msn Property ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:25 PM PST US From: John Smith Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Upgrade kit and Solid Rivets William,=0A=0ADo you have any picture of the jig and rivet die you are usin g?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: William Dominguez =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, February 13, 2010 8:24:29 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Upgrade kit and Solid Rive ts=0A=0A=0ARivet squeezer and gun/bucking-bar are not the only way to dri ve solid rivets to the spar. I'm using an harbor press, it works well and i s the cheaper method. I created a jig that holds the spar in the right posi tion and angle in relation to the harbor press.-=0A=0AWilliam-Dominguez =0AZodiac 601XL Plans=0AMiami, Florida=0Ahttp://sites.google.com/site/billp lane/=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: lwhitlow =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, February 12, 2010 2:17:13 PM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Upgrade kit and Solid Rivets=0A=0A--> Z enith-List message posted by: "lwhitlow" =0A=0ASo I' ve got the upgrade kit on hand. I've removed the solid rivets from the cent er section and the left wing and I've removed the angle on the top of the w ing spar.=0A=0ASoon I'm gonna have to put it all back together and I need s ome advice.=0A=0AThere's no one around that has a rivet gun and I've never bucked rivet one, so I'm in the position of having to buy the tools anyway =0A=0AI'm actually leaning toward a rivet squeezer instead of a gun/bucking bar.=0A=0Ait seems like the learning curve is way smaller with a squeezer than a gun, and since I'm teaching myself on my spars I'd like to just get it right the first time=0A=0AThe squeezer shown is a Atlantic Aircraft Tool s Tandem Alligator 3" Deep Rivet Squeezer 1/4" Rivet Set Dies- Its a tand em cylinder unit which means it has enough oomph to squeeze the spar rivets and the jaws have enough room to reach around the angles at the top of the spar=0A=0Aused its about $300=0A=0AComments ??? Concerns???=0A=0ALarry=0A =0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/v iewtopic.php?p=286180#286180=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0Ahttp://foru ms.matronics.co; - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, Lis=0A=0A=0A =======================0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.